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Re: How has your life become more or less glamourous since moving to Switzerland

But what is glamour? I’ve looked it up in an etymology dictionary – it comes from an old Scottish word meaning magic, enchantment, spell; a sense of magical beauty and alluring charm. In that sense I’ve always had plenty of it, wherever I lived. It’s just the way I approach the world, with a very dreamy, spaced out perspective.

Why did this word become connected with Glamour magazine and suchlike bs? That’s easy. In the middle ages we had princes and princesses, class divisions, and now we have A-listers and haves and have-nots. Nothing has changed and humans are exactly the same as they were thousands of years ago.
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Re: How has your life become more or less glamourous since moving to Switzerland

Glamourous is good for our egos. But does that mean happiness ?

Back in France, I worked in Paris, in fashion between runaways, models castings and after show parties. People looked at me as if I succeeded, they thought my life was soooo glamourous. It was a real ego boost, I somehow felt important. But I wasn't happy. People saw the glitters and the parties, I saw the nights awake in the studio doing nothing but beeing there just in case somebody would need me, I was treated like a tool sometimes. And all the "great" people I met who was so friendly with me was just interested by what I could give them. The minute I left that world, the minute they stop talking to me. I was useless to them.

So is my life less glamourous ? definitely. But less superficial too. And more down to earth and connected to what is really important. The other day, I was really pissed about something, I just couldn't calm down. So I went for a walk with my dog, and laid on the grass in the sun for a while. It was a moment of pure happiness.
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Re: How has your life become more or less glamourous since moving to Switzerland

I'm not sure if it's more or less glamourous - but more to do with age!

comparing my teen years & early twenties in London to my late thirties in Zurich is like comparing apples with oranges!
surely reading the thread of the 25 year old who had the opportunity to work in London - where the responses was go it's fab proves the point!

I can go to bars & clubs in Zurich - ok not the choice of London by any stretch of the imagination - but do I want to stay out till the early hours of the morning and run to get the last train home - of course not - but also I don't think I am able to do it anymore!
But I can go to the movies/restaurants/meet the girls for coffee etc - the options are there if you want to use them!
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Re: How has your life become more or less glamourous since moving to Switzerland

On the odd occasion I do get to go out I do think my life or maybe just the places I'm visiting are more glamourous, but for the everyday stuff - def less glam well I'd say quite boring actually!!!

As I browse through my diary, I have a few 'appointments' with Swiss friends where despite knowing them for 8 years, we'll probably discuss the weather.

A glam night out with the girls used to mean getting a new outfit, glammed up and a couple of bottles of wine before heading into town. Now it consists of dressing sensibly, wearing minimum make-up and spending 3 hours drinking water or making 1 cocktail last 3 hours! I kid you not.
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And @Federica above: it sounds like your Silicon Valley life could be pretty much exactly the same, barring modifying your shopping hours. But the changes that you have made in coming here are just that, changes. the way you tell it, they are positive changes, and yet you seem to be expressing a sense of slight loss. I'm not questioning or diagnosing, just pointing out a slight cognitive disjunction.
Thanks, and you are right - it's a bit complicated right now. In sequence, I loved the place, I hated the place, now I am trying to see if the place works.

You are 100% right regarding the changes, which are mostly positive. And you are 100% right that, with all the good things I have gained, there have also been great things I have "lost". Normal thing of life, gaining and losing.

Regarding having the same life, well, on paper yes, but in reality, no. It is really the attitude towards things (and I am not talking about the local shopping hours, with which I've had no problems at all): here, barring exceptions, 90% of what I say is met with an a-priori "no, we don't do this here/we don't do it this way/you can't/conform and do as everyone else is doing", and then maybe, maybe, we can discuss later. Maybe. There, 90% of what I could say was met with a propositive attitude "why not? let's see what we can do/ let's solve this issue creatively/sorry, it's not possible to do it this way, but instead you have options A, B, and C". See? This really affects me.

Now I just have to figure out if I can live with this attitude and the things I've lost, because I greatly, greatly enjoy and cherish the ones I've gained, and I'm not sure I am ready to go quite yet
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Re: How has your life become more or less glamourous since moving to Switzerland

That's ironic, Frederica. I grew up in California and worked in Silicon Valley (Sunnyvale) for 3 years before moving to Zurich. I love California, but can't stand SiliValley. For me it was a work-obsessed, mono-tech-culture where people just didn't know how to separate work from personal life. I called it a sickness "Siliconitus". And the conversations with anyone, when not focused on the latest processor, software or tech gadget, inevitably ended up about real estate and boasting how much everyone's house had appreciated (guess that conversation is pretty different now). It was an ugly, strip-malled, fast-food invested cultural wasteland, and anywhere worth going to (Santa Cruz, San Francisco) was a long stressful traffic jam away. I miss nothing about the place (maybe a couple of the restaurants).
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That's ironic, Frederica. I grew up in California and worked in Silicon Valley (Sunnyvale) for 3 years before moving to Zurich. I love California, but can't stand SiliValley. For me it was a work-obsessed, mono-tech-culture where people just didn't know how to separate work from personal life. I called it a sickness "Siliconitus". And the conversations with anyone, when not focused on the latest processor, software or tech gadget, inevitably ended up about real estate and boasting how much everyone's house had appreciated (guess that conversation is pretty different now). It was an ugly, strip-malled, fast-food invested cultural wasteland, and anywhere worth going to (Santa Cruz, San Francisco) was a long stressful traffic jam away. I miss nothing about the place (maybe a couple of the restaurants).
I know, isn't it incredible how different experiences and perceptions can make the same place wonderful or hideous for different people? I am always amazed by that. Like, for example, everyone keeps saying how wonderful Paris is and how dangerous Mexico City is - I was never harassed and nothing ever happened to me in MC all the time I lived there, but I got all kinds of harassments in Paris, multiple times, when I lived there.

Speaking of restaurants...all the Korean BBQ places in Santa Clara, give me those back please!!! Although Yumi Hana supermarket in Zurich is pretty good and the people are nice
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Re: How has your life become more or less glamourous since moving to Switzerland

I think my life's about the same. I do get to tavel a lot more than I did when I was living in the UK and I do get more quality time with my family so, no more glamour but a better quality of living- I can't complain
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Old 04.11.2011, 15:01
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I know, isn't it incredible how different experiences and perceptions can make the same place wonderful or hideous for different people? I am always amazed by that. Like, for example, everyone keeps saying how wonderful Paris is and how dangerous Mexico City is - I was never harassed and nothing ever happened to me in MC all the time I lived there, but I got all kinds of harassments in Paris, multiple times, when I lived there.

Speaking of restaurants...all the Korean BBQ places in Santa Clara, give me those back please!!! Although Yumi Hana supermarket in Zurich is pretty good and the people are nice
Yes, I know what you mean (I am half Korean). Yumi Hana is good, but this place is better (across from Letzigrund Stadium on Badenerstr).

http://www.korea-pavillon.ch/
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Re: How has your life become more or less glamourous since moving to Switzerland

I have to admit,

quality wise it is much better than the US, food, air and beauty of the landscape (coming from South East US).

What I think is wrong is the cost of living, I think it has to do with the home country theory, in your home country you can do well because you know the ins and outs, a dollar can go far because you know how to stretch it well.

In Switzerland, since its new, its had to do this. In time of course i can learn the tricks and save smarter.

Its hard so far financially, the capital needed to settle and get up and running, but i think once i clear Dec I will be safe and saving again

It just amazes me at the expenses and how much they cost, but smart living is very critical in Switzerland if you are trying to save.

On the other hand some things are cheap (cheaper than the US), electricity, water and cable/internet. SO there is a balance, although its not trade for trade - its enjoyable. All in all, Switzerland is the only place i can really see my self living, i love the setup, strict anal people (drive near miami and you will miss Swiss)... and the scenery.
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That's ironic, Frederica. I grew up in California and worked in Silicon Valley (Sunnyvale) for 3 years before moving to Zurich. I love California, but can't stand SiliValley. For me it was a work-obsessed, mono-tech-culture where people just didn't know how to separate work from personal life. I called it a sickness "Siliconitus". And the conversations with anyone, when not focused on the latest processor, software or tech gadget, inevitably ended up about real estate and boasting how much everyone's house had appreciated (guess that conversation is pretty different now). It was an ugly, strip-malled, fast-food invested cultural wasteland, and anywhere worth going to (Santa Cruz, San Francisco) was a long stressful traffic jam away. I miss nothing about the place (maybe a couple of the restaurants).
Karl, almost 35% of all working people in Switzerland are chronically stressed.
http://www.fhnw.ch/aps/medien-und-oe...sind-gestresst

..and you have to be running through Zurich with a blindfold on, for not seeing the imense traffic problem the city has.
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Karl, almost 35% of all working people in Switzerland are chronically stressed.
http://www.fhnw.ch/aps/medien-und-oe...sind-gestresst

..and you have to be running through Zurich with a blindfold on, for not seeing the imense traffic problem the city has.
LiB, you have obviously not sat in traffic on US101 or 280 around San Jose during rush hour. It makes Zurich look like a country farm. And, by your statistic, that means 65% are not chronically stressed (I belong to that group).

You can either view a glass as half empty or half full. Or maybe that the glass is too big.
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LiB, you have obviously not sat in traffic on US101 or 280 around San Jose during rush hour. It makes Zurich look like a country farm. And, by your statistic, that means 65% are not chronically stressed (I belong to that group).

You can either view a glass as half empty or half full. Or maybe that the glass is too big.
I've sat in traffic in many, many palces around the world and Zurich is definitely not a country farm...but obviously, you still got those pink shades from Globus on.
35% are Chronically stressed....which doesn't make the 65% all dandy IMO....do you know Chronically? (a hint, it's not the new Breitling watch)
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I've sat in traffic in many, many palces around the world and Zurich is definitely not a country farm...but obviously, you still got those pink shades from Globus on.
35% are Chronically stressed....which doesn't make the 65% all dandy IMO....do you know Chronically? (a hint, it's not the new Breitling watch)
whooa calm down, LiB. Wrong thread to freak out in!
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whooa calm down, LiB. Wrong thread to freak out in!
I'm calm Karl, I'm just trying to ignite our love hate relationship we had before...
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Re: How has your life become more or less glamourous since moving to Switzerland

OK, back on topic...try this in the middle of winter when it's freezing outside and snowing...

http://www.bad-schinznach.ch/de/galerie/thermalquelle/

Give it a few seconds to load. This place is 10 minutes down the road from my house.
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I think my life's about the same. I do get to tavel a lot more than I did when I was living in the UK and I do get more quality time with my family so, no more glamour but a better quality of living- I can't complain
I "get" to travel more too... but I don't see it as "glamourous". I see it more as a burden that upsets my personal apple cart.
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OK, back on topic...try this in the middle of winter when it's freezing outside and snowing...

http://www.bad-schinznach.ch/de/galerie/thermalquelle/

Give it a few seconds to load. This place is 10 minutes down the road from my house.
Oh, I've been there....(it is colloquially known as the sperm bath)...this place I prefer. http://www.thermalbad.ch/
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I "get" to travel more too... but I don't see it as "glamourous". I see it more as a burden that upsets my personal apple cart.
Personal experience: I used to, as you say, "get" to travel a lot, all over Europe and the USA. Then I quit and set up my own biz, and don't travel unless I consider it absolutely necessary - which means that I do about 10% of the travelling I used to. In my own personal perspective, this has been a huge contribution to enhanced quality of life.

And no, I'm not saying travel is a bad thing, but having to travel because someone else deems it necessary at their convenience most definitely is. I'll take controlling my own schedule over travel glamour, thank you.
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Oh, I've been there....(it is colloquially known as the sperm bath)...this place I prefer. http://www.thermalbad.ch/
Actually, smooching couples are promptly told by the observant staff to "cool it". I have seen this happen several times!
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