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Old 19.08.2011, 00:47
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Re: smoking in public areas

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Most women I know who smoke do so to keep slim - especially teenagers.
Sure. Smokers poison themselves and get less healthy. That looking not-so-healthy is fashionable is another discussion.
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I doubt a couple of wafts of smoke outside a cafe on a sunny Sunday afternoon are going to make much difference to anyone's health, unless he has a serious lung problem already.
But we're not talking about something only once a year. Smoking is everywhere there. Besides, the headache it gives me feels like a health issue.

Edit: Not that I think everyone isn't already aware.. but just as a reminder: http://www.cancer.org/Cancer/CancerC...condhand-smoke
"The sidestream smoke has higher concentrations of cancer-causing agents (carcinogens) than the mainstream smoke. And, it contains smaller particles than mainstream smoke, which make their way into the body's cells more easily."
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"Local, state, and federal authorities can enact public policies to protect people from secondhand smoke and protect children from tobacco-caused diseases and addiction. Because there are no safe levels of secondhand smoke, it is important that any such policies be as strong as possible, and that they do not prevent action at other levels of government."

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The outdoors is very big, you know.

Most of it is quite a long way away from the nearest smoker...
It always astonishes me how far the stank of cigarettes reaches.

Recently, I was walking to work across a nearly deserted park. Suddenly I got a waft of cigarette smoke and when I looked around to see where the smell was coming from I saw that the only other person in the park was about 300m away . Also, in the past I've got a lungful from a passing car (on the other side of the road) and if a smoker walks into the room just after a smoking sesh, you can definitely smell it on them.

Maybe I've just got a fantastic sense of smell, but I think it's just that the smell of cigarettes is STRONG! So when you say "just move away", it's easier said than done, particularly in CH where it seems like every 2nd person is smoking
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Re: smoking in public areas

I blame it on all those smokers in Turkey and Greece. It fair wafts up north and west and covers Switzerland. I can smell the stink of it together with pompous rightousness from here.



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It always astonishes me how far the stank of cigarettes reaches.

Recently, I was walking to work across a nearly deserted park. Suddenly I got a waft of cigarette smoke and when I looked around to see where the smell was coming from I saw that the only other person in the park was about 300m away . Also, in the past I've got a lungful from a passing car (on the other side of the road) and if a smoker walks into the room just after a smoking sesh, you can definitely smell it on them.

Maybe I've just got a fantastic sense of smell, but I think it's just that the smell of cigarettes is STRONG! So when you say "just move away", it's easier said than done, particularly in CH where it seems like every 2nd person is smoking
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Re: smoking in public areas

I think the reason why it's so much more annoying in Switzerland than in the U.K. for example, is that there really isn't any wind here and so the smoke stays in one place for much longer.

The prevailing winds are very light and other dominant winds such as the Foehn are rare. Additionally there is no coast so no afternoon breezes either.

All this means the smoke lingers and is annoying for some non-smokers and really unpleasant for those most affected by it including pregnant women and those who would like to enjoy their food to the full.
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I think the reason why it's so much more annoying in Switzerland than in the U.K. for example, is that there really isn't any wind here and so the smoke stays in one place for much longer.

The prevailing winds are very light and other dominant winds such as the Foehn are rare. Additionally there is no coast so no afternoon breezes either.

All this means the smoke lingers and is annoying for some non-smokers and really unpleasant for those most affected by it including pregnant women and those who would like to enjoy their food to the full.
I really don't know about that. Here in Barcelona, people smoke a lot but it doesn't disturb as much as in CH, go figure....

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Not in Switzerland...they have no idea how to queue.
True. OK, people tend to cluster in aggressive groups each trying to be first to the ski lift/train/till....
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Old 19.08.2011, 10:33
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I think the reason why it's so much more annoying in Switzerland than in the U.K. for example, is that there really isn't any wind here and so the smoke stays in one place for much longer.

The prevailing winds are very light and other dominant winds such as the Foehn are rare. Additionally there is no coast so no afternoon breezes either.

All this means the smoke lingers and is annoying for some non-smokers and really unpleasant for those most affected by it including pregnant women and those who would like to enjoy their food to the full.
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I really don't know about that. Here in Barcelona, people smoke a lot but it doesn't disturb as much as in CH, go figure....

Have another read of my post. Then have a look at a map of Spain, and, in particular where Barcelona is and how close it is to the sea.
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Old 19.08.2011, 10:44
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Have another read of my post. Then have a look at a map of Spain, and, in particular where Barcelona is and how close it is to the sea.
And? Do you really think it change something when you sit on a terrasse? When you pass the door of a building?

Believe me, breeze is something greatly missing right now and it doesn't make it more smoky! It has a lot to do with attitude and behavior of the smokers me think.

Breeze....
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Re: smoking in public areas

I hate to say it, but thread after thread like this just makes me sympathize with smokers. Indoor smoking bans are awesome and I think we should all be glad. We won. But some non-smokers really seem too eager to kick smokers while they're down and ban it everywhere. Some courtesy is expected in crowded places like bus stops, but I have no problem with smokers having a cig on terrasses or in parks. You know, outside. Going after these people just seems counter-productive considering how marginalized they are already.

Now that the indoor ban is in place, you've got the comedy gold of blow-hards grasping at straws to tell you their last horror story encounter with smoking. You're not a rape victim, you just had a temporary whif of smoke, HTFU.

Victim: "So I was sitting at a café. The weather was beautiful. Then this man, 3 meters away....... I'm sorry."
Interviewer: "Take your time."
Victim: "He lit a cigarette and every once in a while the wind would... *sob*"
Interviewer: "Would you like some water?"
Victim: "Yes, please.... so the wind blew the smoke towards me and... his smoke temporarily penetrated my nostrils!!! *cue uncontrollable crying*"
Interviewer: "I've heard of some vile acts in my time, but this... We're going to get the bastard, I promise."
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I hate to say it, but thread after thread like this just makes me sympathize with smokers. Indoor smoking bans are awesome and I think we should all be glad. We won. But some non-smokers really seem too eager to kick smokers while they're down and ban it everywhere. Some courtesy is expected in crowded places like bus stops, but I have no problem with smokers having a cig on terrasses or in parks. You know, outside. Going after these people just seems counter-productive considering how marginalized they are already.

Now that the indoor ban is in place, you've got the comedy gold of blow-hards grasping at straws to tell you their last horror story encounter with smoking. You're not a rape victim, you just had a temporary whif of smoke, HTFU.

Victim: "So I was sitting at a café. The weather was beautiful. Then this man, 3 meters away....... I'm sorry."
Interviewer: "Take your time."
Victim: "He lit a cigarette and every once in a while the wind would... *sob*"
Interviewer: "Would you like some water?"
Victim: "Yes, please.... so the wind blew the smoke towards me and... his smoke temporarily penetrated my nostrils!!! *cue uncontrollable crying*"
Interviewer: "I've heard of some vile acts in my time, but this... We're going to get the bastard, I promise."
First, the interview thing is hilarious,

Second, yes you are right. Smokers should be allowed to smoke. But while the majority may be nice and considerate, it still too many who will go in the parc and sit to smoke next to a playground. Still too many who will light up next to kids and pregnant women in a tram or bus stop or on a terrasse.

And still too many jerks who will tell you to F*uck off when you ask them nicely if they could smoke away of the kids, etc.

That is why people don't leave smokers alone.
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And still too many jerks who will tell you to F*uck off when you ask them nicely if they could smoke away of the kids, etc.

That is why people don't leave smokers alone.
First of all, there are non-smoking jerks too you know.
Just sayin.

As a smoker, I think I am considerate enough of people around me when I smoke.
I don't smoke around kids/babies, pregnant women, older folk, or someone with problems with smoke. And if someone asks me to, I move.

But if someone shoves up attitude in my face telling me that I am the scum of the earth, they are just asking to be told to feck the h3ll off !

All things said and done, I agree its a vice.
But its a vice that some of us tend to enjoy. Everyone has one vice or the other, this is ours.

So, non-smokers, kindly take your propaganda somewhere else.
We try to be nice and considerate to everyone all the while enjoying what little time we have on this planet.
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Smokers feel the same. They just have no options BUT the outdoors, and now the non-smokers want that too?
I wasn't asking for it to be banned outdoors too.

I just think that it should be possible to have a non smoking area and a smoking area outside a café or restaurant so that those of us who don't smoke (and don't really like the smell of it) could sit outside and enjoy the nice weather too.
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Second, yes you are right. Smokers should be allowed to smoke. But while the majority may be nice and considerate, it still too many who will go in the parc and sit to smoke next to a playground. Still too many who will light up next to kids and pregnant women in a tram or bus stop or on a terrasse.
And most of them are the parents themselves. If the parents are comfortable smoking next to their baby in the pram, chances are so is everyone else. I still gasp every time I picture the woman with a cig in her hand while feeding her infant, which is the extreme end, but it's not uncommon to see parents, often both parents, smoking around their young children.

But, as a few have mentioned, for many it's not the consideration or lack thereof. Back in the states, I would occasionally have a smoke on the back deck of my house, the only place I felt I could smoke anymore really, and I'd still get my neighbor a few hundred yards away making coughing noises...though he was a well known crank around town.

So...no matter how considerate you are, you're always going to find the one person who will be offended.
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That is why people don't leave smokers alone.
Definitely, and they're right to continue. The situation got as bad as it did because non-smokers didn't dare stand up for themselves. I just think there's a very clear line in how the proximity/behavior of a smoker can get to become an annoyance. With smoking allowed inside, it used to be downright unbearable on a regular basis (who doesn't love having to wash their clothes every time you go to a pub). Now, with the indoor bans, it has become a pretty exceptional occurance for that line to be crossed. Yet some people are acting like it's as bad as it's ever been.

So don't get me wrong, I'm not saying everything has become A-ok. I'm just getting a "mad with power" vibe with many non-smokers who finally feel that the law is on their side. They're taking it to ridiculous proportions. The bullied have become the bullies.
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It always astonishes me how far the stank of cigarettes reaches.

Recently, I was walking to work across a nearly deserted park. Suddenly I got a waft of cigarette smoke and when I looked around to see where the smell was coming from I saw that the only other person in the park was about 300m away . Also, in the past I've got a lungful from a passing car (on the other side of the road) and if a smoker walks into the room just after a smoking sesh, you can definitely smell it on them.

Maybe I've just got a fantastic sense of smell, but I think it's just that the smell of cigarettes is STRONG! So when you say "just move away", it's easier said than done, particularly in CH where it seems like every 2nd person is smoking
So you want a 300m exlusion zone around smokers and smoking in cars to be banned too?
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First of all, there are non-smoking jerks too you know.
Just sayin.

As a smoker, I think I am considerate enough of people around me when I smoke.
I don't smoke around kids/babies, pregnant women, older folk, or someone with problems with smoke. And if someone asks me to, I move.

But if someone shoves up attitude in my face telling me that I am the scum of the earth, they are just asking to be told to feck the h3ll off !

All things said and done, I agree its a vice.
But its a vice that some of us tend to enjoy. Everyone has one vice or the other, this is ours.

So, non-smokers, kindly take your propaganda somewhere else.
We try to be nice and considerate to everyone all the while enjoying what little time we have on this planet.
Yep! Jerks are coming in all size, form, color and religion.

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I wasn't asking for it to be banned outdoors too.

I just think that it should be possible to have a non smoking area and a smoking area outside a café or restaurant so that those of us who don't smoke (and don't really like the smell of it) could sit outside and enjoy the nice weather too.
The problem will be the same. At the moment you'll have a breeze or wind, the non-smoking section will be invaded too. Ther tried it this way in Canada and it didn't work, so they banned the smoke on terrasse completely.

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And most of them are the parents themselves. If the parents are comfortable smoking next to their baby in the pram, chances are so is everyone else. I still gasp every time I picture the woman with a cig in her hand while feeding her infant, which is the extreme end, but it's not uncommon to see parents, often both parents, smoking around their young children.

But, as a few have mentioned, for many it's not the consideration or lack thereof. Back in the states, I would occasionally have a smoke on the back deck of my house, the only place I felt I could smoke anymore really, and I'd still get my neighbor a few hundred yards away making coughing noises...though he was a well known crank around town.

So...no matter how considerate you are, you're always going to find the one person who will be offended.
I have a big problem with parents smoking next to their kids.
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I hate it when they do it for instance at the tram stop. They don't care if there are children in the nearby. What we usually do is drop a "Es stinkt nach Rauch (it smells like smoke)" line loud enough in our conversation. Some people notice it and put off the cigarette, while others will blatantly ignore the comment.
Why drop a hint? Just carry a squirt bottle or a water pistol.
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The good thing is that it seems like stress will kill you faster than smoking, second hand stress is just as deadly as second hand smoke and for every smoker there are 5 angry stressed out ex-smokers.
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"O GOD, O Venus, O Mercury, patron of thieves,
Give me in due time, I beseech you, a little tobacco-shop,
With the little bright boxes piled up neatly upon the shelves . . .
. . . And the whores dropping in for a word or two in passing,
For a flip word, and to tidy their hair a bit.
O God, O Venus, O Mercury, patron of thieves,
Lend me a little tobacco-shop,
or install me in any profession
Save this damn'd profession of writing,
where one needs one's brains all the time."

That's obviously a dream that should never die. If people have to live with some second hand smoke, so be it...

You can smoke inside in Graubunden, I think?

Incidentally, someone said that it's not allowed in the UK to smoke near food or in covered areas. That is not true. The law is that it is illegal to smoke in any covered are of which the perimeter is more than 50% enclosed by walls.
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