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Old 11.09.2011, 18:13
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Zürich has nice galleries, that's the difference: Zürcher money high class can pay for art, Basler can just afford to look at it.
Must remember that next time I go to ArtZurich... no... hang on that's not right...
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Old 11.09.2011, 18:17
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Must remember that next time I go to ArtZurich... no... hang on that's not right...
If you stopped buying so many watches at Zurich World you'd be able to afford to go.
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Old 11.09.2011, 19:17
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Must remember that next time I go to ArtZurich... no... hang on that's not right...
Because you really think that Basler buy at ArtBasel?
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Old 11.09.2011, 19:44
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well I needed to know since I am thinking of heading there or Bern next weekend for a day and night trip.

Just stopped in Basel once on my way to Paris so do not have much of a clue about it.

But what I have heard, it has a fantastic arts scene etc.
Too late if it was THIS weekend, but while Bern, our "Federal Village", is incredibly beautiful, Basel and its sister town across the border Mülhausen/Mulhouse are real cities. There in Basel of course are those of the "Deig" which is the inofficial aristocracy and a lot of rather arrogant people, most Baslers are nice and tolerant, even if I prefer the Mülhuuser folks. I during 3 weeks in "Federal" service near Basel almost each evening was in Basel Downtown and liked it. Why could I go so often ? Because the two higher ranking chaps in my team (Fourier+FourierGehilfe) stated that they could not bear those Baslers ! so that I took over all the "break-times" between 07.00 and 18.30 and stayed on in the office all-time but then could get off to BSL-DTWN. It is a nice city indeed with many nice bars and restaurants .... and a nice crowd. Some colleagues warned that they were anti-military to what I retorted "and so am I". And when anybody in downtown made a remark I countered that I was of the same opinion. If or ages had many friends of Basel-origin, possibly exactly because I accepted them. I always have had the xenophobes against me, and so was happy to have at least those Baaaslers on my side

No, Basel is a good place to go, not least in combination with MLH, but do not forget the truth in the old joke, "the best thing about Basel is the fast train back to Zurich"
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Old 11.09.2011, 19:52
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A) i agree that zurich can be annoyingly money/image/status oriented. some experiences:
B) as i don't need to wear a suit to work, i normally dress casually - so quite often, i noticed that people would ignore/blank me when i was dressed casually
C) one person i who was a FOAF basically ignored me for about 4 months until he learned that i had a senior position in a firm and thus was a useful contact after which he quickly got my contact details and started talking to me
D) girls who very unsubtly ask you a series of questions in the first 30 seconds designed to work out how much money you earn and your status within the company you work for - in one case, i brushed of the questions with vague answers and got 2 follow-up questions to work out exactly my job title and seniority! if anyone needs to know if they are being paid enough, just talk to a zurich girl - they will probably be able to tell you what you should be earning based on your company and job title
E) very image conscious. you will be looked down on if you don't look perfect and are wearing the right clothes. normally i dress like crap but on the few occasions where i make an effort, i do notice a big difference.
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A) no no, Zurich is NOT money/image/status oriented. Do not forget that the share of finance people among English speaking expats is most exceedingly high and so the expats in Zurich in a way have not too much to do with real Zurich
B) normal people in Zurich will NOT ignore you for a moment just because not appearing in a suit
C) that person does not need business contacts but a soul plumber
D) such generally heavily overpaid secretaries are on the lookout for an interesting "link-up"
E) you can find image conscious people everywhere, and in Zurich possibly even less than in many other places

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Old 11.09.2011, 19:59
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i don't need to wear a suit to work, i normally dress casually
Yes, when I first started working ZH back in '86, this was the case. I even started wearing a suit to work on Thursdays, to crate some motivation (because back in the US, that was the day I, my boss, and our VP would go to the local biker bar after work in suits, and have a good old time playing pool and enjoying the 25c beers). Alas, no-one else at work was interested in wearing ties, let alone suits, so I gave that up.

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Old 11.09.2011, 20:08
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I've been around for 20 years between Zürich, Geneva and Basel. It's hard to summarize a city in few words. I don't like generalisation too much, so frankly, both Zürich and Basel can be nice cities.
The only difference I would dare to formulate is about money. There is more money around in Zürich. Few negative consequences: lots of tasteless show off, but not only from the Swiss, and quite a large part of the population trying to keep up with money aristocracy and failing ridiculously. HOWEVER: Zürich's money pays for a lively city that one can enjoy and profit from even without playing richman. The lake would be sad without those expensives boats. Basel doesn't have that money, so doesn't have the life this money finances in Zürich but doesn't have the show off circus either. One could even say that Basel's money is concentrated in a very little overclass and the rest of the population is proud to be workers living in a city with good museums. Zürich has nice galleries, that's the difference: Zürcher money high class can pay for art, Basler can just afford to look at it.
But that is a generalization, the only one I dare to articulate here but still a generalization, by definition very imperfect.
A) the rich Basler who only look at their galleries but do not buy out of fear to be regarded as ..................... later on go to Zurich and purchase something of the kind they saw in the gallery back home
B) Basel DOES have the money, but people possibly have other priorities. Financially, Basel is on the same level as Zurich even if it lost the "title" of "the largest city of Switzerland" quite an age ago to Zurich. And the "workers" of Basel may be SP members but are mostly well-off middle-class. The museums of Basel are top-class as is their opera-house. I admit that in a performance there where our attendance was paid by our company, a colleague and mine dropped one part in favour a a most excellent bottle of red wine from Apulia ! no no non, I have no pity for the Basler ! they can/could afford whatever. BUT realise that having a nice boat on the Rhine does not bring prestige but to have a nice one on the Zürisee DOES. If you want to see 1000s of Basler as the rich men/women get over to Mülhausen and Colmar and go to the nicest restaurants and bars and watch and listen who buys the expensive enjoyments of life
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Old 11.09.2011, 20:58
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They seem quite friendly and open when approached
I think this is the key point. I thought they were grumpy as hell to start with, but have learned that they can be friendly and helpful - if you make the first move. I still have my moments with the staring thing though - even meeting their gaze and smiling sometimes just returns more stare.
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Old 12.09.2011, 00:21
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I think this is the key point. I thought they were grumpy as hell to start with, but have learned that they can be friendly and helpful - if you make the first move. I still have my moments with the staring thing though - even meeting their gaze and smiling sometimes just returns more stare.
When in the mountains, Baslers and Zürchers swiftly forget all their disagreements as they have the same predicament. Both, while being almost proud to be liberal and open-minded and forward-thinking are, by the "mountaineers" regarded as arrogant, straight, blunt, too direct for comfort, and too self-confident. Most Basler do not need to be "approached", but as being fairly talkative by Swiss-German standards, will most likely approach YOU. A difference between BS/BL and ZH is the speed. While you need a while to get included in a discussion in a restaurant/bar in Zurich, you in BS/BL will get included within a few minutes, and the Basler are very direct.
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Re: Swiss mentality in Basel and Zurich

Zuerchers are money mad, they are also extremly arrogant, hence why much of switzerland (especially baselers) hate them since they tend to look down on you if you are not from zurich. In Basel life revolves around two things beer and football, we love em both to the extreme. Baslers are generally more laid back and enjoy life. Now there is also sub units as mentioned above, in kliene basel that were most of the rich and the foreigners live, gross baslers is where the rest live. Baslers can be hostile to ousiders particularly germans, but if your not german and you seem like a good person baslers will generally speak to you. A simply big no is unlike in Zuircher dont show off your wealth, to baslers displaying wealth is an incredibly bad attribute, money is something to be talk about only with famly members and even then only on certain occasions.
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..., but do not forget the truth in the old joke, "the best thing about Basel is the fast train back to Zurich"
I hate to be pendantic, but you got that the wrong way round.

I know a couple of Basler "aristos". They seem perfectly normal to me, even though their house is way bigger than mine.
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Zuerchers are money mad, they are also extremly arrogant, hence why much of switzerland (especially baselers) hate them since they tend to look down on you if you are not from zurich. In Basel life revolves around two things beer and football, we love em both to the extreme. Baslers are generally more laid back and enjoy life. Now there is also sub units as mentioned above, in kliene basel that were most of the rich and the foreigners live, gross baslers is where the rest live. Baslers can be hostile to ousiders particularly germans, but if your not german and you seem like a good person baslers will generally speak to you. A simply big no is unlike in Zuircher dont show off your wealth, to baslers displaying wealth is an incredibly bad attribute, money is something to be talk about only with famly members and even then only on certain occasions.
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> Zürcher are not more money-mad than anyone else, or less
> Basler are seen as TOP arrogant, also in Zurich and Geneva, so that exactly the negative reputation of Zürich, Geneva and Basel at times leads to strange but nice alliances. To my experience the share of arrogant folks is far higher in Basel than in Zurich or in Geneva
> Live in Basel may revolve around football, but only as long as it is the FCB
> Many Basler are laid back but those in the upper echelons are quite the contrary.
> To presume that NON-Baslers do not enjoy life is a rather arrogant presumption
> the "Türkische Republik Klein Basel" is indeed a nice place
> Rich Zürcher do NOT show off their wealth at any time as such would be very bad style, to show off wealth is something reserved for visiting rich Aargauer-folks
> money in Zurich is something to be talked about with family members, and even this only at times
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I hate to be pendantic, but you got that the wrong way round.

I know a couple of Basler "aristos". They seem perfectly normal to me, even though their house is way bigger than mine.
Quite many Basler even clearly outside the "Deig" are most extremely arrogant and so while also not wanting to be pedantic, I think you simply did and do not see things as they are, I mean as they are from OUTside of BOTH Basel
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