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cog 23.08.2011 19:17

why live in switzerland?
 
hi!
i've been stalking the forum for sometime now and i've been searching for jobs in switzerland for a few months. i just noticed that it's not very easy to get in switzerland and get settled.

but my question is (especially to those who lived there for a long time) is life there worth the difficulty to get into switzerland?
or should i look in other places in europe?

i'm head graphic designer of a marketing communications agency.
i just want to live where it's safe, organized and close to nature. i'm single 26 years old.

please share your thoughts, experiences and daily life. i'm aching for a new country and i'm very ready for change. i'm currently in haiti.

23.08.2011 19:20

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Originally Posted by cog (Post 1312235)
i'm currently in haiti.

it's better than Haiti.

cog 23.08.2011 19:23

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Originally Posted by economisto (Post 1312237)
it's better than Haiti.

i'm living a very good life here though, enjoying. i just want a new country to live in.

but true. anything else is better than haiti.

grumpygrapefruit 23.08.2011 19:24

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Originally Posted by economisto (Post 1312237)
it's better than Haiti.

But I've heard they do at least have brown sugar in Haiti. But, most importantly, could I live comfortably in Haiti on 155,000.00 Haitian Gourde?

kevlegs 23.08.2011 19:26

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Originally Posted by grumpygrapefruit (Post 1312243)
But I've heard they do at least have brown sugar in Haiti. But, most importantly, could I live comfortably in Haiti on 155,000.00 Haitian Gourde?

Is that for just you?

darwiniandemon 23.08.2011 19:56

Re: why live in switzerland?
 
Why switzerland specifically? US & Canada are in the neighborhood and are also good places to work and live.

North America and UK are the places to be for marketing.

Guest 23.08.2011 20:05

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Originally Posted by grumpygrapefruit (Post 1312243)
But, most importantly, could I live comfortably in Haiti on 155,000.00 Haitian Gourde?

Is that per week or per month? :msnshock:

IronAngle 23.08.2011 20:10

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i just want to live where it's safe, organized and close to nature.
^that's why!

darwiniandemon 23.08.2011 20:33

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Originally Posted by IronAngle (Post 1312283)
^that's why!

Canada's got all that plus a lot more nature!

I grew up in Canada and I would say that CH and CA are are both great places to live and work. I was just curious why the op is targeting switzerland specifically. Canada's immigration policy is definitely easier than Switzerland's.
A safe, organized, and close to nature environment isn't going to cut it if there is no income. I would say his marketing skills are probably more valuable in securing something in CA than CH.

23.08.2011 20:35

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Originally Posted by darwiniandemon (Post 1312294)
Canada's got all that plus a lot more nature!

Bollocks. Canada's massive but it's "so what" massive. If you live in Toronto getting to Vancouver's going to take you about a day, all-in. You can get to Kyrgyzstan in about a day from Zurich. There's LOADS of nature there.

Guest 23.08.2011 20:58

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Canada? A vast, cultureless desert of snow and tundra, famous only for third rate doughnuts, melted cheese on chips and the folly of permitting the continued existence of a colony of Frenchmen in their midst, compared with a venerable and comfortable republic in the heart of the most civilised continent on Earth, where one can eat a sausage at the top of every mountain, ride a boat across every lake and live on chocolate for breakfast, lunch and dinner?

I'd choose - did choose - Switzerland.

In fact, I dislike Canada so much, I haven't even been there.

Adrianne 23.08.2011 20:58

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Originally Posted by cog (Post 1312235)
hi!
i've been stalking the forum for sometime now and i've been searching for jobs in switzerland for a few months. i just noticed that it's not very easy to get in switzerland and get settled.

but my question is (especially to those who lived there for a long time) is life there worth the difficulty to get into switzerland?
or should i look in other places in europe?

i'm head graphic designer of a marketing communications agency.
i just want to live where it's safe, organized and close to nature. i'm single 26 years old.

please share your thoughts, experiences and daily life. i'm aching for a new country and i'm very ready for change. i'm currently in haiti.



You want safe, organized and close to nature.... THAT'S SWITZERLAND! I love it here. Love the nature, the food, the culture, the proximity to other places in europe, the beautiful towns (i live in Basel), the parks, forests, ... I could go on for ages. The people are polite, everything works very well, it's so clean and tidy but also pretty and rustic. It's great!

tigris330 23.08.2011 21:09

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My personal answer to your question is no, but I have several reasons which are specific to my character and might not bother anyone else. I've been here for two years and it has never felt like home. You will see that both opinions are common - yes I love it, no I dislike it - so your best bet is to read what goes on here and decide what would annoy you/not make the move worth it etc. There are some things people whine about on here which I don't mind.

cog 24.08.2011 01:42

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hi all! thanks for the replies! what i also like about switzerland is it's in the center of europe and it's close to other european countries. aside from that, the language diversity. i find that europe (in general) is rich in culture. some of my good friends are also swiss.

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Originally Posted by Adrianne (Post 1312327)
You want safe, organized and close to nature.... THAT'S SWITZERLAND! I love it here. Love the nature, the food, the culture, the proximity to other places in europe, the beautiful towns (i live in Basel), the parks, forests, ... I could go on for ages. The people are polite, everything works very well, it's so clean and tidy but also pretty and rustic. It's great!

Adriane, that is precisely one of the reasons why i want to go there.

still the question remains, is it really worth it?

cog 24.08.2011 01:50

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Originally Posted by tigris330 (Post 1312338)
My personal answer to your question is no, but I have several reasons which are specific to my character and might not bother anyone else. I've been here for two years and it has never felt like home. You will see that both opinions are common - yes I love it, no I dislike it - so your best bet is to read what goes on here and decide what would annoy you/not make the move worth it etc. There are some things people whine about on here which I don't mind.

and what are those specific reasons? i'm curious, if you say no but still stay there, what could be those specific reasons?

miniMia 24.08.2011 04:18

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As much as I love Switzerland, to be honest, if I were 26 and single, Switzerland would be the last place I'd be looking at. Not to mention the fact that the types of jobs you are looking for are not that abundant in Switzerland.

Despite Dougal's protests, I think Canada is a really good bet.

Assassin 24.08.2011 05:52

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In fact, I dislike Canada so much, I haven't even been there.
Watch it you, that's some real informed bias going on there. Go pick on some real shambles of a nation rather than the proper land of the free(ish). Like France or somewhere....

mimi1981 24.08.2011 07:35

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Originally Posted by miniMia (Post 1312563)
As much as I love Switzerland, to be honest, if I were 26 and single, Switzerland would be the last place I'd be looking at. Not to mention the fact that the types of jobs you are looking for are not that abundant in Switzerland.

Despite Dougal's protests, I think Canada is a really good bet.


I was 24 and single when I moved over and I loved every minute. Only now, 5 and a half years later, am I growing somewhat tired of it and miss my home. I think that's mainly to do with having my daughter now and also missing my family way too much :(

Switzerland is just too hard to balance work and family life and I just feel I am missing too much of my little one growing up.

Saying that, we have just signed a new lease on a place that keeps us here for at least a few more years so we're obviously not that fed up yet :rolleyes:

tigris330 24.08.2011 07:45

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Originally Posted by cog (Post 1312554)
and what are those specific reasons? i'm curious, if you say no but still stay there, what could be those specific reasons?

I came here to be with my Swiss partner. Staying in my country wasn't an option as 1) I wanted to leave anyway as I had problems at my job and in general to find a good job if I left that company, and 2) My partner would have struggled to find a job there and he has a decent one here.

I could copy paste the reasons but if you care to read, you can read them here. (only posting the link because you asked). Apart from the stuff mentioned in the link, as I said, it just never felt like home and I also forgot to mention: I come from a very sunny island and the almost total lack of sunshine in winter depresses me so much. I just know that I cannot live here (I live close to Zurich).

I came to this conclusion a while ago and then started working on a solution. My partner and I decided to migrate and we managed to get a permanent visa to Australia, where we think and hope we will both be happier. We're slowly getting ready for the move.

Guest 24.08.2011 08:51

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Originally Posted by darwiniandemon (Post 1312271)
Why switzerland specifically? US & Canada are in the neighborhood and are also good places to work and live.

North America and UK are the places to be for marketing.

I think that depends on the person, there is no way I would move to either the US or the UK. Not because I find them bad places to live, but I do not want to bring up my children there, just as much as I do not want to bring them up back home in Peru.
Plus in the kind of job that I do, I would be a slave in the US, only two week holidays, nah...I am fine in CH thank you

Guest 24.08.2011 08:53

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Canada? A vast, cultureless desert of snow and tundra, famous only for third rate doughnuts, melted cheese on chips
On account of that fact I would consider moving to Canada :D
Seriously, Id rather move to Canada than the US.

24.08.2011 08:57

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I moved to Switzerland to be paid in Swiss Francs.

If I was not being paid in Swiss Francs, I would not live here.

The reason I say this is I assume you won't be paid in Francs and that might be crippling for your disposable income between now and 30.

Caviarchips 24.08.2011 09:04

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Originally Posted by KB88111 (Post 1312629)
I moved to Switzerland to be paid in Swiss Francs.

If I was not being paid in Swiss Francs, I would not live here.

:confused: one more time please?

nic80 24.08.2011 09:08

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I fell here by default. It wasn't high on my 'must visit' list. Actually it wasn't on the list at all. But my husbands job bought us here. I hated it here for at least the first year (if I'm completely honest this was more to do with our circumstances and me being unemployed for the first time than dislike of Switzerland). So yup, it's difficult to settle in to but worth it. We've now got a great group of friends and ended up fighting to stay when my husbands office wanted to move us. We live a fairly quiet life though with dinners, brunches, trips to France etc our highlights. I desperately missed the city life when we arrived but have found myself settling in comfortably to Lausanne life (with quite frequent trips to cities to get my fix ;)).

Even so; Switzerland is not forever for us. It's likely we'll have to move to Asia at some point in the future (hopefully in about 3 years or so). So we're enjoying every moment here whilst we can and use the landlocked islands fabulous chf and location to explore more of Europe.

Good luck making your decision!

darwiniandemon 24.08.2011 09:43

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Originally Posted by cog (Post 1312552)
hi all! thanks for the replies! what i also like about switzerland is it's in the center of europe and it's close to other european countries. aside from that, the language diversity. i find that europe (in general) is rich in culture. some of my good friends are also swiss.

Adriane, that is precisely one of the reasons why i want to go there.

still the question remains, is it really worth it?

Those are good reasons but I'm not sure I'm fully convinced. You're seeing only one side of Switzerland. To every coin, there are two sides. Maybe you should ask: "Why SHOULDN'T I move to Switzerland?" I'm sure you'll get an equal number of negative perspectives from the members here.

Don't get me wrong. I love it here and I would like to remain here for an extended period of time. I previously lived and worked in Canada, Taiwan, and Germany. Switzerland has its strengths but also its flaws but so do all the other countries. You're selling yourself short by convincing yourself that it's the perfect place to be work and live.


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Originally Posted by miniMia (Post 1312563)
As much as I love Switzerland, to be honest, if I were 26 and single, Switzerland would be the last place I'd be looking at. Not to mention the fact that the types of jobs you are looking for are not that abundant in Switzerland.

Despite Dougal's protests, I think Canada is a really good bet.

Totally agree. I'm 27, and if I were single (hypothetically speaking!) and highly skilled, I'd probably look to a more exciting and dynamic place to live and work.

My decision to move to Switzerland was clear from the beginning and it wasn't because due to the cultural diversity, language diversity, centre of Europe, etc. Again I love it here but the you can get cultural diversity in all parts of Europe. You can get language diversity by living close to the border of another country. You can be in the "centre of Europe" by living in eastern France, Southern Germany, Northern Italy, or Western Austria. You can also find the Alps in these 4 countries -- but you can't find great tasting Rivella. :msncool:

darwiniandemon 24.08.2011 09:57

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Canada? A vast, cultureless desert of snow and tundra, famous only for third rate doughnuts Timbits are better anyhow, melted cheese on chips Poutine is delicious and the folly of permitting the continued existence of a colony of Frenchmen in their midst Frenchmen are confined to Quebec. If they apply for a permit, they can visit the rest of Canada, compared with a venerable and comfortable republic in the heart of the most civilised continent on Earth, where one can eat a sausage at the top of every mountain I'm straight, thanks, ride a boat across every lake and live on chocolate for breakfast, lunch and dinner? Yeah? But in Switzerland, can you fight a polar bear and get a double-double?
Like a model Swiss resident, I had a Redbull for breakfast. :msntongue:

cog 24.08.2011 16:15

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Originally Posted by tigris330 (Post 1312586)
I came here to be with my Swiss partner. Staying in my country wasn't an option as 1) I wanted to leave anyway as I had problems at my job and in general to find a good job if I left that company, and 2) My partner would have struggled to find a job there and he has a decent one here.

I could copy paste the reasons but if you care to read, you can read them here. (only posting the link because you asked). Apart from the stuff mentioned in the link, as I said, it just never felt like home and I also forgot to mention: I come from a very sunny island and the almost total lack of sunshine in winter depresses me so much. I just know that I cannot live here (I live close to Zurich).

I came to this conclusion a while ago and then started working on a solution. My partner and I decided to migrate and we managed to get a permanent visa to Australia, where we think and hope we will both be happier. We're slowly getting ready for the move.

i have a confesion, i have a swiss love too. ;) but dunno. i wanted to go there before i met her. so... anyway, nice blog. i will keep on reading it later.
good luck with australia! ;)

st2lemans 24.08.2011 16:20

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Originally Posted by darwiniandemon (Post 1312673)
I'm 27, and if I were single (hypothetically speaking!) and highly skilled, I'd probably look to a more exciting and dynamic place to live and work.

Hmmm, when I moved here, I was 27 and single. And I found it an exciting and dynamic place to live and work. :eek:

Still do, 25 years later! :p

Tom

st2lemans 24.08.2011 16:24

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Originally Posted by miniMia (Post 1312563)
As much as I love Switzerland, to be honest, if I were 26 and single, Switzerland would be the last place I'd be looking at. Not to mention the fact that the types of jobs you are looking for are not that abundant in Switzerland.

Ironically, other than Japan, this was the ONLY place really doing anything back in the '80s in the domain I wanted to work.

Tom

cog 24.08.2011 16:33

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Originally Posted by darwiniandemon (Post 1312673)
Those are good reasons but I'm not sure I'm fully convinced. You're seeing only one side of Switzerland. To every coin, there are two sides. Maybe you should ask: "Why SHOULDN'T I move to Switzerland?" I'm sure you'll get an equal number of negative perspectives from the members here.

Don't get me wrong. I love it here and I would like to remain here for an extended period of time. I previously lived and worked in Canada, Taiwan, and Germany. Switzerland has its strengths but also its flaws but so do all the other countries. You're selling yourself short by convincing yourself that it's the perfect place to be work and live.




Totally agree. I'm 27, and if I were single (hypothetically speaking!) and highly skilled, I'd probably look to a more exciting and dynamic place to live and work.

My decision to move to Switzerland was clear from the beginning and it wasn't because due to the cultural diversity, language diversity, centre of Europe, etc. Again I love it here but the you can get cultural diversity in all parts of Europe. You can get language diversity by living close to the border of another country. You can be in the "centre of Europe" by living in eastern France, Southern Germany, Northern Italy, or Western Austria. You can also find the Alps in these 4 countries -- but you can't find great tasting Rivella. :msncool:

thanks for the very useful information. i'm well aware too of the negative sides of switzerland. from people who lived there, from swiss friends and from this forum. but still on this point where i need to decide. thanks though.

EarME 24.08.2011 16:36

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If you want safety, good transport, lower tax, higher prices, very quiet weekends in the city, real seasons, clean hospitals, expensive health insurance, then yes.

cog 24.08.2011 16:36

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Originally Posted by st2lemans (Post 1313354)
Hmmm, when I moved here, I was 27 and single. And I found it an exciting and dynamic place to live and work. :eek:

Still do, 25 years later! :p

Tom

may i ask, what industry you're in?

miniMia 24.08.2011 16:44

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Originally Posted by st2lemans (Post 1313358)
Ironically, other than Japan, this was the ONLY place really doing anything back in the '80s in the domain I wanted to work.

Tom

Yes, Tom. But we know you're special. ;) I know plenty of people who grew up in Lugano and went to Milan for fun. All work & no play makes Tom a dull boy.

Treverus 24.08.2011 16:49

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Originally Posted by st2lemans (Post 1313358)
Ironically, other than Japan, this was the ONLY place really doing anything back in the '80s in the domain I wanted to work.

Tom

Well, Japan has loads of stunning nature, good skiing, is safe, the Yen is extremly strong... even the beer is better, let alone the food.

st2lemans 24.08.2011 16:57

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Originally Posted by miniMia (Post 1313390)
I know plenty of people who grew up in Lugano and went to Milan for fun. All work & no play makes Tom a dull boy.

Well, I went to St. Moritz yesterday for fun (420km of motorcycling).

My daughters have always shunned Milano, the older one used to go to Brescia all the time, but has since moved to the boonies (Vallemaggia), the younger one prefers Bellinzona.

Tom

cog 24.08.2011 16:57

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Originally Posted by Treverus (Post 1313396)
Well, Japan has loads of stunning nature, good skiing, is safe, the Yen is extremly strong... even the beer is better, let alone the food.

true but the language is much more difficult, especially with the written language.

i'm from asia, so i prefer to live in the west. ;)

Treverus 24.08.2011 16:59

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Originally Posted by cog (Post 1313419)
true but the language is much more difficult, especially with the written language.

So how good is your German?

mrstarks 24.08.2011 17:00

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@OP, I doubt you will have as much excitement here in Switzerland as you have in Haiti. I have lived in Bangalore, Lagos, London and when it comes to a nice social life, i.e. having fun, going to actually good parties, etc, then Switzerland is extremely lame. Like the amount of fun I had in India, Nigeria, Ghana, United Kingdom, cannot even compare to the downsize in fun you will experience in Switzerland. I regularly escape to London for the weekend to actually party properly.
You only have to go through the thread to realise the problems some EFs face until you learn the language and all the stuff. Just go through the threads on blending properly into the Swiss society.

BUT, and this is what makes me happy here in Switzerland, if you want a certain degree of order, and you want to start a family, you will find Switzerland brilliant. Transport is always on time, the country is usually clean (depending on where you live obviously) but in general well kept. I'd say crime rates are low, and if you are outdoorsy person, then you will be in heaven. OH, did i mention the salary and low taxes - which I have to admit is probably the biggest thing keeping me here

Given your reasons, then I would say Switzerland. Given you occupation, I would say London but then you sacrifice the outdoors but I daresay you will be motivated more jobwise in London. Creative wise, i personally find Switzerland a bit bland, but that's just me.
I have a similar profile to you, currently involved in finance (9-5) but heavily involved in the creative and entertainment business on the side. Funny enough a few of creatives I have met here usually ask the same question, "why leave London for Switzerland?"
That is just my take really. Goodluck with your decision

cog 24.08.2011 17:04

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Originally Posted by Treverus (Post 1313423)
So how good is your German?

my german is very basic. but i could get by in french, i'm confident that if i get exposed to french for a few months i would even be able to pick up the accent.
though my target is international/multinational companies and organizations.

Treverus 24.08.2011 17:05

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Originally Posted by mrstarks (Post 1313428)
@OP, I doubt you will have as much excitement here in Switzerland as you have in Haiti. I have lived in Bangalore, Lagos, London and when it comes to a nice social life, i.e. having fun, going to actually good parties, etc, then Switzerland is extremely lame. Like the amount of fun I had in India, Nigeria, Ghana, United Kingdom, cannot even compare to the downsize in fun you will experience in Switzerland. I regularly escape to London for the weekend to actually party properly.

Honestly: You are living in Wettingen. That's the dullest place of them all except of Olten. You'd probably had more fun in a different spot in Switzerland as well and comparing life in Wettingen with London is just stupid.

Compare Wettingen to Guilford. (And Wettingen is actually only one third of the size of Guilford...) Where do you have more fun?


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