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greenmount 18.09.2011 13:30

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All the misconceptions I had were generously fulfilled, except this: have never believed the Swiss are natural queue jumpers..:rolleyes:

heckenhocker 18.09.2011 13:30

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Originally Posted by meloncollie (Post 1343203)
I stepped off the plane expecting Heidiland.

Instead, I found Kloten.

But did the Heidi-train between terminals not give you a nice welcome :D

Guest 18.09.2011 13:36

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Originally Posted by greenmount (Post 1343210)
All the misconceptions I had were generously fulfilled, except this: have never believed the Swiss are natural queue jumpers..:rolleyes:

Yes, I thought they would have been worse than the Brits for queueing (all that orderliness) but queuing must be the exception for the rule. Zurich is worse than Paris for shoving. Other cities less so, I think.

18.09.2011 14:39

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Originally Posted by Wollishofener (Post 1343179)
And what exactly is the point ? Is there really one ? :D

The point my dear wolli is that this is a misconception thread. This is simply what we thought it would be like in Switzerland before we came here.

Of course the things written in this thread are incorrect...otherwise they wouldn't be misconceptions. We don't need you to tell us why what we thought before we came here is wrong.

Guest 18.09.2011 14:52

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Well having read EF, I thought you couldn't find all sorts of different brown sugar in CH and I am happy to say that is defo not true.

OSueco 18.09.2011 15:52

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Originally Posted by Wollishofener (Post 1343168)
Sure, I fear he thought that also people in the city would greet you everywhere in the most friendly way and would enter into a nice chat with everybody ;)
and possibly thought that there would be no xenophobism in Switzerland :p
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"The customer is king" ("der Kunde ist König") is a basic principle here in retail, gastronomy and hotellery.
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Since when are people in rich countries happy and satisfied ? So, why should the Swiss be satisfied and happy ? Should people be happy about the weather today ?

I think you misunderstand the topic...it's about misconception that people had about Switzerland before arriving here...sigh

bertrand 18.09.2011 16:11

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SO which place to pick ?


B.


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Originally Posted by Mowvich (Post 1342381)
I thought CH was all Chalets and farms, was surprised to find cities
I thought people in the street would be so friendly and outgoing, definitely was so wrong
I though it would be so ethical, neutral and fair, all i found was cartels, xenophobic and corrupt.
I thought working here would be more chilled out, relaxed and more creative, definitely it's the opposite.
I thought i would have a better life style than i had back home, definitely CH was degrading of my life style / career


Captain Greybeard 18.09.2011 16:35

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Originally Posted by Wollishofener (Post 1343168)
"The customer is king" ("der Kunde ist König") is a basic principle here in retail, gastronomy and hotellery.

Wolli, this is not the Jokes section of EF.

magyir 18.09.2011 17:13

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I'd like to add not expecting to be so "Switzerlanded" when dealing with local service providers.

Some of the fees are particularly creative. I'll certainly consult with some if I ever become self-employed. My favorite is the "check" fee when purchasing prescriptions at the chemist. I'm sorry but don't you have sufficient margin to sell me what I need rather than something else!?

I guess it's instrumental in ensuring that anyone can have a really good standard of living here if they can both work and charge for it to a high standard.

Sky 18.09.2011 17:40

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I don't know what I thought.... as I can not compare
This is perhaps, the only thread where a native would have difficulty constructing an opinion.

Lakeside 18.09.2011 18:53

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I thought people would be as friendly and as well-mannered as where I grew up - I was in for a bit of a shock... (move to Geneva)

then the culture shock between Geneva and Zurich :)

I do not think there is a "Swiss culture" - it is more regional than that. Even the Baslers are different to the Zürchers in many subtle ways.

Faltrad 18.09.2011 18:55

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Originally Posted by Lakeside (Post 1343501)
Even the Baslers are different to the Zürchers in many subtle ways.

It's not that subtle. :D

st2lemans 18.09.2011 19:11

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Originally Posted by HollidayG (Post 1343065)
I thought the Swiss would be efficient. Contrary, they create
huge bureaucracies that only a few people understand.

You've never been to Italy, France or Germany, have you (or anywhere else in the EU). :rolleyes:

Tom

AnnieShine 18.09.2011 19:15

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I thought a country that prides itself on being one of the most medically 'developed' in the world would not recommend TEA as a possible solution to everything from labour pains to arthritis. Give me a break (and some pethadine). Is this seriously what my health insurance company is destroying my life for?

Lakeside 18.09.2011 19:35

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Originally Posted by Faltrad (Post 1343508)
It's not that subtle. :D

ok - obvious then

can you name a few obvious ones? (try to be fair :) - I know you live in Basle)

Captain Greybeard 18.09.2011 19:42

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Originally Posted by AnnieShine (Post 1343532)
I thought a country that prides itself on being one of the most medically 'developed' in the world would not recommend TEA as a possible solution to everything from labour pains to arthritis. Give me a break (and some pethadine). Is this seriously what my health insurance company is destroying my life for?

How does the country pride itself on being one of the most medically 'developed' in the world? Does the government do that? Or a general assembly of the people? Or a vote on federal level? Or the Illuminati majority of the parliament?

How does the country recommend TEA as a possible solution for everything from labour pains to arthritis? Does the government do that? Or a general assembly of the people? Or a vote on federla level? Or the Illuminati majority of the parliament?

You are on the right thread, though. Thinking some people or publications in a country stand for the entire country sure IS a misconception.

J_T 18.09.2011 19:50

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...for that matter, in reality, a "country" is an intellectual human invention not recognized by anything natural whatsoever..

Guest 18.09.2011 20:05

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Originally Posted by Sky (Post 1343392)
I don't know what I thought.... as I can not compare
This is perhaps, the only thread where a native would have difficulty constructing an opinion.

Unless they've lived abroad for most of their adult life, perhaps?;)

Pancakes 18.09.2011 20:06

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Originally Posted by AnnieShine (Post 1343532)
I thought a country that prides itself on being one of the most medically 'developed' in the world would not recommend TEA as a possible solution to everything from labour pains to arthritis. Give me a break (and some pethadine). Is this seriously what my health insurance company is destroying my life for?

I have to agree...

Because while I do appreciate "natural remedies" when they actually work, I have also found that medicines here seem to be a bit old school -- and that the selection is poor. And I really don't like having to explain my symptoms, etc. to someone at the Apotheke rather than just being able to grab it off a shelf and read the box myself.

Not to mention the fact that the Swiss seem to be ALL about the suppositories! :eek:

Sagitta 18.09.2011 20:17

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A subjective list of surprises:
- cows and sheep graze in the heart of the city (ETH Hönggerberg);
- Swiss German: quite pleasing to the ear, often hilarious;
- Zurich is not a concrete desert: one can live near HB and near a forest;
- social life so hard to come by: lots of planning, little spontaneity;
- everything takes forever: Switzerland runs on a different time dimension and nobody is ever in a hurry.
Generally, I was very surprised how quickly I started to feel that this is the right place for me to be.

Guest 18.09.2011 20:18

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Originally Posted by AnnieShine (Post 1343532)
I thought a country that prides itself on being one of the most medically 'developed' in the world would not recommend TEA as a possible solution to everything from labour pains to arthritis. Give me a break (and some pethadine). Is this seriously what my health insurance company is destroying my life for?

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Originally Posted by Carrie F (Post 1343586)
I have to agree...

Because while I do appreciate "natural remedies" when they actually work, I have also found that medicines here seem to be a bit old school -- and that the selection is poor. And I really don't like having to explain my symptoms, etc. to someone at the Apotheke rather than just being able to grab it off a shelf and read the box myself.

Not to mention the fact that the Swiss seem to be ALL about the suppositories! :eek:

I like the approach here which seems to guard against people overmedicating or medicating when it's not needed. The UK is only just beginning to see the errors of the past; giving out antibiotics like sweets. My sister was really annoyed last week because her doctor didn't prescribe antibiotics for her daughter's sore throat. Having asked her this afternoon how things were, she admitted it had got better on its own.

I think whereas this makes Switzerland seem "old school" on the medicine front, it's actually more advanced, identifying the problem of overmedicating and acting upon it.

Having said that, my sister was working in Dublin in the 1990s and a close work colleague had a suspected ectopic pregnancy. The doctor there told her to drink cranberry juice and come back in a couple of days. Maybe this has changed her view of doctors and medication... :msnsad:

OSueco 18.09.2011 20:26

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Originally Posted by st2lemans (Post 1343527)
You've never been to Italy, France or Germany, have you (or anywhere else in the EU). :rolleyes:

Tom

once again...misconceptions about Switzerland before people came here, why is it relevant how it is in other countries??? :confused: it has nothing to do with the topic...I understand that it's hard to hear for "swiss" :rolleyes:

Guest 18.09.2011 20:35

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Originally Posted by OSueco (Post 1343610)
once again...misconceptions about Switzerland before people came here, why is it relevant how it is in other countries??? :confused: it has nothing to do with the topic...I understand that it's hard to hear for "swiss" :rolleyes:

It's actually not too far off the mark, though. If someone has lived in and around a few different countries it probably changes their preconceptions about Switzerland.

I came directly from the UK so had a "UK-stamped" view of Switzerland. If I'd been living in, say, Germany I would have probably had my head filled with a different slant on the Swiss and their country / culture.

The Brits see the Swiss as seriously efficient and quality driven with punctual trains and accurate watches. i think the Germans see them as slightly slow with a weird language and their country bumpkin cousins.

Err... or something... :msnblush:

cannut 18.09.2011 20:48

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I left Switzerland because the toilet paper is to rough :D Have more room to getting around ,not have to jump left or right ,not to run in someone els :eek: don`t have to take a number and stand in line to catch a fish;)

Wollishofener 18.09.2011 21:02

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Originally Posted by porsch1909 (Post 1343274)
The point my dear wolli is that this is a misconception thread. This is simply what we thought it would be like in Switzerland before we came here.

Of course the things written in this thread are incorrect...otherwise they wouldn't be misconceptions. We don't need you to tell us why what we thought before we came here is wrong.

Sure, but this is the case wherever you move. Even if you are nicely informed, realities may still be different. If it is just a holiday-stay, some surprises can easily be absorbed, but if it is life it is more difficult. To have expectations which the new place does not and cannot meat is a tragic matter. Even if you only go to somewhere for 3 months, you should explore the place on a holiday-trip. If you want to move places, you should go to the destination place for two or three weeks to explore it a bit. I knew two Algerian-Swiss couples. Both women before marrying went on holidays to Algeria, and not only liked the families of their husbands "in spe" but later on on holidays stayed there even when the Algerian husbands had to return to Zürich. At the other hand, BOTH Algerians had visited Zürich before moving over and had seen that the place was acceptable to them. All four persons were aware of the beauties and of the shortcomings of both countries. Sure, CH + DZ since the highdays of Bundesrat Friedrich Traugott Wahlen of course are a kind of sister republics ! even if the fate of the two republics made a difference

cannut 18.09.2011 21:08

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Originally Posted by Wollishofener (Post 1343655)
Sure, but this is the case wherever you move. Even if you are nicely informed, realities may still be different. If it is just a holiday-stay, some surprises can easily be absorbed, but if it is life it is more difficult. To have expectations which the new place does not and cannot meat is a tragic matter. Even if you only go to somewhere for 3 months, you should explore the place on a holiday-trip. If you want to move places, you should go to the destination place for two or three weeks to explore it a bit. I knew two Algerian-Swiss couples. Both women before marrying went on holidays to Algeria, and not only liked the families of their husbands "in spe" but later on on holidays stayed there even when the Algerian husbands had to return to Zürich. At the other hand, BOTH Algerians had visited Zürich before moving over and had seen that the place was acceptable to them. All four persons were aware of the beauties and of the shortcomings of both countries. Sure, CH + DZ since the highdays of Bundesrat Friedrich Traugott Wahlen of course are a kind of sister republics ! even if the fate of the two republics made a difference

Wolly I think you should repeat the last grade(School) :msnshock:;) "Gedanken sind Frei"

HollidayG 18.09.2011 21:09

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Originally Posted by st2lemans (Post 1343527)
You've never been to Italy, France or Germany, have you (or anywhere else in the EU). :rolleyes:

Tom

I have worked in Germany, France, US, Canada, and now Switzerland.

So yes, I have worked in other EU countries.

Wollishofener 18.09.2011 21:10

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Yes, I thought they would have been worse than the Brits for queueing (all that orderliness) but queuing must be the exception for the rule. Zurich is worse than Paris for shoving. Other cities less so, I think.
Ever been on Metro Line ONE or SEVEN

http://www.ratp.fr/informer/pdf/orie...m7&loc=reseaux

for example at "Châtelet" ?? If there you will see what REAL shoving is like and you will love the smallish attempts done here in this regard :D

Guest 18.09.2011 21:22

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Originally Posted by Wollishofener (Post 1343663)
Ever been on Metro Line ONE or SEVEN

http://www.ratp.fr/informer/pdf/orie...m7&loc=reseaux

for example at "Châtelet" ?? If there you will see what REAL shoving is like and you will love the smallish attempts done here in this regard :D

Paradeplatz, Fridays 5.30 pm, pissing rain, approaching tram. Don't forget your gum shield and steel-capped boots.

Textoch 18.09.2011 21:26

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I had no idea that:

The Swiss are so keen on laundry detergent with flowery perfume scents.

The cured meat section of grocery stores in Switzerland would be big enough to properly be called a "department."

Anti-perspirant/deodorants (combined) wouldn't be available here (have to choose one or the other).

Drivers would be, more times than not, courteous by letting you in during backed-up traffic and acknowledging w/ a nod or wave if you do the same for them.

You can recycle practically everything here, but collecting it, sorting it, storing it, transporting it, and composting can easily be a part-time job.

Public restrooms would be, by and large, clean and private, since they are rooms instead of stalls.

Siorys 18.09.2011 21:42

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Before I came here i thought:

- That you didn't have to pay for parking at IKEA. Give me a break...

- That Swiss German was an astoundingly difficult abomination that was created out of satan's belch. I'm here almost a month, I can mostly understand it (when spoken a bit slower) and I think it sounds quite agreeable.

- That vegetables are colorless, tasteless and have the texture of unripe apples. I was surprised to find that local products are much better than the ones from back home (a Mediterranean country with a bad debt crisis which shall not be named).

- That people use paper napkins. Thank god I have sleeves...

- That ice-cream was called glace without pronouncing the e. When I asked for one, I got a glass.

- That toilet paper has 2 layers. Until I saw one with 5 layers. I think it's a bit wasteful!

- That Switzerand uses the european Schuko plugs. Instead it uses the most dangerous plug I've ever seen.

st2lemans 18.09.2011 22:22

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Originally Posted by OSueco (Post 1343610)
once again...misconceptions about Switzerland before people came here, why is it relevant how it is in other countries??? :confused: it has nothing to do with the topic...I understand that it's hard to hear for "swiss" :rolleyes:

Actually, it does, as compared to anywhere else I find Switzerland to be FAR LESS bureaucratic! :eek:

Therefore, it is a misconception that Switzerland is bureaucratic! :p

Of course, I live in Ticino. :D

Tom

marton 18.09.2011 22:29

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I thought the local ladies would be incredibly beautiful (best plastic surgeons in Europe) & wild in bed.
I suppose 1 out of 2 is not bad :confused:

Joy2 18.09.2011 22:39

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That "the wheels" would turn sooooo slowly.

That no Swiss would ever speak to me in Schweizerdeutsch -- only (an approximation of) Hochdeutsch -- although I understand much of what is said in dialect.

I have found most people to be really very friendly once I begin speaking with them at length. Not sure what I am missing there, but I did not come expecting any degree of extroversion.

Captain Greybeard 18.09.2011 23:03

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Originally Posted by Siorys (Post 1343713)
Before I came here i thought:

- That you didn't have to pay for parking at IKEA. Give me a break...
[....]
- That ice-cream was called glace without pronouncing the e. When I asked for one, I got a glass.
[....]
- That toilet paper has 2 layers. Until I saw one with 5 layers. I think it's a bit wasteful!

I hope I don't sound too wolliish when I try to make some things clear:

- It's not Ikea (etc.) but the pressure by the Greens that causes the parking fees. Stores and malls are forced to introduce fees in order to make customers use public transporation, which, in view of the location of those big stores, will never work.

- It's a funny Swiss German peculiarity that "Glace" is pronounced as if it were spelled "glacé." The opposite applies to the French word "panaché," which is pronounced like "panache" when used in Swiss German. Languages never are logical.

- I spent about a year and a half in an unnamed mediterranean country (hint: starts with "G-" and ends with "-reece"). After a lot of very practical experience with their look-through toilet paper (read: crap under my fingernails) I realized that I prefer Swiss toilet paper anytime. Same in the USA, by the way: They traveled to the moon decades ago, but they still can't make a toilet paper that doesn't need being folded eight times. Now that's what I call wasteful.

18.09.2011 23:08

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After living in Munich for 12 years, I came here ill prepared. I expected non stressed, friendly southern Germans.

My first customer call was to the ministry of planning in Bern, where the receptionist was stressed, and I couldn't understand a word he spoke. I thought he said "Your customer is in the elevator drinking a cup of tea" Bewilderingly I said "Excuse me" and explained I hadn't understood. He replied in German "No, YOU go in the elevator and press button 'T'." This was quite a shock to me, as I had been working in the German language for 12 years, from Hamburg to Graz, and never had a problem of this magnitude before. Happily I discovered the Romandie could speak properly.

A few years later I was working in the SBB workshops in Brigg VS, a region rumoured to have a difficult dialect. On the second day I remarked to the customer at lunchtime, that I was pleased I could now, but with difficulty, understand the Walliser dialect. He replied "What dialect? Because of you we have been speaking high German for the past two days!" Oh deary me...
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Phil_MCR 18.09.2011 23:14

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Originally Posted by Ittigen (Post 1343809)
On the second day I remarked to the customer at lunchtime, that I was pleased I could now, but with difficulty, understand the Walliser dialect. He replied "What dialect? Because of you we have been speaking high German for the past two days!" Oh deary me...
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great story! :rofl:

phdoofus 18.09.2011 23:15

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Originally Posted by marton (Post 1343756)
I thought the local ladies would be incredibly beautiful (best plastic surgeons in Europe) & wild in bed.
I suppose 1 out of 2 is not bad :confused:

Well, yes, they ARE local. :D

Pancakes 18.09.2011 23:20

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Originally Posted by marton (Post 1343756)
I thought the local ladies would be incredibly beautiful (best plastic surgeons in Europe) & wild in bed.
I suppose 1 out of 2 is not bad :confused:

But is it true that they yodel when they orgasm? :msnsarcastic:

Hedgehog of death 18.09.2011 23:23

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Originally Posted by Carrie F (Post 1343822)
But is it true that they yodel when they orgasm? :msnsarcastic:

Who cares .... :D


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