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How multicultural are cities in Switzerland?

Apart from Geneva and Zurich, how multilcultural are cities in Switzerland?

Is it common to have neighbours, colleagues, restaurants from all over the world in Basel, Lausanne, Zug, Luzern, Bern, St Gallen, Freiburg, Neuchatel?

What about the openness of the locals?

And what about in smaller places?
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Re: How multicultural are cities in Switzerland?

Like any place in the world it depends on where you are.

Most cities are multicultural, and 20% of the occupants of this country are foreign myself included. So consider this firstly.

If you live in rural areas it's unusual to find foreigners.

If you live in Zurich/Basel/Geneva it's a different matter.

It's a bit of a open ended question the answer is yes or no depending of which areas of the city in question. Obviously the closer to the centre the more "multicultural" it is.
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If you live in rural areas it's unusual to find foreigners.
Only if you live somewhere really remote like some of the more obscure side valleys in deepest Graubünden. Where I live - definitely rural - it's the same 20% - 30% (depending on village) as everywhere else.
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Only if you live somewhere really remote like some of the more obscure side valleys in deepest Graubünden. Where I live - definitely rural - it's the same 20% - 30% (depending on village) as everywhere else.
It's very much where you live. Stats from my community say 21.6% auslander, however where I live there is only x1 + myself/fiancee that are not Swiss in a 1km radius that I know of. I'm surrounded by farmers who are Swiss.

http://www.neuheim.ch/portrait/neuheim-in-zahlen/

Depends on what you deem multicultural too, if we remove croats/serbs + EU 8 nationals we may get a very different figure.
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Apart from Geneva and Zurich, how multilcultural are cities in Switzerland?

Is it common to have neighbours, colleagues, restaurants from all over the world in Basel, Lausanne, Zug, Luzern, Bern, St Gallen, Freiburg, Neuchatel?

What about the openness of the locals?

And what about in smaller places?
This is certainly a very debatably topic, as the 20% of foreigner who reside in Switzerland can be looked at from different angles. For instance, it is harder here to obtain citizenship than in neighboring countries. A big chunk of foreigners (i.e. Italians, Germans, balkans etc.) have been here for a while and see no advantage of going through the hassle of applying for citizenship. Then, there is also this rule, that a foreigner has to reside in one community for a particular number of years, before applying for citizenship. If he/she moves, he/she will have to reside in her new community of a set number of years before being elliglible to apply.
In terms of real mulitculturalism, you simply cannot compare Switzerland to any commonwealth country, US, Canada or even say neighboring France and Germany.

In terms of openess of the locals, I must say that it varies. There are people who are more welcoming than others. I wouldn't say it's as open as anywhere else, as generally speaking, Switzerland doesn't necessarily have a solid history of immigration (other than from a few select states) and therefore, aren't used to interract with professionals from a 3rd world background.
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This is certainly a very debatably topic, as the 20% of foreigner who reside in Switzerland can be looked at from different angles. For instance, it is harder here to obtain citizenship than in neighboring countries. A big chunk of foreigners (i.e. Italians, Germans, balkans etc.) have been here for a while and see no advantage of going through the hassle of applying for citizenship. Then, there is also this rule, that a foreigner has to reside in one community for a particular number of years, before applying for citizenship. If he/she moves, he/she will have to reside in her new community of a set number of years before being elliglible to apply.
In terms of real mulitculturalism, you simply cannot compare Switzerland to any commonwealth country, US, Canada or even say neighboring France and Germany.

In terms of openess of the locals, I must say that it varies. There are people who are more welcoming than others. I wouldn't say it's as open as anywhere else, as generally speaking, Switzerland doesn't necessarily have a solid history of immigration (other than from a few select states) and therefore, aren't used to interract with professionals from a 3rd world background.
You might put it the other way round with Switzerland having a long and solid history of EMIgration while IMMIgration is something of AFTER 1880 and so relatively new
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Re: How multicultural are cities in Switzerland?

Well lets put it this way-you wont find any Minarets
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Well lets put it this way-you wont find any Minarets




Zürich

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Wangen bei Olten

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Winterthur here :





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and Geneva above

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not too long ago, you could have said
"you will not find any Absynthe in Switzerland"
as it
A) was prohibited by law based on a public vote
B) the prohibition was part of the constitution
but after some decades, the ban was lifted

<> anyway, you better abstain from making statements which
do not hold water
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Re: How multicultural are cities in Switzerland?

LOL, the fact absinthe was illegal didn't mean you couldn't find it. Those of us born and bred in Green Fairy land (and the cops and authorities) knew exactly where it was and how to find it. And honest, it tasted better for all the intrigue. Next year, the local Tribunal, where the odd distiller was prosecuted once in a blue moon, just to pretend- will become the Absinthe Museum - and the assistant to the Judge at the time, its Curator. Who saus the Swiss have no sense of humour
Plenty of absinthe now and legal. If anybody every wants to do a tour of local distilleries, it can be arranged. But we digress. Santé! (cheers).
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Re: How multicultural are cities in Switzerland?

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Only if you live somewhere really remote like some of the more obscure side valleys in deepest Graubünden.
Even in Graubünden/Grischun, if you go deep enough, you get to Italy or Austria.
I find Zernez and Scuol very international: Rumantsch from not only lower Engiadina but also upper Engiadina, from the other side of the Fuorn, even some central Romanshes on the run, quite a few Italians working, some of them German speakers, a couple of Russians who got bored in San Murezzan (Skt Moritz) and took their far too expensive cars down the valley, some Germans living alternative life style in the Romansh montains, if you look carefully there should be some English long term tourists somewhere, some Dutch who discovered how montains actually look like and fell in love with them, and Swiss Germans of all cantons who have the particularism of not talking to each other (I´m not joking), and Japanese tourists just rushing through the place. Add the portugese and tamil immigrants, the unevitable chinese familly running food store and restaurant, the cleaning ladies from all kind of poor countries and German saison working in the tourist industry and you get the picture.

I've heard of a tribe who've never seen strangers though: Obwalden. But that might be a legend...
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Well lets put it this way-you wont find any Minarets
and just in case you wish to say that there is none in Basel, here



is what will become reality in 2012 in Mülhausen. Up from 2012, BSL-MLH will not only share an airport but also a Mosque

It is no problem really, as quite many of the Maghrebins of the Alsace are TRI-lingual (Arab-French-German) while the Turks from Basel while being Turkish-German speaking also have some basic command of French and Arabic (French in practice, Arabic in theological theory). And the Turks majority-wise are mainstream-Sunni Muslims. That the Turks usually are Hanafi and the Maghrebins usually Maliki is not hindrance.
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and here back to Mosques, here a list of the major mosques in Switzerland :
Mahmud-Moschee

Kanton Zürich Zürich 1963 AMJ Erste Moschee in der Schweiz.[W 27]


Genfer Moschee



Kanton Genf Genf 1978 A Vom saudi-arabischen König Chalid ibn Abd al-Aziz eingeweiht.

Winterthur Moschee

Kanton Zürich Winterthur 2005 U Moschee der Islamisch-Albanischen Gemeinschaft

Moschee in Wangen bei Olten

Kanton Solothurn Wangen bei Olten 2002 U „Türkischer Kulturverein Olten“ (OTKO); 2009 wurde ein Minarett angebaut. Ortslage Fatih-Moschee
Kanton Solothurn Solothurn ? U Türkisches Islamisches Zentrum, Ortslage Fatih-Moschee
Kanton Zug Baar bei Zug ? DITIB Türk Islam Birligi Fatih-Camii Zug [W 28] Ortslage Beyazit-Moschee
Kanton Solothurn Bellach ? U Türkischer Träger; Schweizerisch Islamische Glaubensgemeinschaft, Ortslage Lindenrain-Moschee
Kanton Bern Bern ? A Islamisches Zentrum Bern (IZB) [W 29] Ortslage Xhamia e Langenthalit
Kanton Bern Langenthal ? U Albanischer Träger; Islamische Glaubensgemeinschaft Langenthal (IGGL), 130 Mitglieder, Ortslage Hëna e Re
Kanton Thurgau Kreuzlingen 2008 U Albanisch-Islamische Gemeinschaft [25], Ortslage Islamisches Zentrum Lausanne
Kanton Waadt Lausanne 2008 U Centre islamique de Lausanne (CIL), Kauf- und Umbaukosten rund 2,5 Millionen Franken, Eröffnung am 13. November 2008 [26], Ortslage Nuur-Moschee
Kanton Thurgau Wigoltingen 2009 AMJ [27] Ortslage

with the first four HAVING minarets

source: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_v...nd_der_Schweiz

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and just in case you wish to say that there is none in Basel, here...is what will become reality in 2012 in Mülhausen.
In which Swiss canton is Mülhausen?

To the OP: Pretty much everywhere is very multicultural. Maybe not in a tiny hamlet in the heart of the country, but certainly everywhere else is.
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To the OP: Pretty much everywhere is very multicultural. Maybe not in a tiny hamlet in the heart of the country, but certainly everywhere else is.
BASEL -- or in short BAE = Basel-Elsass
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For instance, it is harder here to obtain citizenship than in neighboring countries.

In Italy as Non EU, if you are lucky you will receive your Italian citizenship after 13-14 years.

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And it was better back then (a friend in NE usually had some).

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As a kid I knew all the illegal distillers- used to help fill the bottles in exchange for using the swimming pool at one of them. The distillery was hidden right in the centre of the underground floor- surrounded by cellars, washroom and garages, with a false wall. Ye good olde days.
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The guy knew he had been rumbled, and disappeared to Kenya. He faked his death apparently - and was never seen again. Wonder if he is still alive- would be in his 80s now!
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Re: How multicultural are cities in Switzerland?

End of the day through history imigrants have been around forever and that is what makes culture. Some countries are more tolerant than others. The UK is over tolerant ( I believe) as imigrants seem to have more rights than the UK citizens in this PC age we live in.

I embrace other cultures but I think they need to intergrate more to the country they move to.
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