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Your original post and this one couldn't have come anytime sooner. The seemingly endless "Swiss bashing" threads do impact the Reader as you have said, as do the posts which make an annual salary of CHF155K sound like chicken feed.

We lived in Kanton Zurich for 4 years before moving to the Suisse Romandie. Now there is a possibility that we may have to move back to Zurich once again.The subconscious effect of reading these "Switzerlanded" threads was such that I had actually started dreading this possible move.

Coincidently, just a couple of days ago I had shaken myself out this negative mindset by remembering our previous 4 years in Zurich. We did have a few nasty surprises then, however on the whole, the entire experience was extremely positive and enjoyable. Prior to settling in Switzerland, I had been visiting Zurich at least 4-5 times a year for more than 20 years. I have wonderful, warm, generous Swiss friends who have known me for decades now.

Every place in the world has it pluses and minuses, so does Switzerland. Likewise for the Swiss people. All things considered, if there is one place in the world where I would rather be, it would Switzerland.

I have nothing against people dissing Switzerland though. Each to his own.
alright with moving back to Zurich, but as you apparently have stayed in Nyon, for sure one of the most beautiful places in Switzerland (at least), be careful about choosing a good place in the Zurich-region, for example along the lake in a more or less sunny place
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Old 04.09.2011, 20:00
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I have realized that my perception of things sometimes is highly skewed by the fact that this is not "home", wherever that is.
And for me, it IS home, though I've only spent half my life here.

And that DOES make a difference.

Hell, I've lived more years in my current place, than anywhere else in my lifetime (and slightly more time than I spent in the combined three places in the town I was born and grew up in!)

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Federica, it is true that once you've traveled and lived 'elsewhere' there is no putting the snake back in the basket- your life and the way you react, does change forever. It's funny here, there is about a dozen of us who have returned, and we have a sort of discreet understanding on this - and yet we've all been accepted back. Perhaps because we had no private schools when we were kids, and all grew up together irrespective or 'social position', parental income or job.

I've known so many 'foreigners' here and elsewhere who yearned for the 'back home' and yet couldn't stand it when they did eventually return- and then yearned to go away again. Truth is, unless you live in a war torn or drought torn area- the only real thing that changes is the view from the window, when the chips are down. If someone has a tendency to depression or difficulty with communication/relationships, moving abroad is much more likely to emphasise this rather than help. Perhaps like having a baby to mend an ailing marriage- it rarely works.
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I've seen massive changes and it would be easy to constantly counteract rants with "well you should have lived here 30 years ago" but I don't because each persons journey is individual and I don't want to sound like me avatar..
Before we came here in 2000 we asked a co-worker (in the U.S.) how had it been for him when he was here in 1989/90. He gave a lot of helpful hints, some of which were already out of date, as the internet really changed a lot of things. EF didn't even exist when we arrived, so some things should be easier for new arrivals compared to earlier days, but there will also be a certain amount of culture shock and the language will (almost) always be a problem.

And some of the whining on here makes me want to bring out the "well you should have lived here 11 years ago" or "I've heard stories from 20 years ago", but I ignore the temptation and go to another thread. If I have something helpful (or at least I think it's helpful), I'll post something, but I try to stay out of the pile-ups.

And for the days I feel frustrated about the language, etc? I remind myself of the tourists "oohing" and "aahing" in Luzern. They only get to visit. There are people who can only dream of even visiting here. I actually get to live here.
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Re: Perspective: doz we haz it?

From my point of view I travelled around the world for 3 years looking for somewhere that I would like to live. I choose Switzerland out of all the countries in the world that I could have moved to and I could not be happier with my decision.

Yesterday I was kayaking down the Rhein and just enjoying the sunshine. Today I am working with high-speed Internet access and tonight I can drift home through the wonderful streets of Basel with beautiful old buildings to an appartment on the river.

People are friendly and smile at you if you smile first. Sure there are some grumpies as there are everywhere in the world but I like the people here. I find it multicultural and facinating and all the events that are happening all the time make is a very exciting place to live for me.

I got rid of so many of the bad things that I did not want in my life by moving here and combined with the good, I could not be happier.

Viva Switzerland, I am in it for the long run.
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Old 04.09.2011, 20:10
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How dare you suggesting that EF does not accurately reflect the woes of expat life in Switzerland.
Not accurately ? I recently was at a secondary class reunion, and can say that the general opinion about our precious place here was far worse than what you can read on the E.F.

Alright, most of us have been abroad not just for holidays and at a given time had to return, and so of course are of the disgruntled returnees .... but at the other hand our stays in "foreign lands" gives us a realistic view. And let's not forget that such disgruntled returnees or their sons/daughters/etc were the ones who helped this country forward

Back to the E.F. . I do NOT oppose negative judgments about Switzerland, but I oppose
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B) judgments put forward in total disregard of what things are like in countries extremely well known to CH-people (GB/F/D/I)
C) judgments which are factually completely wrong
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No, not true.

The landscape changes, the raw ingredients change. And, I prefer the landscape and raw ingredients here.

I moved here because I liked Switzerland, not for money or a job (though, of course, that was involved, but only as a means to an end).

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alright with moving back to Zurich, but as you apparently have stayed in Nyon, for sure one of the most beautiful places in Switzerland (at least), be careful about choosing a good place in the Zurich-region, for example along the lake in a more or less sunny place
Wolly (since others address you thus, I am taking the liberty of using it as wellĘ)
Its going to be very, very difficult leaving this area. The Suisse Romondie has been absolutely brilliant. We have not had a single negative experience here. Nyon is indeed very beautiful. We spent 4 years there and then moved to a small village 3Kms away. People are laid back, relaxed and friendly. In spite of not being able to speak the language, I have had no difficulties. So, leaving this area is going to be heartbreaking. However, having to choose between Zurich or Nyon is what I call as the "hight class" problem. I would much rather have this problem than anything else. I know there are millions around the world who would be more than willing to give an arm and a leg to be in my shoes. I can only be grateful.

Many thanks for your advice.I will definitely look for sunnier place in Zurich this time, although along the lake might be difficult, my salary is not even CHF155K
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Nyonais, if you love it that much there, it will take some adjustment when moving to Zurich. We lived in the Romandie many years and loved it - then economics took us to Zurich - cannot say I ever really settled and we have been here more than 10 years...
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Re: Perspective: doz we haz it?

Nearly eighteen months ago, this 'Are expats in CH more bitter than in other countries?' thread was started. I said in there that all posts in Complaints Corner should self-destruct after a week. I still think so. There would be less 're-hashing' old moans and anyone who'd been away on holiday would come back to a nice fresh start.
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Right after " Canadian Dude" got executed I miss him ,Kind off
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Not accurately ? I recently was at a secondary class reunion, and can say that the general opinion about our precious place here was far worse than what you can read on the E.F.

Alright, most of us have been abroad not just for holidays and at a given time had to return, and so of course are of the disgruntled returnees .... but at the other hand our stays in "foreign lands" gives us a realistic view. And let's not forget that such disgruntled returnees or their sons/daughters/etc were the ones who helped this country forward

Back to the E.F. . I do NOT oppose negative judgments about Switzerland, but I oppose
A) judgments based on info no CH would dare to put forward out of fear to be labelled as "mentally challenged"
B) judgments put forward in total disregard of what things are like in countries extremely well known to CH-people (GB/F/D/I)
C) judgments which are factually completely wrong
Wolly! may I drink to that I know at least 2 dozenth people which went back to Switzerland .loved it ,but on the end moved back to Canada with a swiss spouse
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Nyonais, if you love it that much there, it will take some adjustment when moving to Zurich. We lived in the Romandie many years and loved it - then economics took us to Zurich - cannot say I ever really settled and we have been here more than 10 years...
Lakeside, thanks for the warning. I know its going to be difficult. The fact that we had lived in Zurich before should help. We will also be much better prepared this time, in general. But yes, it will be difficult.
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Old 04.09.2011, 22:28
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That's only because most posters live in the German or French speaking parts!

In the REAL Switzerland (i.e. Ticino), it ain't like that!

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"REAL Switzerland" ? you mean the area which was conquered by Uri-Schwyz-Unterwalden when they decided also to get some colonies ? those sub-SanGottardo areas which became easy prey when they down in Milano had some squarrels
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"REAL Switzerland" ? you mean the area which was conquered by Uri-Schwyz-Unterwalden when they decided also to get some colonies ? those sub-SanGottardo areas which became easy prey when they down in Milano had some squarrels
Belligerent squirrels?
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Wolly (since others address you thus, I am taking the liberty of using it as wellĘ)
Its going to be very, very difficult leaving this area. The Suisse Romondie has been absolutely brilliant. We have not had a single negative experience here. Nyon is indeed very beautiful. We spent 4 years there and then moved to a small village 3Kms away. People are laid back, relaxed and friendly. In spite of not being able to speak the language, I have had no difficulties. So, leaving this area is going to be heartbreaking. However, having to choose between Zurich or Nyon is what I call as the "hight class" problem. I would much rather have this problem than anything else. I know there are millions around the world who would be more than willing to give an arm and a leg to be in my shoes. I can only be grateful.

Many thanks for your advice.I will definitely look for sunnier place in Zurich this time, although along the lake might be difficult, my salary is not even CHF155K
I until 2008 fully and up from 2002 partially lived in a place with a view onto the lake, but for practical reasons in 2009 moved to Glattbrugg. As I do not like mountains I can do without the view onto mountains but I miss the lake. I get downtown to the lake at least once per week, and have a picture of the view onto the lake just beside my bed ONE thing however in favour of my new place is that it is sunnier than whatever I have had before
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quarrels it should have been while I much prefer squirrels




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Re: Perspective: doz we haz it?

To add my 5 cents here: I've been here for nearly two years now, and must admit that it takes more effort to get integrated than I expected. The bad experiences, the difficulties and concerns are indeed more inviting to post on EF, while the positive experiences - which are in surplus - are easier enjoyed "in private"...

Yes, it's all about perspective!! I will remember this when considering to post here, and add my 10 cents of joy as well as my 5 cents of struggle
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"REAL Switzerland" ? you mean the area which was conquered by Uri-Schwyz-Unterwalden when they decided also to get some colonies ? those sub-SanGottardo areas which became easy prey when they down in Milano had some squarrels
Well, it's the only part I like!

Don't recall any religious wars within TI, either!

TI is great, the rest SUCKS!

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Well, it's the only part I like!

Don't recall any religious wars within TI, either!

TI is great, the rest SUCKS!

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