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Re: Is homophobia still an issue in Switzerland?

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Not picking on your post but am I the only one who thinks that knobs when drunk act like knobs, decent people when drunk still don't act like knobs?
Ehh, to a point. I've certainly done and said stuff while drunk that would be behavior completely uncharacteristic to how I am 99.9% of the time. "In vino veritas" is just a saying and alcohol is not the truth serum some people make it out to be. I'm not implying that it should clear people of responsibility for what they do, but it can lead to people divulging and distorting inner minority thoughts and giving in to certain impulses they normally have the sense not to. Saying things you wouldn't normally say doesn't mean it's necessarily truth that guides your life. If everyone suddenly started saying out loud every thought that crossed their minds, society as we know it would collapse.
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Old 26.09.2011, 13:32
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Ehh, to a point. I've certainly done and said stuff while drunk that would be behavior completely uncharacteristic to how I am 99.9% of the time. "In vino veritas" is just a saying and alcohol is not the truth serum some people make it out to be. I'm not implying that it should clear people of responsibility for what they do, but it can lead to people divulging and distorting inner minority thoughts and giving in to certain impulses they normally have the sense not to. Saying things you wouldn't normally say doesn't mean it's necessarily truth that guides your life. If everyone suddenly started saying out loud every thought that crossed their minds, society as we know it would collapse.
I completely agree with you and had the same thoughts in mind when I read the OP. People restrain themselves way less when intoxicated. There are other moments where you get honest cultural believes out of people, like, kids, teens, when they haven't developed their inner pc filter yet. And that's then when you actually start comparing what it ok to say or think here and elsewhere.
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Old 26.09.2011, 13:38
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I completely agree with you and had the same thoughts in mind when I read the OP. People restrain themselves way less when intoxicated. There are other moments where you get honest cultural believes out of people, like, kids, teens, when they haven't developed their inner pc filter yet. And that's then when you actually start comparing what it ok to say or think here and elsewhere.
It's true. I'm a lot more flirty and soooo much less uptight when someone's spiked my diet coke. Maybe I should drunk-post on EF more often...
speaking of drunk posting...
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Old 26.09.2011, 13:46
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Re: Is homophobia still an issue in Switzerland?

My gay friend Colin would agree with you. He made a game out of seducing Homophobic men because it was so easy to do, according to him the more they were vocal about being anti-gay the more they really wanted to give it a try.

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Old 26.09.2011, 13:52
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It's true. I'm a lot more flirty and soooo much less uptight when someone's spiked my diet coke. Maybe I should drunk-post on EF more often...
speaking of drunk posting...
Hahahah...I didn't actually mean that gay people losen up when tipsy, though some probably do, who cares. Spiked coke, anytime ..Cuba Libre, hmmmm. Well, not now, since I still have whatever it is I have, fever.
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Old 26.09.2011, 14:00
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My gay friend Colin would agree with you. He made a game out of seducing Homophobic men because it was so easy to do, according to him the more they were vocal about being anti-gay the more they really wanted to give it a try.
So, cos I'm not vocal at all, I'm going to me left on the shelf.
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Old 26.09.2011, 14:00
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I would hardly desribe Switzerland as the most progressive country in the world, but there was an incident this weekend which surprised me.

My boyfriend came out to the Fęte des Vendanges wearing a dress, make-up, heels etc (he has embraced the British love of fancy dress). Most people laughed, but one guy who was about 20 or so threw a lit cigarette at him and called him a f**. It doesn't make a jot of difference that he isn't gay, but I suppose the standard reaction to someone saying that to you is to correct them, which my boyfriend did (actually pointing out that I was his girlfriend). The guy wouldn't back off and kept saying what a disgusting f** he was, and in the end I couldn't control myself, told him to f*** off and gave him a couple of good, hard shoves. The guy looked extremely confused, like he didn't know what to do. I then had to stop my boyfriend going for him (hypocritical as that is).

It was weird, the guy was openly and aggressively homophobic, but so chivalrous as to not hit a girl, even when she's pushing him.

We were both genuinely shocked that someone would be so unabashedly homophobic. I realise it's just one individual, but is the attitude something which is common here?
Am I correct saying homophobia is more of an issue in the southern, more conservative parts of Switzerland? Look at Zurich and the Street Parade, whilst not being a gay parade as such, it is very camp, but with hardly any problems that I've heard of.
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Am I correct saying homophobia is more of an issue in the southern, more conservative parts of Switzerland? Look at Zurich and the Street Parade, whilst not being a gay parade as such, it is very camp, but with hardly any problems that I've heard of.
Not to mention The Christopher Street Parade.
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Am I correct saying homophobia is more of an issue in the southern, more conservative parts of Switzerland? Look at Zurich and the Street Parade, whilst not being a gay parade as such, it is very camp, but with hardly any problems that I've heard of.
You think Southern Switzerland (or do you mean Romandie?) is more conservative? Based on voting tendencies, I would have said it was the other way round.
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Old 26.09.2011, 14:06
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It's true. I'm a lot more flirty and soooo much less uptight when someone's spiked my diet coke.
Cool. Fancy a drink then?
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Old 26.09.2011, 14:06
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Am I correct saying homophobia is more of an issue in the southern, more conservative parts of Switzerland? Look at Zurich and the Street Parade, whilst not being a gay parade as such, it is very camp, but with hardly any problems that I've heard of.

I may be wrong here but I always considered the southern parts of Switzerland to be far less conservative than the north.

Just my observations though so I may be completely wrong.
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Re: Is homophobia still an issue in Switzerland?

Generally speaking I'd say that central CH is much more conservative.
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Cool. Fancy a drink then?
Oh, I daren't. Or mightn't I? Hmm... what would Mrs. G say?
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Some of my male Indian colleagues told me that during their orientation, (or should that be occidentation ) they were warned not to hold hands with their (male) friends in public as it might attract comment. Apparently it was something they were quite happy to do in their homeland.

Shame really.
It's also common to see grown men holding hands (or more precisely, holding interlocking little fingers) in many countries in West Africa (not sure about the rest of Africa), as well as the middle east I believe, but unfortunately because of the rise of homophobia in many of these countries (particularly the cities) such seemingly innocent gestures of male friendship are now less and less evident. I always get a kick out of it and think it very sweet and charming.

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Re: Is homophobia still an issue in Switzerland?

ok slightly off topic (ok completely off topic) but couldn't resist.....
Too cute not to share.



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Old 26.09.2011, 16:31
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For me, the most surprising thing was his age. I would have understood if he'd been 80 or so, but 20?!!
Are you implying that people get more idiotic with age? That's fairly discriminating.

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Old 26.09.2011, 18:32
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Re: Is homophobia still an issue in Switzerland?

In Barça, I see a lot of Gays and Lesbians. To be completely honest, I find it refreshing!

To see people perfectly open and secure to express their orientation is a great plus in a city and culture.

I find it sexy and cute.
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Re: Is homophobia still an issue in Switzerland?

Live and let live.
Thank goodness that the type of ugly individual that Mr n' Mrs Kamarate met, is becoming more rare these days.
Sad really.. just walk away.
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Old 26.09.2011, 20:33
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Re: Is homophobia still an issue in Switzerland?

I'd just like to reply to some of the posts regarding the fact that the guy was drunk and that people don't act like themselves when they're drunk, or they do something uncharacteristic. I wouldn't normally shove someone sober (although I still would have told him to eff off). However, I don't see how drinking makes you develop a prejudice (or, in this case hatred) for a group of people. He threw a lit cigarette at him, for Christ's sake. Obviously it's how the guy really feels, but keeps it buried normally (I should bloody well hope anyway).

Very sad.
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Re: Is homophobia still an issue in Switzerland?

There are homophobes of all ages, everywhere. (If anything, I've found really old people to be very tolerant, because they've been through life and appear to realize that it doesn't really matter who you love.)

Regardless, I think Switzerland is in many parts quite intolerant, but because of the Swiss tendency to be reserved, even most homophobes won't actually hassle you about it.

When I've walked through town holding a boyfriend's hand, I've heard the occasional comment (not directed at me, just the "Did you see those two fags?" kind of thing), but that's it. I can think of a lot worse places to be an out gay person.
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