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seriously guys, let's try to help the OP out. i think he is more in search of a real person's advice tailored to his situation before he studies the stuff in google???
perhaps after our advice he would get ideas to google out.
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Old 02.09.2011, 04:01
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seriously guys, let's try to help the OP out. i think he is more in search of a real person's advice tailored to his situation before he studies the stuff in google???
perhaps after our advice he would get ideas to google out.
This isn't a service bureau. Only s/he knows the details that would provide the answers to "how much money can I make after rent & taxes?". Seriously that questions is so vague as to be unanswerable. But, I'll give some advise:



Anyway, to the OP, one thing you might consider to get a peek into a business in Vevey is to see if there is one for sale. That could give you an idea of how much money can be had and if you think your products would be better/worse sellers, if you can get better location/worse location for more/less money etc. Of course you have to act like you want to buy the shop & not like you are just spying.

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Old 02.09.2011, 06:51
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For future reference, I "found" it by "typing" the words "business" and "plan" into "google.com". Pretty neat, huh?!?!?
Noobs.

http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=business+plan

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Now, can someone please check flights to and from Züri for me and advise me accordingly? Thanks in advance
http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=flights+zurich

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Old 02.09.2011, 06:59
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OP, gift shop will probably work. There not that many shops in our little town, but I have noticed in other little towns, gift shop is always in the selections of stores. But, everything depends on the type, quality and price of gifts you want to sell. You need to have an attractive shop window, good place, attractive shop wench, uhm....what else, friendly hours, sunday open. But check out with your commune, they might not allow you to even open a shop if you do not have some kind of license, or edu?
The reason why there are so many gift shops is that
  1. authorities usually require no special license or qualifications (as opposed to, say, a butchers)
  2. business owners see it as something to do with selling stuff they like (and that, by extension, everyone else likes), without having to have special skills, or requiring expensive equipment, or having to get up very early, or otherwise working too hard at all.
So if you're into (for example) New Age, why not open a New Age shop and sell New Age artefacts to other New Agers? I'm sure you've come across shops like that. Very few of them are remotely profitable. A close relative of that sort of gift shop is the Nail Bar - easy to set up, no certified skills required (i.e. anyone can open one, no matter how good or bad they are at painting fingernails), and "it's something to do, innit". Other "business ideas" with similar requirements is the "inkjet printer cartridge refill place".

There is a reason why so many gift shops, nail bars and inkjet cartridge refill places disappear quickly: Their owners have no idea how to set up or run a business and think that it will take care of itself. "How much money can I make?" is already a surefire sign of that. The question should be: "Can I make money at all?"
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By the way, you know you can hire somebody to help you with this, right?
Nah, that would cost money.

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Re: Give me your advise please about starting a business in CH

My suggestion, based on profiling this site, The Brown Sugar and English Sausage Store @ Zurich HB.
You should make it up scale and have various brown sugars from various places and have monthly 'tastings'.
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Re: Give me your advise please about starting a business in CH

OP.....you've had a pretty tough time in terms of response here, and personally I think that you should take what is hidden in the funny responses seriously.....which is that if you haven't got enough detail to give people a reasonable idea what you are trying to do, then you haven't got enough detail to start a business.

As a hint, here is another thread which is live here at the moment which IMO gives a far better impression of strategy and concept than yours does. I think the poster here is getting much more valuable input than you have.

In terms of your idea...here's what I would do. Walk around Vevey and do a survey of how many shops there are and what they do and tally them up. Then go and do the same thing in neighbouring towns like Montreux and see what the differences are. THEN, see what Vevey doesn't have that Montreux DOES have (you with me?)......and then go to Montreux and stand outside one of those stores for three hours on a Tuesday afternoon and count how many people go in and guess the value of what they spend.

Then multiply it up.....divide by two (as GG said) and figure out if you can run a business for that.
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OP.....you've had a pretty tough time in terms of response here, and personally I think that you should take what is hidden in the funny responses seriously.....which is that if you haven't got enough detail to give people a reasonable idea what you are trying to do, then you haven't got enough detail to start a business.

As a hint, here is another thread which is live here at the moment which IMO gives a far better impression of strategy and concept than yours does. I think the poster here is getting much more valuable input than you have.

In terms of your idea...here's what I would do. Walk around Vevey and do a survey of how many shops there are and what they do and tally them up. Then go and do the same thing in neighbouring towns like Montreux and see what the differences are. THEN, see what Vevey doesn't have that Montreux DOES have (you with me?)......and then go to Montreux and stand outside one of those stores for three hours on a Tuesday afternoon and count how many people go in and guess the value of what they spend.

Then multiply it up.....divide by two (as GG said) and figure out if you can run a business for that.
Very good post.

But OP, i will not lie: Entrepreneurship is a tough world, and many businesses fail not only because of the competition but because of the wrong timing, wrong product(obsolete or state of the art but expensive), wrong service, not enough money to take the business to the next level, too much personnel, poor marketing, ecc.
You have also to consider that not all consumers are the same(Zurich VS some small city for example)...


OP please, before considering anything else, try to answer to these basics quaestions:

- do you have good communication skills? (you better be good here,but it's not fundamental)
- do you have superior knowledge (materials, manufacturing process, factories, engineering, packaging) on the products/service you want to sell
or provide? (you absolutely should know what you are doing)
- do you know who your competitors are?
- are you willing to work extrahours for no money?
- what will you provide that your competitors don't(new product, new technology,new experience, price, quality, e-commerce, ecc)?


p.s: My post is for a start up, not for a retail type business which needs are different.
p.s2:sorry for my broken English..
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I’m thinking about starting little business in the area that I live, an average gift shop, do you guys have any idea how much money I can make in a month after paying like the rent & taxes...
Why a gift shop? I expect an honest answer.
Do you have any sales experience?
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My suggestion, based on profiling this site, The Brown Sugar and English Sausage Store @ Zurich HB.
You should make it up scale and have various brown sugars from various places and have monthly 'tastings'.
We have this in Africa and it's very very very cheap..
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This isn't a service bureau. Only s/he knows the details that would provide the answers to "how much money can I make after rent & taxes?". Seriously that questions is so vague as to be unanswerable. But, I'll give some advise:
you're right, but i still think we should give the OP some advice the best way we can. because if we think that the questions are too vague or unanswerable we should just ignore the thread, otherwise we're wasting time answering vague questions and posting on the thread. but since we're following the thread, we should just try to help. wouldn't you think so?
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you're right, but i still think we should give the OP some advice the best way we can. because if we think that the questions are too vague or unanswerable we should just ignore the thread, otherwise we're wasting time answering vague questions and posting on the thread. but since we're following the thread, we should just try to help. wouldn't you think so?
Sure. I get what you are saying. But what would EF be with out a bit of ribbing. In the end, the OP needs to hear the harsh realities of the real world. Sad, but true.

Anyway, I gave some advice. I also though once about opening a store and looked at a few that were for sale. Looking at the books of those stores is really very telling.

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Sure. I get what you are saying. But what would EF be with out a bit of ribbing. In the end, the OP needs to hear the harsh realities of the real world. Sad, but true.

Anyway, I gave some advice. I also though once about opening a store and looked a few that were for sales. Looking the the books of these stores is really very telling.
i hear you.

well, it's hard to build a business and it's even harder to get it off the ground and even more difficult to stay afloat.
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i hear you.

well, it's hard to build a business and it's even harder to get it off the ground and even more difficult to stay afloat.
Preach! ....
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Well, as a first approximation, I'd suggest we start with
Net Profit = (IncomeAGS - ExpenditureAGS) * (1 - Tax_RateAGS)
where
IncomeAGS, ExpenditureAGS and Tax_RateAGS represent the Income, Expenditure and Tax Rate respectively that would be appropriate to an average gift shop.

The OP simply has to substitute appropriate approximate values for the variables given.


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