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I wouldn't worry, I think people understand the idea of Halloween for kids, but they don't get the idea of fancy dress for adults.
To be fair, neither do I but I wouldn't say anything to their face. They are happy prancing about dressed as 6ft pumpkin; I just think they look like a cock.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion but that doesn't mean people can't feel comfortable whichever way they see it.
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There is a difference between being openly gay and holding hands with your partner, and being dressed in drag, although neither should attract violence or discrimination.

I think the two subjects shouldn't be confused, that's all. The gay men I know probably wouldn't be seen dead wearing a drag costume and most prefer to dress in a fastidiously smart way and take longer to get ready than I do (but that's another story).

I've seen lots of gay couples in and around Zurich both out during the day and so far have never seen any negativity towards them.
The problem here is totally related to each other. Because they assume the drag is gay. While a drag may or may not be gay, a gay may or may not be a drag.

So while both of us know this, those idiots Kamarate's boyfriend had the priviledge to meet, obviously missed the basic education about human nature and diversity.
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Re: Is homophobia still an issue in Switzerland?

Could have been worse. Had he been in the Castro he might have been gang raped! ha ha...

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I just wish these guys could understand what a costume is and stop being such raging homophobes. I told him he could dress as a woman for December 31st as we'll be in England!
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Could have been worse. Had he been in the Castro he might have been gang raped! ha ha...
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Old 30.10.2011, 12:18
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Re: Is homophobia still an issue in Switzerland?

awesomeness of a costume...in your eyes, fine. i hate homophobe bullies (i think its indicating they´re gays themselfes....) i hate costumes, i hate halloween, i hate fasnacht. halloween for me is a custom i have nothing to do with. its a celtic custom but was re-imported from the US. i dont mind gays, drags, costumes, pumpkin decorations, trick or treat-kids. but i dont like "your" surprise when people here dont see "your" fun and amazement in halloween.
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Re: Is homophobia still an issue in Switzerland?

Back to homophobia. Just like in the UK or the US it depends where. In very rural places, be it in Yorkshire or Alabama, it can still be an issue with the older generation. One of my best friends in CH is cross-gender, in his 60s. S'he is quite discreet, and very rarely has problems.
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Old 30.10.2011, 12:24
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Re: Is homophobia still an issue in Switzerland?

I wasn't complaining about people not liking costumes (I thought the exclamation mark indicated that it was a light-hearted comment, but maybe I should have stuck in one of these too - very difficult to convey with the written word). Of course some people don't like costumes, and that's fine. Where I think the people who insulted him for wearing a costume needn't have vocalised their disdain (unnecessarily rude in my opinion), my grievance was with those who assumed he was gay and insulted him for that.

EDIT: Obviously that was for flow23.
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Old 30.10.2011, 12:26
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Back to homophobia. Just like in the UK or the US it depends where. In very rural places, be it in Yorkshire or Alabama, it can still be an issue with the older generation. One of my best friends in CH is cross-gender, in his 60s. S'he is quite discreet, and very rarely has problems.
Of course, but funnily enough all of the guys (and it was only men) that made homophobic comments last night were all young (no older than 30). I think flow23 is right about at least some of them.
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Re: Is homophobia still an issue in Switzerland?

Usually the same who will be anti-foreigners too and vote for ... you know who. I know a few around here- big boots, all macho nationalistic idiots.
Rise, rise way above their little idiotic minds. They are just not worth the hurt you felt and are very much in a (loud and in your face) minority.
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Old 30.10.2011, 12:53
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Re: Is homophobia still an issue in Switzerland?

You're right, of course. It's just different from what I was used to in England (even in a small, ruralish place like the Isle of Wight I've never seen anyone react like that). Having someone yell "tu me dégoûtes" all the way down the high street is quite shocking to me.
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Re: Is homophobia still an issue in Switzerland?

Two choices with this sort of situation:

1. Tell them where they can get off.

2. Just accept that there are some idiots in the world and move on.


Now, how likely I am to do which depends almost entirely upon how much alcohol I've had myself. Which of course is to say that I generally WANT to tell them where they can get off but usually restrain myself.


One of the other things that you may want to take into consideration with these things happening twice to your sweetie while he's playing at dressing in drag is that SOMETIMES people who ACTUALLY are into that take offense at folks who play at it. Whether they ARE gay, are drag queens, or maybe are gay drag queens, maybe part of why your sweetie is catching aggro about it is because they are offended that he (maybe) seems to be making fun of them.
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Re: Is homophobia still an issue in Switzerland?

its proven in history that those screaming the loudest want to cover their own affection. eg. himmler. secretary of ss in the nazi regime was gay to the core of his bones and gave order to kill gays in concentration camps. those folks attacking your partner are very stupid and seem to have never looked outside of their alp valley. they´re narrow-minded, raised in very backwards conservative environment, etc.etc. i dont have any probs with gays, do have many gay friends. the only prob i have is when a gay encounters me in a flirty way and cant accept that i dont play for his team and insists on "having a try" n all that. i really tend to get aggressive then.

i dunno what it is like in zurich, i think its a more liberal city and i think homophobes wander round here less. youll find them everywhere, in one pkace more in another less. but what i heard back from friends its pretty ok here.
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One of the other things that you may want to take into consideration with these things happening twice to your sweetie while he's playing at dressing in drag is that SOMETIMES people who ACTUALLY are into that take offense at folks who play at it. Whether they ARE gay, are drag queens, or maybe are gay drag queens, maybe part of why your sweetie is catching aggro about it is because they are offended that he (maybe) seems to be making fun of them.
I think this is quite unlikely, although certainly not impossible. Of course this wasn't the intention at all (I reckon you have to be quite overly sensitive to take it that way, but I'm not gay and I guess it's probably something that some gay people are overly sensitive about). My OH is quite flamboyant, a bit of a party animal and just likes to show it on the outside too. He won't be doing that any more in this country. We've decided to start having house parties a bit more often so he's free to wear what he wants!
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Old 30.10.2011, 13:12
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Of course, but funnily enough all of the guys (and it was only men) that made homophobic comments last night were all young (no older than 30). I think flow23 is right about at least some of them.
I'm more worried about the fact that your bf has dressed again as a girl and you think that's normal.

From all the options available for costumes, landing on girl outfit again is suspicious. It's all fun and games until he borrows your lipstick, I guess… /joke

this is starting to look like this to me:

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You're right, of course. It's just different from what I was used to in England (even in a small, ruralish place like the Isle of Wight I've never seen anyone react like that). Having someone yell "tu me dégoûtes" all the way down the high street is quite shocking to me.
Zombie drag queens walking around the isle of Wight on a normal Weekend? I would like to see that. Hopefully there would be no such reactions. But the look on peoples faces should still be priceless.
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Re: Is homophobia still an issue in Switzerland?

For me, a guy who is ready to dress like a girl is someone very comfortable with his sexuality and who he is (Gay, hetero or Bi)
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Re: Is homophobia still an issue in Switzerland?

Sorry to hear about your experience. I don't know if I've really been here long enough to comment on how progressive Switzerland is when it comes to people being gay. I will say that the worst I've seen in the many countries where I've lived has been in the UK. Loads of violence spurred by homophobic hatred. :/

My dad made a comment once about gays, and I like it. It was along the lines of "I personally find the idea of being gay totally disgusting. To imagine two men or women together makes me cringe. But who am I or anybody to dictate their rights? It's not my business what they do in private nor is it theirs what I do. We are all entitled to the same rights - marriage or anything else. I don't have to personally like the idea but I have to respect it."

This for me is bang on. Nobody need like the idea of two men or two women. You can personally find it totally gross. Heck, two men or women may find you and a person of the opposite sex totally gross. I think that's okay. What's not okay is to communicate these personal opinions, especially in a hateful way, to people. And that is why your post gets me all riled up (not just because it was a costume and they were wrong to begin with about sexual orientation). Find it gross all you like but respect that person's right to live without the wrath of your flapping tongue.

So yah..people should shut up and mind their own business is the less fluffy way of putting it. ;p
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Re: Is homophobia still an issue in Switzerland?

It's far less homophoby than just a cultural difference:
- Remember that the Swiss voted on gay partnership and said yes (well, they said no to the Initiative against it). No sure a popular vote would be the same in all coutries whose parliaments voted for it.
- Dragging for parties is very English, just believe me on that one, it's a party issue, not a gay issue, as dragging is not very gay in the first place.
- nevertheless, on a single case, it may be just the usual stupidity-hate of ignorance on top of it.

Have fun and party the way you like, but don't forget the cultural differences, like always.
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It's all fun and games until he borrows your lipstick, I guess… /joke
He did borrow my lipstick!

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Zombie drag queens walking around the isle of Wight on a normal Weekend? I would like to see that. Hopefully there would be no such reactions. But the look on peoples faces should still be priceless.
On a normal weekend, such an extreme costume may provoke some reactions (although normal costumes wouldn't provoke any) but on Halloween weekend?


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I will say that the worst I've seen in the many countries where I've lived has been in the UK. Loads of violence spurred by homophobic hatred. :/
This is really strange to me. May I ask where you lived?
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On a normal weekend, such an extreme costume may provoke some reactions (although normal costumes wouldn't provoke any) but on Halloween weekend?

What is a Halloween? Seriously, if you want sth comparable, Fasnacht/Carnaval would be the day. NOT Haloween.

Not that I condone these people's behaviour in any way.
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