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Not necessarily. How does one know whether he/she is gifted, if there aren't any opportunities to explore ones capabilities and compete against likeminded people?
Gifted people will always find others to 'compete' with - whether they have a University Education or not.

Your statement about the best of everything coming from the US is either very funny, or something else
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The greatest athletes, muscians, innovators, visionaries, inventors etc. all come from the US? I like the etc. LOL... That's possibly the most arrogant uninformed statement I have ever read.

What did they brainwash you with during your scholarship in America?
Shaun White
Arnold Palmer
Steve Jobs
Michael Jackson
Thomas Edison
Henry Ford

Where is your list of Swiss contributors? the guy who invented LSD?
Its not arrogance if its true..
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Chevrolet for a start
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I think you might be underestimating the /environment/ as conducive to innovation. Lots of folks who other countries claim as their own, actually did most of their work and inventions in the US.... Giving birth to and educating a bright child is pretty much the same everywhere, but giving them an environment in which to thrive, that's the difference. Given my lease forbids me from flushing after 10pm and I get ranted at for parking in a bank spot 3mins before closing without going to the bank, it's not much of a stretch to think that CH isn't much for the artsy-fartsy types. Hell, I stay in my apartment most of the time as I really don't want to get sued for whatever tiny infraction I might unwittingly walk into....not really an artist/innovators first choice to stay.
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I never knew the American school system is in such good shape. Makes me wonder why so many in America thinks it is in a shambles and standards are slipping.
Because our standards are already very high. Can we improve? Definitely! But our system is definitely set up for those that work hard to get their chance. That means you can grow up in a bad neighborhood but apply yourself at school and do well enough to earn a scholarship to university. The beauty of the system is that it focuses on how *much* you want it, and also gives you a chance to redeem yourself if you didn't do so well in earlier years. Morale of the story: you have opportunities, it's about whether you recognize them and take advantage of them.
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I think you might be underestimating the /environment/ as conducive to innovation. Lots of folks who other countries claim as their own, actually did most of their work and inventions in the US.... Giving birth to and educating a bright child is pretty much the same everywhere, but giving them an environment in which to thrive, that's the difference. Given my lease forbids me from flushing after 10pm and I get ranted at for parking in a bank spot 3mins before closing without going to the bank, it's not much of a stretch to think that CH isn't much for the artsy-fartsy types. Hell, I stay in my apartment most of the time as I really don't want to get sued for whatever tiny infraction I might unwittingly walk into....not really an artist/innovators first choice to stay.
Bertrand Picard is right here, right now.

However, I think you are misunderstanding what I said which was never that Switzerland was the source of most world inventions- but that the US was not- lol
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Hey all,

My name is George and I'm a student at the Basel university.This is my third semester here,before that i used to live in Fribourg.When i was there things were a bit more interesting and i had more friends and people i knew.Im here in Basel from like one year and 3 months and i just don't get the swiss people in basel.Now, i'm half american and half bulgarian but i lived in New York most of my life,still even the little european blood i have doesn't help me get the mentality and the people here.Im just 23 years old and i'm used to have a bit more fire and passion in my life but to be honest.....all i see around me are dead people... seriously....I haven't met anyone worth being a good friend and every time i go out with a bunch of swiss people or with someone that has picked up the swiss mentality i die of boredom.So i guess what I'm trying to say iiiisssss.....any young english speaking people interested in hanging out once in a while in this forum ?
Hi George!

Welcome to the club! I just posted a thread 2 days ago about boring Basel life! Yes, Basel, the dark side of the moon :-) Thought it was me but obviously Im not alone! Im not a party animal (anymore, I was in my studies like many people) and prefer quiet things -God, did I actually pick up the Swiss mentality?!, but I still enjoy having cool people to hang out with. Im 5 years older than you which doesnt make me an old person i think (/hope?), so let me know if you want to meet up sometime!

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I am 25 years here, and still don't get it.
The joke is, my kids get it (they were born here), my wife gets it (she works mainly with Swiss locals), but I, the reason why we are all here, don't get it (been working mainly in English speaking multinationals the whole time).

Now when I travel back to the US, I also don't get it there. Been away too long, things have changed.

So, I am in a permanent state of "not-getting it".

Bewildered, befuddled and confused. Lost in Switzerland.

Still don't get why you have to say hello and goodbye to people entering and exiting lifts.
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I am 25 years here, and still don't get it.
Thats not reassuring!

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Now when I travel back to the US, I also don't get it there. Been away too long, things have changed.
I start being in the state of "not-getting-it" either when i go back to France, after almost 5 years in Switzerland!

QUOTE=Karl;1433442] Still don't get why you have to say hello and goodbye to people entering and exiting lifts.[/QUOTE]

Haha! Or why people still hold the door when you're more than 50 meters from the building! he he They make me laugh (sometimes) with that kind of things!
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However, I think you are misunderstanding what I said which was never that Switzerland was the source of most world inventions- but that the US was not- lol
Well, not entirely....just that the US does tend to attract such people because it is a place where creatives and bright folks can find a niche and make a go of it. Immigration made and still makes the US great in that regard. As for Piccard...being a multi-generational balloonist really isn't all that iconoclastic, but it is different from the norm around here.
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Thats not reassuring!



I start being in the state of "not-getting-it" either when i go back to France, after almost 5 years in Switzerland!

QUOTE=Karl;1433442] Still don't get why you have to say hello and goodbye to people entering and exiting lifts.
Haha! Or why people still hold the door when you're more than 50 meters from the building! he he They make me laugh (sometimes) with that kind of things![/QUOTE]

Or why everyone at the table has to wait for the very last plate to be brought to the table before eating. Or the whole "wait for the toast" thing. My God, people, eat while the food's hot! You got wine in front of you, drink it, damit! Still drives me crazy.
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Nice post and it sums up the situation pretty good IMO. I don't think young ones are happy here either...they don't have any ambitions whatsoever and there are no incentives to trying to achieve anything, as the system won't allow it.

This being said (and I apologize for being slightly OT), I once got lost in Idaho looking for food and a gas station..does Montpellier and Paris Idaho ring a bell?
> don't have any ambitions ? isn't that a classic generalisation ? not looking at all the things established by young people ? the "system" DOES allow new things BUT indeed does not really encourage them !
> "incentives" ? the incentive has to be that to start something and to try to carry through makes live interesting, even if more work and less spare time results. Incentives are not to be provided by the state. The incentives are there and obvious


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I think you might be underestimating the /environment/ as conducive to innovation. Lots of folks who other countries claim as their own, actually did most of their work and inventions in the US.... Giving birth to and educating a bright child is pretty much the same everywhere, but giving them an environment in which to thrive, that's the difference. Given my lease forbids me from flushing after 10pm and I get ranted at for parking in a bank spot 3mins before closing without going to the bank, it's not much of a stretch to think that CH isn't much for the artsy-fartsy types. Hell, I stay in my apartment most of the time as I really don't want to get sued for whatever tiny infraction I might unwittingly walk into....not really an artist/innovators first choice to stay.




THIS works both ways. Gents like Engineers Brown (GB) and Boveri (It), hoteliers like Mr Baur (OE), food specialists like Mr Nestle (DE) and Maggi (It), machinery engineers like Mr Sulzer (DE) and many others were of non-Swiss origin but made their way in Switzerland, which apparently for them was THE place to go ahead

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As far as Piccard is concerned, I don't think you do the man justice:


Energy & Propulsion


To manage, transform, store and regulate the power supplied by the photovoltaic cells, to develop high-performance engines batteries, the Solar Impulse electrical engineers have challenged technology bounds in their quest for maximum efficiency, minimum weight and high reliability. And at the heart of the solar plane, a central computer is there to monitor operations and ensure optimal energy use.




Although I realise that, sadly, optimal energy efficiency does not seem to interest the US much.

Now I don't want to be rude, but really maybe it is time to say it. If you 'don't get it after 3 years, maybe it's not for you. For your sake, perhaps time to go and enjoy your life elsewhere. Bonne chance and all the best. Don't forget to report back. BTW what was it that attracted you here in the first place? We are all adults, with free will, and unless war or famine brought you here, you can choose if you stay or go. If I had not loved living in the UK, I wouldn't have stayed. Of course I had a good moan from time to time, as I do here too now I am back, but the constant and repetitive 'whinging' is just so senseless.
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I am 25 years here, and still don't get it.
The joke is, my kids get it (they were born here), my wife gets it (she works mainly with Swiss locals), but I, the reason why we are all here, don't get it (been working mainly in English speaking multinationals the whole time).

Now when I travel back to the US, I also don't get it there. Been away too long, things have changed.

So, I am in a permanent state of "not-getting it".

Bewildered, befuddled and confused. Lost in Switzerland.

Still don't get why you have to say hello and goodbye to people entering and exiting lifts.
To say hello and goodbye to people entering and exiting lifts is applied politeness
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Well, not entirely....just that the US does tend to attract such people because it is a place where creatives and bright folks can find a niche and make a go of it. Immigration made and still makes the US great in that regard. As for Piccard...being a multi-generational balloonist really isn't all that iconoclastic, but it is different from the norm around here.
Immigrants who found a niche and made a go of it ? Look at peope like Mr Marinello in Zurich, Mr Bindella (also Zurich), Mr Ravi Taneja (ZH again), just to name three. Immigration still makes Switzerland great in that regard.

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Haha! Or why people still hold the door when you're more than 50 meters from the building! he he They make me laugh (sometimes) with that kind of things!
Or why everyone at the table has to wait for the very last plate to be brought to the table before eating. Or the whole "wait for the toast" thing. My God, people, eat while the food's hot! You got wine in front of you, drink it, damit! Still drives me crazy.[/QUOTE]

yes, a real problem in a way. My sister-in-law when we are with her always tells us when she hands out the stuff "fünd ah ässe" ! And in company of modern minded people, those who get the stuff first are encouraged by the others to start eating, who either say "fönd nuremal ah" or "Än Guäte". Wine drinking is started possibly well before the meals arrive. In "traditional" company those things really ARE tiring

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Shaun White
Arnold Palmer
Steve Jobs
Michael Jackson
Thomas Edison
Henry Ford

Where is your list of Swiss contributors? the guy who invented LSD?
Its not arrogance if its true..
Did I say Swiss are better, or on par for matter?
No.
The only thing I have a problem with, is if someone says the best/smartest/most successful people come from Country X.

What a childish argument.
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Immigrants who found a niche and made a go of it ? Look at peope like Mr Marinello in Zurich, Mr Bindella (also Zurich), Mr Ravi Taneja (ZH again), just to name three. Immigration still makes Switzerland great in that regard.
There is something to be said for leaving a place that doesn't work for you and finding a place that does.
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Or why everyone at the table has to wait for the very last plate to be brought to the table before eating. Or the whole "wait for the toast" thing. My God, people, eat while the food's hot! You got wine in front of you, drink it, damit! Still drives me crazy.
Ouuups, we do the same in France! Then you are EVEN more happy when you can start eating and drinking! I have to say it can be annoying though!
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Did I say Swiss are better, or on par for matter?
No.
The only thing I have a problem with, is if someone says the best/smartest/most successful people come from Country X.

What a childish argument.

The reason was for the argument was that you disagreed the some of the most talented people in the world come from the US. There is proof that you are wrong, that was a short list.. It doesnt mean that successful people ONLY come from the US.. but in many different disciplines some of most successful people in the world come from the US.

It may be childish but what do you call saying someone is brainwashed in american universities?

The point in all this is that FREEDOM (that of the US) promotes this type of success and innovation. Places like Switzerland restrict it.. (i.e. the education/employment system)
What other countries do you see success on this scale if you so wholeheartedly disagree?
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Quote from LIB post 70 above : If you consider, that the greatest athletes, muscians, innovators, visionaries, inventors etc. all come from the US, then it is pretty easy to understand the real value of the American educational system. (my bold)


Perhaps what many of us find so arrogant- is that small word 'all'- I would have been quite happy with 'some'
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