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"no Party is illegal"

Is Zürich drifting into a repetition of the youth movement from the 60's.
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Bored kids kicking off, more like. Bet they wouldn't have put so much effort into their "protest" if it had been pissing with rain.
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Re: "no Party is illegal"

that's a bit of a quick generalization
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Nah, we were down the road from them - they were revelling in it at one of the scenes.
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"They"? Another generalization!
Well when is a party not a party and what makes it illegal?
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"They"? Another generalization!
Well when is a party not a party and what makes it illegal?
Sorry, "they" as in the people "generally" chucking restaurant tables and chairs around and "they" as in the people "generally" setting light to the wheelie bins.

I was generalising correctly, I believe...

Didn't really look like a party - no balloons or nibbles to be seen. Or did you happen to notice anything that looked remotely like a party while you were watching it all unfold?
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"They"? Another generalization!
Well when is a party not a party and what makes it illegal?
When they set fire to rubbish bins?
When they throw bicycle saddles?
When they steal bicycle saddles to throw?
When they vandalise private and public property?
When they cause a nuisance to other members of public?

I've thrown parties - and not once were police in riot gear and a water-cannon required to end it. I guess I just throw a crap party.
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Re: "no Party is illegal"

I was lucky. When I was growing up, if we wanted to party we would all just pile into cars and head off into the outback. No one to bother. No one to complain. We'd have a blast then drive back home the next day.
Here parties are impossible, and that would have annoyed me too I guess.
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I was lucky. When I was growing up, if we wanted to party we would all just pile into cars and head off into the outback. No one to bother. No one to complain. We'd have a blast then drive back home the next day.
Here parties are impossible, and that would have annoyed me too I guess.
Oh bullsh.. you can throw a party anytime. But what is required and most people (according to my interpretation of the "demo") are not willing to invest is effort.

If you simply expect others to provide public space (in a city of all places, and if possible until 5 AM) AND pick up your crap when you leave, you will most likely face stiff opposition. Call me an old git if you like..
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Oh bullsh.. you can throw a party anytime. But what is required and most people (according to my interpretation of the "demo") are not willing to invest is effort.

If you simply expect others to provide public space (in a city of all places, and if possible until 5 AM) AND pick up your crap when you leave, you will most likely face stiff opposition. Call me an old git if you like..
I really don't buy that they can't throw public parties. Bloody hell, the city is full of public parks which are full of people partying, I can't for the life of me get what these idiots are on about.

I do hope the ones caught get all the damages fined.
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"They"? Another generalization!
Well when is a party not a party and what makes it illegal?
You seem to be in support of it. For balance, what's your view on it?
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Well I think people have the right to celebrate on the streets without having to get permission to do it. Still it's not clear what exactly an " illegal" party is.
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Here parties are impossible
Not at all, where did you get that idea?

There are plenty of places to rent for parties, even the local woods in our town can be reserved for private parties, even past midnight! (on weekeneds)

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Well I think people have the right to celebrate on the streets without having to get permission to do it. Still it's not clear what exactly an " illegal" party is.
I don't think anyone is objecting to celebrating in the streets. I think the law steps in when it goes from private party to unauthorised public event, although where that fine line runs, I don't know.

I think most people were objecting to the costly hissy fit that ensued.

In my experience demos which get the backing of public opinion are usually just. This one seems to have been denounced by most people.
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Not at all, where did you get that idea?

There are plenty of places to rent for parties, even the local woods in our town can be reserved for private parties, even past midnight! (on weekeneds)

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Im not talking about renting a place.Where is the spontaneity in that?
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Re: "no Party is illegal"

The quote 'keine Party ist illegal' is taken from the Wikipedia reference-linkf***parade movement in Berlin. You should see it as part of a worldwide protest movement against commercialization of dance culture. These kids are protesting against the fact that the raves they organize under highway bridges or in the woods (as an alternative to hip clubs where always the same boring music is played, and few of them can actually afford) not bothering anyone (from experience when I was *ahem* a bit younger I know that most of them DO clean up after themselves), are often violently broken up by the police. Unfortunately organizers of protests like this often underestimate that 'rotten apples' between them are willing to use violence.
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When they set fire to rubbish bins?
When they throw bicycle saddles?
When they steal bicycle saddles to throw?
When they vandalise private and public property?
When they cause a nuisance to other members of public?

I've thrown parties - and not once were police in riot gear and a water-cannon required to end it. I guess I just throw a crap party.
It's good when you can admit you are crap.
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When they throw bicycle saddles?
When they steal bicycle saddles to throw?
Seriously, that's what passes for a riot in Zurich? Throwing bicycle saddles?


Were the cyclists still attached?
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The quote 'keine Party ist illegal' is taken from the Wikipedia reference-linkf***parade movement in Berlin. You should see it as part of a worldwide protest movement against commercialization of dance culture. These kids are protesting against the fact that the raves they organize under highway bridges or in the woods (as an alternative to hip clubs where always the same boring music is played, and few of them can actually afford) not bothering anyone (from experience when I was *ahem* a bit younger I know that most of them DO clean up after themselves), are often violently broken up by the police. Unfortunately organizers of protests like this often underestimate that 'rotten apples' between them are willing to use violence.
There's a very, very easy underlying principle which even these people would understand if they wanted to: allowed is what doesn't bother anyone.
You can party all you like in public places (parks, forests, lakeside) and as long as you don't bother others to the point that they have to call the police. That simple. We've thrown countless public parties when we were younger with music, alcohol and dozens of people, it's just when police/security arrived we had the decency to talk with them and if needed turn down the music or leave. You have no right to bother others or force your lifestyle onto them just as you don't want others to do the same with you. But anyway, these are the same pricks that go "demonstrate" on the 1st of May and on any other occasion, it's not that they're interested in a party.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_assembly
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unlawful_assembly
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