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Truancy can be expensive...

Link to an article in the Tages Anzeiger online (German) which relates the story of someone who took their child out of school the day before vacation started...CHF 4000 fine! Ouch!

http://blog.tagesanzeiger.ch/mamablo...tag-schwanzen/
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Old 09.10.2011, 22:26
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Re: Truancy can be expensive...

If the airlines didn't try to savage your bunghole so thoroughly by jacking up the airfares over the school breaks, parents wouldn't do this I suspect. I priced tickets all around the holiday and the prices were so, so much higher over the next two weeks that the fine might even be less than what they saved on tickets for a family. I got around it by getting my tickets out of the US but empathize with the family as I understand.

That fine is a bit more than punitive though...wonder what the judge is going for other than pain for the family.
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Old 09.10.2011, 22:29
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If the airlines didn't try to savage your bunghole so thoroughly by jacking up the airfares over the school breaks, parents wouldn't do this I suspect. I priced tickets all around the holiday and the prices were so, so much higher over the next two weeks that the fine might even be less than what they saved on tickets for a family. I got around it by getting my tickets out of the US but empathize with the family as I understand.

That fine is a bit more than punitive though...wonder what the judge is going for other than pain for the family.

do not know this case; maybe it was not the first time?
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Re: Truancy can be expensive...

Perhaps the fine was related to the parents´ earnings
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Perhaps the fine was related to the parents´ earnings
Well, the article mentioned they used up their 'joker' days (which I'm assuming are days you can use like a floating holiday at work) but, even if they were flagrant is one day of school likely spent doing review or being given a packet of stuff to do over break really worth that kind of fine over? 4000 clams is a lot, even for the 120k+ club unless they're really stinking rich (and if they were, they probably wouldn't be bargain hunting for airfares).

I'm not suggesting school isn't important, but the day before the holiday at least where my daughter is going is spent in a fairly non-academic manner, is a half-day and probably not a real critical day to miss if it'll save a lot of money on a holiday. If mom is riled enough to say she'll do jail time instead of paying the fine(s), there's likely more to the story and I'm pulling for her.
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Old 10.10.2011, 16:06
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Sorry i am not able to give the answer for your question at this time i will tell you later.
Really? OK; when would you be able to tell us then? Later today, or next week some time?
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Re: Truancy can be expensive...

I've heard of a 2,000 fine years ago but never risked it.
I'm afraid the huge increase in demand and price for tickets as of day one of hols is not like I thought... no helvetic collusion involved. It's universal!
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Re: Truancy can be expensive...

We're taking the kids out of school a day early to go to NI for Christmas. It's fine as long as you inform the schools in advance (and don't make a habit of it).
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Old 10.10.2011, 16:13
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Re: Truancy can be expensive...

The actual fine is 2k to the mother, and 2k to the father who doesn't even live with them!

WTF?

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The actual fine is 2k to the mother, and 2k to the father who doesn't even live with them!

WTF?

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Sounds like that guy needs to get a divorce.
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Old 10.10.2011, 17:22
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Re: Truancy can be expensive...

Are the pre-holiday flights that much cheaper? The weeks that kids are on holidays even within the country vary considerably. When you factor in other countries, almost every day is going to be a holiday day for someone somewhere.
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Old 10.10.2011, 17:43
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Re: Truancy can be expensive...

The amount of the fine plus the fact that they fined father and mother is totally ridiculous. I hope they'll fight it all the way up to the Federal Court.
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Old 10.10.2011, 18:11
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Re: Truancy can be expensive...

last year we were in Germany and I wanted to fly out on the Friday before a (1 week) fall break from Munich to Orlando as my brother was going to be visiting us,and only for the weekend, so arriving at 10 pm on a Sat night was going to limit our time together.

I visited the school and talked to the director - she was none to happy about it, informed me that I would have to write a letter requesting permission to miss that one, critical, first grade morning of my daughter's (I mean, she had school from 8-11:15 that day, including sport...). In the end, I was given the permission, but got the message that this is not to happen again.

I can see the school's side of the issue - that if you give an inch, they'll take a yard and abuse the system, but life is also not black and white and sometimes the parents could be given a little bit of slack. They didn't have joker days where we were in Germany.

BUT - never mind the times my daughter was home early because a teacher was out (although they knew this days in advance as a couple of times we got a notice about it) and instead of getting a substitute teacher, the kids came home at 11:15 instead of 1. In that way, I don't see the school living up to their end of the bargain of taking full control of the situation...
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Old 10.10.2011, 18:22
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Re: Truancy can be expensive...

And on the other hand, my daughter just missed the whole of the last week of school because of illness. I just rang the school each morning to say she wasn't coming. And on the Thursday, after she went to the doctor, I sent an email to the teacher telling her my daughter wouldn't be in on the Friday either, as per doctor orders.

I might have been calling from a nice beach resort somewhere for all the teacher knew (something very much preferable to a week at home with a sick kid!)
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Old 10.10.2011, 19:38
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Re: Truancy can be expensive...

I don't get that. When I was young my parents used to bring me in vacation for two weeks every year. It was during the March one week break and I missed the following week. I had a schedule of homework to do and my parents made sure I was doing them everyday.

I learned so much by going in vacation. Missing that week never had any influence on my school results but teached me to be thankful for what I had, for seeing that some people and kids my age didn't have the basics, etc. For my parents, vacation wasn't just a beach trip but also a cultural and learning experience.

Ok, maybe it isn't the norm of what a vacation is. Probably because of my kind of experience, I don't see how missing one week, one day or 2 days can be THAT bad...
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And on the other hand, my daughter just missed the whole of the last week of school because of illness. I just rang the school each morning to say she wasn't coming. And on the Thursday, after she went to the doctor, I sent an email to the teacher telling her my daughter wouldn't be in on the Friday either, as per doctor orders.

I might have been calling from a nice beach resort somewhere for all the teacher knew (something very much preferable to a week at home with a sick kid!)
I have heard stories - not sure if they are urban myths or not - that you could get stopped at the airport on those days right before vacation if you were with school aged kids and asked about if the kid should be in school or not, etc. When we traveled, I took with us our letter giving us permission. Of course, at an airport are presumably kids of all nationalities and different school schedules, so I don't know if this really ever happened, but I wouldn't want to find out! I also didn't want to "lie" about it...

I, too, missed time for travel - but in the US it isn't a big deal. Heck, you can home school if you are that attached to your kids if you want to My senior year of high school I came home a week earlier once from a Christmas trip than my parents and I think I even wrote my own excuse letter for the school I did miss! But that was in the dark ages, things have changed now!
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Old 10.10.2011, 22:45
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I have heard stories - not sure if they are urban myths or not - that you could get stopped at the airport on those days right before vacation if you were with school aged kids and asked about if the kid should be in school or not, etc. When we traveled, I took with us our letter giving us permission. Of course, at an airport are presumably kids of all nationalities and different school schedules, so I don't know if this really ever happened, but I wouldn't want to find out! I also didn't want to "lie" about it...

I, too, missed time for travel - but in the US it isn't a big deal. Heck, you can home school if you are that attached to your kids if you want to My senior year of high school I came home a week earlier once from a Christmas trip than my parents and I think I even wrote my own excuse letter for the school I did miss! But that was in the dark ages, things have changed now!
Well a friend of mine moved from MI to AL and told me if kids miss school, parents can be put in jail for 90 days. I can see how a parent being in jail can be of better use then a parent at home.
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Forward planning is the key - book early to keep cost down during school holidays, be it on flight only or packages- and you can get very good deals.
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Re: Truancy can be expensive...

Being originally from the US, I just never got into the must-do holiday mentality that they have in northern CH.

(here, it's like the US, 10 week summer, plenty of time, no rush).

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Re: Truancy can be expensive...

My husband and I got fined 2000 chf for taking my son out of kindergarten two weeks early. I applied for the absence based on medical reasons and was denied but I took him out anyway. When we got back we each had a fine of 1000 chf. What really gets me is,

1. a girl in the same kindergarten was allowed one week to go to Thailand with her grandma (for vacation purposes)
2. a family took there kids out without permission and was fined only one fine (not husband and wife)
3. A boys mother applied for an extended summer vacation and was denied. She sent a Dr. note from the country she was vacationing at and returned 3 weeks later with no fine.
4. I was told by the locals to just talk to the kindergarten teacher and try to work something out with her but I thought it would do the right thing.

What gets me is the inconsistency and lack of accountability. The shulpflege (who approves or disapproves applications for leave in my area that I live) can decide however they like and thats that. No one can challenge them without having to pay a possible fine. The town down the road might have a total lax policy and lets everyone go who applies. Its frustrating !!
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