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st2lemans 25.08.2011 10:47

Re: why live in switzerland?
 
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Originally Posted by greenmount (Post 1314253)
At least not hanging around with people whom, backhome for instance, you wouldn't even consider having more than social small talk with. :D
What would you consider a proper social life? :confused:

I have never hung around with people here that I wouldn't do anywhere else on the planet, so I really don't understand what you are trying to say.

Tom

Guest 25.08.2011 12:32

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Originally Posted by cog (Post 1313743)
wow. sounds like foreigners are just there for the money. :confused:

Well we sure arent here for the Mexican Food, Air-Conditioning, or Beaches...!

But views are stunning, the roads work well, and youre within a 3 hour drive of atleast 4 to 5 other countries most of the time, which makes vacations easy.

Money is the only reason anyone lives in a city (and thats anywhere in the world). Its been proven time and time again that cities are horrible places to raise kids, lower your quality of life, and increases stress levels due to relentless congested commuting.

So why work in a city? Well thats where the money is unfortunately. And its not just the foreigners who are here for it.

st2lemans 25.08.2011 13:54

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Originally Posted by Zuger (Post 1314382)
Well we sure arent here for the Mexican Food, Air-Conditioning, or Beaches...!

You would be if you lived in Ticino!

I make great Mexican (grow my own chiles, though this year has been pretty bad), both our cars and my work have AC, and plenty of nice beaches around.

I sure as hell don't live in the city! Can often see cows grazing outside my office windows (I have a corner office), as well as Monte Tamaro and my garden.

And I currently reek of petrol, as I spent my lunch break screwing around with Armageddon's fuel tank. Damned stripped coupling threads, fix one tap, and the other starts dumping fuel all over the parking lot!

Tom

cog 25.08.2011 15:50

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Originally Posted by Federica (Post 1314204)
Interesting what you say :rofl:

I am not particularly hot, just an average-looking girl on the curvy side of life, but I like to listen to people's stories/share mine and I smile a lot, so maybe that's it...definitely I am not shy:o

Good luck to the OP with his/her decision!

maybe it helps to be hot, good looking and outgoing too! hahaha! :rofl:

cog 25.08.2011 15:55

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Originally Posted by st2lemans (Post 1314469)
You would be if you lived in Ticino!

I make great Mexican (grow my own chiles, though this year has been pretty bad), both our cars and my work have AC, and plenty of nice beaches around.

I sure as hell don't live in the city! Can often see cows grazing outside my office windows (I have a corner office), as well as Monte Tamaro and my garden.

hey tom! that sounds nice. so you can grow chiles there. so might be able to grow nice herbs too. and what do you do to smell like petrol!? :msnshock:

Marz 25.08.2011 16:09

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I completely agree. I came here when I was 27 and I often think that it was too early and that I could have been in more lively and exciting places at that age. At 26 I was in London and I have to say I had the best time in my life there.

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Originally Posted by miniMia (Post 1312563)
As much as I love Switzerland, to be honest, if I were 26 and single, Switzerland would be the last place I'd be looking at. Not to mention the fact that the types of jobs you are looking for are not that abundant in Switzerland.

Despite Dougal's protests, I think Canada is a really good bet.


cog 25.08.2011 16:14

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Originally Posted by Marz (Post 1314649)
I completely agree. I came here when I was 27 and I often think that it was too early and that I could have been in more lively and exciting places at that age. At 26 I was in London and I have to say I had the best time in my life there.

maybe the best if i keep options open? if i find something in switzerland, i go. if it's somewhere else in europe, i take it anyway. hmmmmmm?

....but i so want to see/live in that country! wahhhh!:eek:

Guest 25.08.2011 16:22

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Originally Posted by cog (Post 1314656)
maybe the best if i keep options open? if i find something in switzerland, i go. if it's somewhere else in europe, i take it anyway. hmmmmmm?

....but i so want to see/live in that country! wahhhh!:eek:

Then come here and give it a try. But since your Filipino you might want to take a stab at San Francisco/Daly City which has a huge Tegalic community and is the biggest tech hub in the world.

st2lemans 25.08.2011 16:26

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Originally Posted by cog (Post 1314637)
what do you do to smell like petrol!?

Was working on a friends motorcycle during lunch in my garage, and the taps were leaking.

Tom

cog 25.08.2011 16:30

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Originally Posted by Zuger (Post 1314669)
Then come here and give it a try. But since your Filipino you might want to take a stab at San Francisco/Daly City which has a huge Tegalic community and is the biggest tech hub in the world.

there will be filipinos wherever you go. that is for sure!

cog 25.08.2011 16:30

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Originally Posted by st2lemans (Post 1314670)
Was working on a friends motorcycle during lunch in my garage, and the taps were leaking.

Tom

tom, how is ticino?

st2lemans 25.08.2011 16:32

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Originally Posted by cog (Post 1314676)
tom, how is ticino?

Better weather, better food, better language.

Tom

cog 25.08.2011 16:36

Re: why live in switzerland?
 
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Originally Posted by st2lemans (Post 1314681)
Better weather, better food, better language.

Tom

warmer weather? italian food? italian language do they speak french there?
and in terms of job opportunities, is it better there?

Guest 25.08.2011 16:43

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it's a great country to live in. Everything is so organised, though painful to settle down initially with all the unwritten social rules. I guess if your area is quite international, it should not be of major problem. 2 months into our move, my wife broke into tears wanting to leave .. with neighbour complaining about our baby crying, police "invited" us to the station as wed used the wrong garbage bag, neighbour complaining about our foot steps (strange, she lived upstairs and we never use shoes indoor), lost our apartment key and the risk of having to pay more than a thousand CHF for replacement, and finally getting a nice colour-printed notice (with pictures and texts) stuck outside our door telling us what we can and cannot throw into the "compost" bin.

Though things have changed to certain extent, it's still in my point of the view one of the safest places to live.

But, I miss the more colourful and unpredictable life in Malaysia ...


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Originally Posted by cog (Post 1312235)
hi!
i've been stalking the forum for sometime now and i've been searching for jobs in switzerland for a few months. i just noticed that it's not very easy to get in switzerland and get settled.

but my question is (especially to those who lived there for a long time) is life there worth the difficulty to get into switzerland?
or should i look in other places in europe?

i'm head graphic designer of a marketing communications agency.
i just want to live where it's safe, organized and close to nature. i'm single 26 years old.

please share your thoughts, experiences and daily life. i'm aching for a new country and i'm very ready for change. i'm currently in haiti.


cog 25.08.2011 16:50

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Originally Posted by shreky (Post 1314706)
it's a great country to live in. Everything is so organised, though painful to settle down initially with all the unwritten social rules. I guess if your area is quite international, it should not be of major problem. 2 months into our move, my wife broke into tears wanting to leave .. with neighbour complaining about our baby crying, police "invited" us to the station as wed used the wrong garbage bag, neighbour complaining about our foot steps (strange, she lived upstairs and we never use shoes indoor), lost our apartment key and the risk of having to pay more than a thousand CHF for replacement, and finally getting a nice colour-printed notice (with pictures and texts) stuck outside our door telling us what we can and cannot throw into the "compost" bin.

Though things have changed to certain extent, it's still in my point of the view one of the safest places to live.

But, I miss the more colourful and unpredictable life in Malaysia ...


so you're from malaysia? how is it for asians living there? i'm originally from the philippines but have been living in haiti for 4 years now... same here, there are a LOT of unwritten and unspoken rules in haiti. even the official laws seem to be unspoken! haha! i just actually like an organized life.

26.08.2011 02:02

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Originally Posted by st2lemans (Post 1314681)
Better weather, better food, better language.

Tom

All that, and fewer high paid jobs ;)

simon_ch 26.08.2011 08:48

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Originally Posted by OSueco (Post 1314107)
of course nobody likes to hear criticism, but it's how you express it that is the main difference...

Fixed that for you.. pretty universal by the way, it's all about the tone and choice of words.

st2lemans 26.08.2011 09:06

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Originally Posted by Salsa_Lover (Post 1315237)
All that, and fewer high paid jobs ;)

As long as I have one, what difference does it make?

Tom

darwiniandemon 26.08.2011 09:20

Re: why live in switzerland?
 
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Originally Posted by cog (Post 1314715)
how is it for asians living there?

As a Taiwanese, no problems whatsoever. Just annoying when I meet strangers they always use English with me right away, even when I can speak German. That's a general complaint and not really a problem.

Otherwise, I find the Swiss are generally receptive of Asians in the cities.

Guest 26.08.2011 09:44

Re: why live in switzerland?
 
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Originally Posted by darwiniandemon (Post 1315334)
Otherwise, I find the Swiss are generally receptive of Asians in the cities.

True. Judging by the number of kebab houses, there is clearly quite a large Asian community living here.

Fawad 26.08.2011 09:45

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I have lived all over USA for the past 11 years before moving to Switzerland. It was mainly due to my wife wanting to live somewhere in EU since she is from here. If I had the option to choose between Switzerland and US, I would definitely go back to USA. I could get a house like a mansion, a nice car or two and great paying job with 40 hrs (40 hours means 40 hours there) in many great states like Texas, Arizona, Colorado, MI, FL, CA and VA etc.

AhYesBut 26.08.2011 09:48

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I don't accept your premise. I like many others, love city life: the buzz, being at the centre of anything new, the facilities, the culture, the variety, the opportunities. The fun.

That's not to say life as a carrot-cruncher doesn't have its attractions, but living in the boonies is duller than a swiss Apero for many people.

AYB

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Originally Posted by Zuger (Post 1314382)
Money is the only reason anyone lives in a city (and thats anywhere in the world). Its been proven time and time again that cities are horrible places to raise kids, lower your quality of life, and increases stress levels due to relentless congested commuting.

So why work in a city? Well thats where the money is unfortunately. And its not just the foreigners who are here for it.


st2lemans 26.08.2011 09:53

Re: why live in switzerland?
 
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Originally Posted by AhYesBut (Post 1315364)
I like many others, love city life

And I, like many others, have always loathed city life.

I used to live 30 minutes from NYC, went there perhaps 6 times in my life. Probably have been to Milano about the same number of times.

Tom

Wakey 26.08.2011 10:22

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Originally Posted by mimi1981 (Post 1312582)
I was 24 and single when I moved over and I loved every minute. Only now, 5 and a half years later, am I growing somewhat tired of it and miss my home.

(...)

Saying that, we have just signed a new lease on a place that keeps us here for at least a few more years so we're obviously not that fed up yet

Really, I could have written this! Except for the fact that I do not have kids (yet). In the beginning, everything was new and fun, I worked in an international company, made lots of new friends as well as a lot of money :D, got a boyfriend (also a foreigner) and everything was great.

Gradually, most of my friends left the country again, my bf changed jobs within Switzerland and we had to move twice. I am now working in a Swiss company, there are about 40 Swiss, 2 Germans and me - the only non-native German speaker.

6 months ago we moved into our new apartment, its really nice and I just love being there, but the longer I am in Switzerland, the more I realize that I do not feel at home here. I like to think that we have integrated well, speaking the local language, good contact with neighbours and even some Swiss friends, but in general I miss humour, sponteanity, fun, creativity, inspirational people and just being myself. Sometimes I feel like I am in a golden cage.

However it will probably be max. 1-2 years before my partner is being sent abroad by his employer, so I am just looking forward to that and in the mean time we try to enjoy the good things about Switzerland, and travel a lot.

All in all I think Switzerland can be nice if you have the right character, otherwise you have to rely on the international (expat) community + travel out to the real world every now and again. If you get the opportunity to come here, I would take it, but I would not move heaven and earth to live in Switzerland.

danielleAbear 26.08.2011 10:31

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I don't mind all the "difficulty" that is associated with living in Switzerland because I feel it serves a purpose & it does make your life better. The systems in place are not meant to be cheated & I am to proud to live in a country that expects more out of it's citizens/residents.

DavidWilliams 26.08.2011 10:46

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I have lived in switzerland ten years back..then i went back to canada(vancouver) where i grew up as a child.in my view has lost its charm for me and the lifestyle i think has deteriorated.canadian cities have swiss expenses but not swiss expenses.distances to say get out of town on a weekend can be tremendous.traveling from vancouver say to mexico is usually much higher than traveling from calgary or toronto...i guess it depends what your looking for...in my eyes..switzerland has so much to offer ..i have a four year old and the close proximity to her school and the safety here is comforting to me...in vancouver.you don't lose site of your children..hey..vancouver is a nice city..but to me it has lost its charm..many people migrate to canada thinking it is the promise land...well..it has some good qualities..but lots of negative....i will give you a place that i think is one of the best places..that is whitehorse in the yukon....great nature,small place,good salaries,but one big problem-affordable housing or available housing. I am happy to here..to me canada has loss alot of what once made me proud...thanks for letting me vent..

DavidWilliams 26.08.2011 10:49

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Sorry, i was in a hurry...didn't proofread...sorry for mistakes...no i am not in grade six...ha ha

dawiz 26.08.2011 10:53

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Originally Posted by Fawad (Post 1315359)
I have lived all over USA for the past 11 years before moving to Switzerland. It was mainly due to my wife wanting to live somewhere in EU since she is from here. If I had the option to choose between Switzerland and US, I would definitely go back to USA. I could get a house like a mansion, a nice car or two and great paying job with 40 hrs (40 hours means 40 hours there) in many great states like Texas, Arizona, Colorado, MI, FL, CA and VA etc.

I've only lived in Minnesota - but largely agree with your assessment. The work hours here suck (42-hour week on paper, 50-hour week in reality). Everything is insanely expensive.

However, what keeps me from moving back to the States for the foreseeable future:

- health-care sucks (with world-class facilities being present but only the filthy reach being able to afford them)
- high unemployment, with close to no benefits
- arbitrary legal system
- a political climate that's in such a shambles, it's hard to bear

Peter

Xlator 26.08.2011 11:25

Re: why live in switzerland?
 
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Originally Posted by dawiz (Post 1315505)
- health-care sucks (with world-class facilities being present but only the filthy reach being able to afford them)

Although I agree with dawiz about most of those things after having lived most of my life in the US, I have to disagree there. My son had major surgery at one of those world-class facilities - and neither we nor the many fellow patients we got to know while it was happening were anywhere near rich.

But mostly I see the advantages of living in Switzerland.

st2lemans 26.08.2011 11:35

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Originally Posted by dawiz (Post 1315505)
The work hours here suck (42-hour week on paper, 50-hour week in reality).

Strange, in 25 years I've almost never worked longer than a 42h week.

Tom

dawiz 26.08.2011 11:41

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Originally Posted by Xlator (Post 1315578)
Although I agree with dawiz about most of those things after having lived most of my life in the US, I have to disagree there. My son had major surgery at one of those world-class facilities - and neither we nor the many fellow patients we got to know while it was happening were anywhere near rich.

then you were among the roughly 85% of people who have access to health-insurance. For the rest, things look grim.

HollidayG 26.08.2011 11:47

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Originally Posted by Xlator (Post 1315578)
Although I agree with dawiz about most of those things after having lived most of my life in the US, I have to disagree there. My son had major surgery at one of those world-class facilities - and neither we nor the many fellow patients we got to know while it was happening were anywhere near rich.

But mostly I see the advantages of living in Switzerland.

I received great healthcare in the US than here, and my
insurance costs were about the same.

DavidWilliams 26.08.2011 11:52

Re: why live in switzerland?
 
Don't believe the canadian healthcare system is better than the states....big waits for sugery in canada...closing down hospitals....e.c.t.....got to go..have a great weekend everyone...don't hurt yourself..play safe

dawiz 26.08.2011 11:54

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Originally Posted by HollidayG (Post 1315615)
I received great healthcare in the US than here, and my
insurance costs were about the same.

I was mainly talking about the relative large number of people who still don't have health-insurance. Those who dropped out when they retired, got sick, got fired etc. With medicare, access to top-notch facilities isn't always possible. Also, you only get 80% of your costs covered by medicare - for the rest, you either need a supplement plan (which you don't get if you were sick at the time you entered into medicare) or you have to pay for that out of your own pocket.

Fawad 26.08.2011 12:33

Re: why live in switzerland?
 
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Originally Posted by dawiz (Post 1315505)
However, what keeps me from moving back to the States for the foreseeable future:

- health-care sucks (with world-class facilities being present but only the filthy reach being able to afford them)
- high unemployment, with close to no benefits
- arbitrary legal system
- a political climate that's in such a shambles, it's hard to bear

Peter

I agree to most of the points above. However, I believe that you have to be highly qualified and be in a good profession to get a decent job in Switzerland or in USA. Yes, the political climate is seriously in shambles.

Rodica's children 26.08.2011 12:37

Re: why live in switzerland?
 
I moved here from the UK for the salary and the sensible attitude to firearms. I make no apologies.

Guest 26.08.2011 12:40

Re: why live in switzerland?
 
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Originally Posted by dawiz (Post 1315505)

- health-care sucks (with world-class facilities being present but only the filthy reach being able to afford them)

Last time I came back from DRC I had a severe strain of E.Coli..... The Swiss hospitals all begged me to return to the States because they had no clue what I had.

After two weeks of agony I flew to the US. Was diagnosed in less than 24 hrs and was better in 3 days. My Swiss bill was CHF3,700. My US Bill was $250......

So I dont think the Swiss system is good nor cheap.

Wakey 26.08.2011 13:19

Re: why live in switzerland?
 
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Originally Posted by Rodica's children (Post 1315697)
I moved here from the UK for the salary and the sensible attitude to firearms. I make no apologies.

I am pretty sure that most foreigners are here for the money and some other practicalities (healthcare, cleanliness, scenery, central location, firearms...) . Most dont seem to live in Switzerland because they actually like the country or its people...

(probably going to get groaned at for this, but this is my observation).

EarME 26.08.2011 13:33

Re: why live in switzerland?
 
Not directed at any individual but all thiese moans and groans makes it sound like some people hate life. The good news that there is a clinic here in CH that can help you, well not help you just end you.

Quax 26.08.2011 13:48

Re: why live in switzerland?
 
Different reasons for everyone.... To me, like others, sensible place to work, opportunity to earn a decent living, to try my 8th country in 10 years, and something else for a change. I would never consider living here permanently (or at least not until I am 75 or 80 and I have a few years to go until then) as I find it lacks cultural diversity and integration, fun, and humour that multiple Anglo-Saxon and Asian countries have (and yes, if I get groaned for saying this, it is fine). I can write a very long list of reasons why I keep going back to London, Chicago, New York, Hong Kong, Singapore, Shanghai, St. Petersburg, but it is probably already clear based on this post. It is what it is. Has good sides, bad sides, as with all countries, easiest thing - take it for what it is and try to understand it. After all, many of us are only visitors here...


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