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hang on, your boyfriend dresses up as a woman and has you fighting his battles?

I feel those closet doors opening......!!




Just kidding, it's probably some confused drunkard who clearly, with his one-word insult, can't comprehend that people might like to dress up for the party. He's probably more confused now having been abused by a woman.

I wonder what he told his Mum when she brought him breakfast in bed next morning?
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Old 26.09.2011, 10:58
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Oh Jesus, not more bloody faggots
That is such a gay photo.
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... threw a lit cigarette at him and called him a f**. ....
Are you sure he wasn't offering him a fag?

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That is such a gay photo.
that's a queer comment....
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Maybe he just didn't like the dress?
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Old 26.09.2011, 11:07
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Re: Is homophobia still an issue in Switzerland?

Thanks for the replies - it certainly didn't ruin our FdV, we were just taken aback by it. For me, the most surprising thing was his age. I would have understood if he'd been 80 or so, but 20?!!

I'd love to post pics, but I'm sure my OH wouldn't be too happy about it!
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Come on- if he was up for walking the streets of Neuch in drag - a few pics on EF wouldn't hurt, hey,
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I would hardly desribe Switzerland as the most progressive country in the world, but there was an incident this weekend which surprised me.

My boyfriend came out to the Fęte des Vendanges wearing a dress, make-up, heels etc (he has embraced the British love of fancy dress). Most people laughed, but one guy who was about 20 or so threw a lit cigarette at him and called him a f**. It doesn't make a jot of difference that he isn't gay, but I suppose the standard reaction to someone saying that to you is to correct them, which my boyfriend did (actually pointing out that I was his girlfriend). The guy wouldn't back off and kept saying what a disgusting f** he was, and in the end I couldn't control myself, told him to f*** off and gave him a couple of good, hard shoves. The guy looked extremely confused, like he didn't know what to do. I then had to stop my boyfriend going for him (hypocritical as that is).

It was weird, the guy was openly and aggressively homophobic, but so chivalrous as to not hit a girl, even when she's pushing him.

We were both genuinely shocked that someone would be so unabashedly homophobic. I realise it's just one individual, but is the attitude something which is common here?
Sounds like he was going on about it a bit TOO much, if you get what I mean. Maybe he was battling with his own orientation?

I don't think there is so much homophobia in the cities - anything goes and there is a real mix of people and scenes to accommodate them. My guess is as you go out into the countryside more outdated values are not so out of date there and it's acceptable to do a bit of gay-bashing. Maybe Mr Aggressive was from out in the sticks somewhere?
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I'm not so sure there is a "very small minotiry" of homophobic youngsters. Maybe in Zurich (city), Lausanne or Geneva, but definitely not everywhere.

IMHO, the answer to the first question is YES, definitely. Switzerland is still very conservative in many ways and one of them is the view of swiss people hold in regards to homosexuality, and that agresiveness is something I myself as an homosexual myself do feel. I don't say it is normal for someone to insult a gay guy or girl on the street, but the reason for which that doesn't happen more often isn't a general open mindness of the population but the always present issue of privacy and "fear" of the stranger that citizens from this country have.
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Re: Is homophobia still an issue in Switzerland?

I think its a pretty global thing that some people feel uncomfortable with homosexuality or at least find it strange/weird/different.
I have not ever had someone blatantly treat me in that way. But I do often get stares or double glances when I walk around holding my husband hand. But then again I guess its coz people dont really expect an over 6 foot tall large built black guy to be holding another guys hand. I find it quite funny how many heads turn sometimes.

Luckily none of my expriences have been of a malicious or aggressive nature. I do know many though who have not been so lucky. I think its still a while to go before the world is "ok" with us.
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I think its a pretty global thing that some people feel uncomfortable with homosexuality or at least find it strange/weird/different.
I have not ever had someone blatantly treat me in that way. But I do often get stares or double glances when I walk around holding my husband hand. But then again I guess its coz people dont really expect an over 6 foot tall large built black guy to be holding another guys hand. I find it quite funny how many heads turn sometimes.

Luckily none of my expriences have been of a malicious or aggressive nature. I do know many though who have not been so lucky. I think its still a while to go before the world is "ok" with us.
Some of them could just be viewing you as a good-looking couple. I admit I have a quick glance at couples that look gorgeous together, gay or straight.
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Old 26.09.2011, 12:52
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I think its a pretty global thing that some people feel uncomfortable with homosexuality or at least find it strange/weird/different.
I have not ever had someone blatantly treat me in that way. But I do often get stares or double glances when I walk around holding my husband hand. But then again I guess its coz people dont really expect an over 6 foot tall large built black guy to be holding another guys hand. I find it quite funny how many heads turn sometimes.

Luckily none of my expriences have been of a malicious or aggressive nature. I do know many though who have not been so lucky. I think its still a while to go before the world is "ok" with us.
Some of them could just be viewing you as a good-looking couple. I admit I have a quick glance at couples that look gorgeous together, gay or straight.
It catches my eye when I see two guys holding hands, but not because they're gay or anything but because it simply is not common to see guys holding hands with each other.

I mean, my friends and I hold hands if we're walking through a crowd and don't want to lose each other, or if we've been drinking and are being all clingy, or if one or the other (or both) are going through something and we're talking and walking, it makes it feel closer. So, women holding hands isn't something unusual at all for me.

Also, some of the guys I know are not demonstrative and avoid PDAs (gay and straight alike), so this is another reason for it to be an eye-catcher for me. The more guys involved, the more likely it seems to me that there would be someone against PDAs involved.

So, I'm not homophobic, but I'm afraid I might be sexist. (At least when it comes to expectation of PDAs)


Meanwhile, as Sandgrounder says too, cute / well matched couples grab attention as well, no matter what mix of people are involved. I happened to notice a very sweet couple yesterday, the woman appeared to be a good 10 or so years older than her husband and they were holding hands. So sweet.

People look at my husband and I often too, I figure that it's because I'm fat and short and he's tall and fairly handsome... but maybe it's because we look cute and sweet walking around holding hands.
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I'm not so sure there is a "very small minotiry" of homophobic youngsters. Maybe in Zurich (city), Lausanne or Geneva, but definitely not everywhere.

IMHO, the answer to the first question is YES, definitely. Switzerland is still very conservative in many ways and one of them is the view of swiss people hold in regards to homosexuality, and that agresiveness is something I myself as an homosexual myself do feel. I don't say it is normal for someone to insult a gay guy or girl on the street, but the reason for which that doesn't happen more often isn't a general open mindness of the population but the always present issue of privacy and "fear" of the stranger that citizens from this country have.
Agreed.
My brother is gay and that wasn't well received by my Swiss In-Laws, who are 'Christians'.
Conservatism, religious views and wonderfully-isolated ignorance play a large part here.
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The guy was drunk, so he lost it. He might be perfectly tolerant in everyday, sober life.
Not picking on your post but am I the only one who thinks that knobs when drunk act like knobs, decent people when drunk still don't act like knobs?
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...But then again I guess its coz people dont really expect an over 6 foot tall large built black guy to be holding another guys hand...
Some of my male Indian colleagues told me that during their orientation, (or should that be occidentation ) they were warned not to hold hands with their (male) friends in public as it might attract comment. Apparently it was something they were quite happy to do in their homeland.

Shame really.
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Not picking on your post but am I the only one who thinks that knobs when drunk act like knobs, decent people when drunk still don't act like knobs?
I'm not so sure, I can act pretty knobish when I've had a few
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Not picking on your post but am I the only one who thinks that knobs when drunk act like knobs, decent people when drunk still don't act like knobs?
No, you are not alone in thinking this. I couldn't agree more!

And Paddy - 'knobbish' has 2 'bs'.
(Now I'm being a knob, if a girl can be, that is...??)
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I'm not so sure, I can act pretty knobish when I've had a few
Yeah but you are knobbish even when sober so does not apply to you
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No, you are not alone in thinking this. I couldn't agree more!

And Paddy - 'knobbish' has 2 'bs'.
(Now I'm being a knob, if a girl can be, that is...??)
I'm not even sure it exists as a word, so I will spell it how I bloody well like.

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Yeah but you are knobbish even when sober so does not apply to you
Hmm, I was waiting for that.
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