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I had a "wang on the shoulder" dude. When it happens, it was just so shocking, disgusting and confusing (really dude? my shoulder?) that you can't say anything, at least that was the case for me. Also when you don't speak the language it adds to the mix.

While I am not comparing shoulder wang on the same scale and intensity as rape victims and other victims of sexual assault (although I do consider any unwanted pressing of erect manhood or crotch grabbing sexual assault), they also often report just not being able to fight back. Not fighting back doesn't make it any less traumatic but sometimes the whole situation just makes people freeze.

kudos to op and all of us ladies who have had to put up with crap like that.
Strangely that reminds me of a La Rochelle rugby song 'Pose da beat sur mon épaule'.
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Apologies for hijacking the thread, but this caught my eye. So the 2 plain clothes cops didn't do anything?? Jees?? Did they at least try to intervene during the altercation? Or do anything post altercation?

I have also noticed an alarming increase in the number of "beatings" by youths and/or groups at public places. Scares me a bit, mainly makes me worry about my wife.

Thanks for the heads up, will be ready for anything now! Hope you got out of it without getting badly hurt!
No, they didn't do anything. Luckily, we were able to defend ourselves..but it was 5 of them and 2 of us....it could have gotten really ugly. My watch band broke and my knuckles were a little swollen..but other than that, we were fine. The police only identified themselves after the incident. I was too pumped up from all the adrenaline to have any clear thoughts as otherwise, I would have pressed charges. The scary thing is, we didn't even do anything to provoke the attack. One of their friends was really drunk and I asked him whether he's alright and if he needs some help....and it swiftly spiraled downwards from then on.
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When I first moved to Zurich 9 years ago, there was a man who rode the same bus as I frequently did. He would come up behind me and push his...er...erect manhood into my shoulder if I was sitting, hip if I was standing. Even when I was sitting next to my husband!

I was too shocked, and too embarrassed to say anything until I got off the bus.
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and you never ever said anything you then just allowed him to continue.
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Not fighting back doesn't make it any less traumatic but sometimes the whole situation just makes people freeze.
When I was 14 years old, I was in a supermarket enjoying the possibility of trying out the just released Sega Saturn for free. I was the only girl playing, and next to me were two boys 8-12 years old.

While I was playing, some 40 year old guy approached us from the back and started poking us with this erection. In the beguinning I thought something innocent, only a couple of minutes later I noticed what was going on.

I was angry, panicking, and confused. I screamed in his face "Get lost, f@cker." But I never mentioned it to my parents or to the shop itself because somehow I felt the fault was mine.

Sexual assault, no matter how mild, messes with a person. It's quite common that you freeze with self-blame even if you have no reason to feel guilty.

It's not that easy to speak up, even in mild situations.
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My mainly concern in Switzerland is the risk of having no help from witnesses and pass by people.

I feel much safer in Istanbul and Barcelona because people jump in to help you. I saw guys stopping and holding a man until police arrived in Istanbul. And in the metro here in barca, people took a woman out of the wagon after she became violent toward me and my son who was in the sling. She wasn't completely there mentally. But the point is people get involve and help and protect others here.... Something I didn't witness in Switzerland.
I'm not sure if I'd agree with that. A female friend of mine took a taxi in Barcelona and the taxi driver groped her breasts while they were stopped at a red light. She resisted but didn't say anything and the taxi driver acted as if nothing had happened. She wrote down his number and went to the police but it was never followed up.
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I am reminded of what happened to me and a female friend in Bournemouth, England. We were 25 at the time. We were walking along the beach when an elderly (70 or 80 years old) man stopped us and asked if we could sit on a bench next to him. We didn’t suspect anything when he started telling us a story of his ailments. I got a bit apprehensive when he asked us if we could show us where it hurt. I stood up but my friend didn’t (she’s got a problem saying no), so he put his hand on her thigh and then touched her knee and grabbed her by the hand hand quite violently. This came as a shock because he really did seem like a perfect English gentleman, well dressed and outspoken. Well, the language my friend used to fend him off was not polite at all.
The funny thing was that we bumped into him at Waitrose the next day. He was shopping with his wife (I think). His facial expression was priceless. We decided to spare him – maybe it was a bad idea.
I guess we are never safe. Zurich is no exception, why should it be. I always try to be cautious and have learnt not to trust my initial impressions.

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I'm not sure if I'd agree with that. A female friend of mine took a taxi in Barcelona and the taxi driver groped her breasts while they were stopped at a red light. She resisted but didn't say anything and the taxi driver acted as if nothing had happened. She wrote down his number and went to the police but it was never followed up.
The situation is totally different. First it was her alone with the guy, no witnesses so not comparable with a situation when people are able to jump in to help. Second, the police here is a crap as the police in turkey that I believe. Probably a stronger reason why people help each other more here in critical situation.
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No, they didn't do anything. Luckily, we were able to defend ourselves..but it was 5 of them and 2 of us....it could have gotten really ugly. My watch band broke and my knuckles were a little swollen..but other than that, we were fine. The police only identified themselves after the incident. I was too pumped up from all the adrenaline to have any clear thoughts as otherwise, I would have pressed charges. The scary thing is, we didn't even do anything to provoke the attack. One of their friends was really drunk and I asked him whether he's alright and if he needs some help....and it swiftly spiraled downwards from then on.
Good grief. Well that's a big help that they identified themselves after the fact... Idiots! Excuse that. But that smacks of the problem here, i.e. blatant "neutrality" haha, or rather well lets see what happens and then we'll maybe deal with it after the fact. At least you could expect the cops to be a little proactive...

Btw, could you file a complaint against the cops?

Sounds very familiar. I had a situation about a year ago. Luckily my incident only involved one 18-20something. He quickly figured out that it probably wasn't such a good idea to get too pushy. But at one point, I did think it might turn into something physical. And, it also started pretty innocently, I happened to see him and he was, I thought, crying. I went over and asked if he was ok, at which point he suddenly got really angry...
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Good grief. Well that's a big help that they identified themselves after the fact... Idiots! Excuse that. But that smacks of the problem here, i.e. blatant "neutrality" haha, or rather well lets see what happens and then we'll maybe deal with it after the fact. At least you could expect the cops to be a little proactive...

Btw, could you file a complaint against the cops?

Sounds very familiar. I had a situation about a year ago. Luckily my incident only involved one 18-20something. He quickly figured out that it probably wasn't such a good idea to get too pushy. But at one point, I did think it might turn into something physical. And, it also started pretty innocently, I happened to see him and he was, I thought, crying. I went over and asked if he was ok, at which point he suddenly got really angry...
As an add-on. I actually chatted to a guy I know who is a Zurich cop. Explained to him what happened. His answer was that the guy was probably on drugs or drunk. However, and here is the interesting part, he said, if that was the case (i.e. intoxicated), and we had had an "altercation", I would probably get most of the "blame". The reasons being that if he were 1) intoxicated, 2 younger than me (in this case likely), and 3) one on one, that somehow that "semi-excused" his actions, and therefore the responsibility would fall mainly on me... Even though he may have started it. I think you can guess what my view on that was...

Apologies for hi-jacking the thread, I will be gone now. :-)
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Good grief. Well that's a big help that they identified themselves after the fact... Idiots! Excuse that. But that smacks of the problem here, i.e. blatant "neutrality" haha, or rather well lets see what happens and then we'll maybe deal with it after the fact. At least you could expect the cops to be a little proactive...

Btw, could you file a complaint against the cops?

Sounds very familiar. I had a situation about a year ago. Luckily my incident only involved one 18-20something. He quickly figured out that it probably wasn't such a good idea to get too pushy. But at one point, I did think it might turn into something physical. And, it also started pretty innocently, I happened to see him and he was, I thought, crying. I went over and asked if he was ok, at which point he suddenly got really angry...
Yeap, that's a pretty similar scenario. I didn't even think of filing a complaint against the cops, as I was just happy to not get any injuries from the incident.
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There are loads of weirdos out there, I always make a point of walking any girls I'm with home because of that, but, once I was going out with a girl who could kick-box, I once sparred with her and quickly found out that she was more than adequately capable of defending herself after she nearly broke my arm with one kick...

I actually pity any dude that tries it on with her now lol.

I also knew a girl from Dublin who while walking home (in Dublin) was confronted by a guy intent on using is 'manlyhood' for no good; apparently she grabbed the offending member and snapped it in two...

Some people ask me why I go out with these girls; the answer is I didn't have much choice...
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There are loads of weirdos out there, I always make a point of walking any girls I'm with home because of that, but, once I was going out with a girl who could kick-box, I once sparred with her and quickly found out that she was more than adequately capable of defending herself after she nearly broke my arm with one kick...

I actually pity any dude that tries it on with her now lol.

I also knew a girl from Dublin who while walking home (in Dublin) was confronted by a guy intent on using is 'manlyhood' for no good; apparently she grabbed the offending member and snapped it in two...

Some people ask me why I go out with these girls; the answer is I didn't have much choice...
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There are loads of weirdos out there, I always make a point of walking any girls I'm with home because of that, but, once I was going out with a girl who could kick-box, I once sparred with her and quickly found out that she was more than adequately capable of defending herself after she nearly broke my arm with one kick...

I actually pity any dude that tries it on with her now lol.

I also knew a girl from Dublin who while walking home (in Dublin) was confronted by a guy intent on using is 'manlyhood' for no good; apparently she grabbed the offending member and snapped it in two...

Some people ask me why I go out with these girls; the answer is I didn't have much choice...
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There are loads of weirdos out there, I always make a point of walking any girls I'm with home because of that, but, once I was going out with a girl who could kick-box, I once sparred with her and quickly found out that she was more than adequately capable of defending herself after she nearly broke my arm with one kick...

I actually pity any dude that tries it on with her now lol.

I also knew a girl from Dublin who while walking home (in Dublin) was confronted by a guy intent on using is 'manlyhood' for no good; apparently she grabbed the offending member and snapped it in two...

Some people ask me why I go out with these girls; the answer is I didn't have much choice...
Btw, her name wasn't Gina Carano, was it?...
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Btw, her name wasn't Gina Carano, was it?...
well I was only play fighting, and I blocked the kick, but it was painful.. plus girls can fight too ya'know
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well I was only play fighting, and I blocked the kick, but it was painful.. plus girls can fight too ya'know
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When I was 14 years old, I was in a supermarket enjoying the possibility of trying out the just released Sega Saturn for free. I was the only girl playing, and next to me were two boys 8-12 years old.

While I was playing, some 40 year old guy approached us from the back and started poking us with this erection. In the beguinning I thought something innocent, only a couple of minutes later I noticed what was going on.

I was angry, panicking, and confused. I screamed in his face "Get lost, f@cker." But I never mentioned it to my parents or to the shop itself because somehow I felt the fault was mine.

Sexual assault, no matter how mild, messes with a person. It's quite common that you freeze with self-blame even if you have no reason to feel guilty.

It's not that easy to speak up, even in mild situations.
Please identify the color/race of the offender as OP has also mentioned.
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Please identify the color/race of the offender as OP has also mentioned.
That's a weird request... IMO

Sorry to butt in, but does race/color really play a role in this?
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Ok, I'll bite...

Why so?
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Huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh... Why would that matter? Wanting to check with your list of acquaintaces?
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This annoys the hell out of me.

So some schmuck thinks its a good idea to shoot up on drugs/drink himself out of his head. Then is stupid enough to go out and pick a fight / assault someone / kill someone by running him/her over by car and waddayaknow he is not (!) to blame since he intoxicated himself in the first place!!??

Give me a freakin break! It should be an aggravating circumstance ffs.

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As an add-on. I actually chatted to a guy I know who is a Zurich cop. Explained to him what happened. His answer was that the guy was probably on drugs or drunk. However, and here is the interesting part, he said, if that was the case (i.e. intoxicated), and we had had an "altercation", I would probably get most of the "blame". The reasons being that if he were 1) intoxicated, 2 younger than me (in this case likely), and 3) one on one, that somehow that "semi-excused" his actions, and therefore the responsibility would fall mainly on me... Even though he may have started it. I think you can guess what my view on that was...

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