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This annoys the hell out of me.

So some schmuck thinks its a good idea to shoot up on drugs/drink himself out of his head. Then is stupid enough to go out and pick a fight / assault someone / kill someone by running him/her over by car and waddayaknow he is not (!) to blame since he intoxicated himself in the first place!!??

Give me a freakin break! It should be an aggravating circumstance ffs.
Yip, I agree. Well he (cop) just recommended that if there is any question that you are in an even slightly stronger position (other guy is younger, smaller, drunker, drugger, etc...) then don't get involved.

Yeah well, no fine...
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Re: Weird incident (is Zurich really that safe?)

+1 to those feeling unsafe here

It was mainly theft accidents (4 during 5 years!) here with me, but once it was some kind of a wierd violence. Teenagers threw an egg into my face while I was phone calling in the tram and ran away - it was a tram stop.

At the beginning, I had misleading thinking that Switzerland is super safe - everyone told me that after I said I come from Moscow. BTW, nothing ever happened to me at my home city during 25 years!

Having said that I'm surprised to see so many kids staying alone on the street all day long...
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My mainly concern in Switzerland is the risk of having no help from witnesses and pass by people.

I feel much safer in Istanbul and Barcelona because people jump in to help you. I saw guys stopping and holding a man until police arrived in Istanbul. And in the metro here in barca, people took a woman out of the wagon after she became violent toward me and my son who was in the sling. She wasn't completely there mentally. But the point is people get involve and help and protect others here.... Something I didn't witness in Switzerland.
Arrghh and this is were it becomes really complicated and confusing. When Swiss people attempt to 'help' they are called busybodies- and when they don't, that they are not caring. Sometimes you just can't win. I am Swiss and I am always one who would stop and help, offer to be a witness, etc. Got my arm broken aged 8 the first time I did - and I would still do it, having assessed the level of danger - or call the police/ambulance immediately if it is too dangerous.
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If you compare the criminal statistics with other cities abroad, then you'll realize, that it is not all that save indeed.
Come to South Africa boet, and you'll realize Swiss cities are heaven.
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Yeah well, my story didn't take place in Chicago..it was Aarau (population of almost 20k http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aarau).
Compare the murder rate of NYC with the one in Zurich (roughly 50) and you'll understand that NYC isn't such a bad place after all.


Here, some interesting police report website.

http://polizeibericht.ch/ger_cat_306...gsdelikte.html
Well, Aarau ......, people there are in dire need of bits of entertainment.

New York ? the problem of New York, just as of other cities (not only in the USA) is that affluent folks evade to suburbia, making certain sectors of innercities "problem-zones". I on six visits to New York felt very well and loved the city, while I admittedly did not stay in problem zones (neither do I elsewhere). The comparison to Zurich is rubbish in so far as Greater NY, even if you exclude NJ/CT-suburbia, has more inhabitants than Switzerland in total. Or Manhattan has 1,5 mio inhabitants while Greater Zurich (city including outer suburbs) has 830'000 , Queens NY has some 2,2 mio, just for comparison. On my first flight back from the USA, on Aer Lingus to Dublin, my neighbour was a journalist of wayback Irish origin, and we enjoyed making weird humourous comparisons between Queens, Dublin and Zurich. We, over a glass of good Irish Whiskey, agreed that all three have undesirable or incredibly boring parts, rather to be avoided
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Re: Weird incident (is Zurich really that safe?)

Slightly off topic, I had a weird experience in Geneva, I am a 33 year old guy, and shall we say 'well built'. I had a guy who I think was african come and ask if I had a lighter, I said no and he put his arm round me and hopped with his left leg in between my legs. I pushed him off and his friend came over and said something then tried to do the exact same thing, I pushed him off and told him to....erm....go away. I am careful about where I put my wallet etc and I did not feel them try and take it, everything was still there. Just was really weird.

Really sorry to hear about your incident though, am just reading through all the comments, but had to get this off my chest. If you felt violated by it then its serious matter!
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Old 13.12.2011, 23:01
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Well, Aarau ......, people there are in dire need of bits of entertainment.

New York ? the problem of New York, just as of other cities (not only in the USA) is that affluent folks evade to suburbia, making certain sectors of innercities "problem-zones". I on six visits to New York felt very well and loved the city, while I admittedly did not stay in problem zones (neither do I elsewhere). The comparison to Zurich is rubbish in so far as Greater NY, even if you exclude NJ/CT-suburbia, has more inhabitants than Switzerland in total. Or Manhattan has 1,5 mio inhabitants while Greater Zurich (city including outer suburbs) has 830'000 , Queens NY has some 2,2 mio, just for comparison. On my first flight back from the USA, on Aer Lingus to Dublin, my neighbour was a journalist of wayback Irish origin, and we enjoyed making weird humourous comparisons between Queens, Dublin and Zurich. We, over a glass of good Irish Whiskey, agreed that all three have undesirable or incredibly boring parts, rather to be avoided
actually nowadays the problem is that the affluent people are in the city of new york pushing the others out to the suburbs. forest hills, little neck and other parts of queens are very affluent and are avoided only because they won't let most people in, not to mention much of harlem, brooklyn and the bronx now.

back on topic i had a similar, scary experience when i came (won't go into details you can look that up! if you really want) and a couple of years later i can tell you i am just as careful here as i was in nyc (actually more so because others tend to avoid getting involved if they don't know the situation) but i haven't had another problem because i am not nearly as naive to think it doesn't happen here. and i've gotten my big mouth back anytime i've seen anything happen like that to anyone else. next time you'll be on your guard more and think of this as a wake up call - i hate to say you can't do anything but there isn't much more you can feasibly do . it sucks, it makes a really horrible feeling and i'm really sorry it happened to you as i think i know exactly how you feel. big hugs
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Re: Weird incident (is Zurich really that safe?)

Interesting discussion!
To be honest, I have been living here in Zurich for 15 months, and I honestly believed that Zurich is the safest place on earth (as in, I would have no qualms about going running in the middle of the night).
A myth debunked and a lesson learned: constant vigilance!
...and more running, since I need to get faster and fitter...
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actually nowadays the problem is that the affluent people are in the city of new york pushing the others out to the suburbs. forest hills, little neck and other parts of queens are very affluent and are avoided only because they won't let most people in, not to mention much of harlem, brooklyn and the bronx now.
This is an interesting aspect, closely related to crime. That development you mention nowadays also takes place in Europe. That those affluent folks who one or two or three decades ago fled to suburbia now return and place themselves into luxurious new buildings and drives the original locals out, out to suburbia.

In Zürich, some time ago, there was a bit of crime in Seebach, not drastic, but people were shocked. It was not a real problem except that the police force of the city police in place in Seebach simply was unable to cope. A segment of business, gastronomy and society no longer able to pay the rents in downtown had moved out to inner and outer suburbs, generally much to the advantage of these places, but on some occasions also bringing social problems with them. Glattbrugg, in a similar situation like Seebach, but being an independent city, could simply build up its two police forces in reply to requirements. The Zürich-City police-force, as I heard, under pressure of the City Government fearing for the "reputation" of Zürich, in the meantime apparently has reacted as it should have had a few years ago.
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Re: Weird incident (is Zurich really that safe?)

for those in basel, be aware there have been a recent spate of attacks on the elderly, some rapes in open places and burglary.... could also just be reoprted in the media more than normal though.
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My mainly concern in Switzerland is the risk of having no help from witnesses and pass by people.

I feel much safer in Istanbul and Barcelona because people jump in to help you. I saw guys stopping and holding a man until police arrived in Istanbul. And in the metro here in barca, people took a woman out of the wagon after she became violent toward me and my son who was in the sling. She wasn't completely there mentally. But the point is people get involve and help and protect others here.... Something I didn't witness in Switzerland.
Interesting post. I've not been exposed to violence here such that I can personally judge how people do or don't get involved.

But what's ironic in a sense is that I've been confronted with the most violence overall in the UK yet this is one place where people often intervene. This includes both personal situations I've witnessed and those I've been involved in with Victim Support. Unfortunately, it doesn't always go well and getting involved can leave more people hurt so it's something to consider.

But for other instances, it's of great help. One time, a young teen was attacked and beaten on the main street, before the thugs ran off. Myself and several other people helped the boy, which actually embarrassed him more than anything I think..bless him. I got some ice and a cloth for his face from a nearby restaurant and someone else called 999.

Where I was once personally confronted with violence in Canada, nobody did a darn thing. I was only about 11 or 12 years old and had just gotten off the bus to call my mum for a ride to our house about ten minutes away. Some middle-aged guy came up behind me, yanked the payphone out of my hand and started swearing and yelling at me (think he may have been on drugs actually). He grabbed the front of my shirt and pulled me up to his face so he could scream in my face. Onlookers watched and nobody did anything, despite me being a kid (looked even younger than I was too). After, I was crying and went inside the supermarket beside the phone to call my mother and they didn't even want to let me use their phone. I told them what happened and they were still resistant.
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Where I was once personally confronted with violence in Canada, nobody did a darn thing. I was only about 11 or 12 years old and had just gotten off the bus to call my mum for a ride to our house about ten minutes away. Some middle-aged guy came up behind me, yanked the payphone out of my hand and started swearing and yelling at me (think he may have been on drugs actually). He grabbed the front of my shirt and pulled me up to his face so he could scream in my face. Onlookers watched and nobody did anything, despite me being a kid (looked even younger than I was too). After, I was crying and went inside the supermarket beside the phone to call my mother and they didn't even want to let me use their phone. I told them what happened and they were still resistant.
God that's awful. I have a niece just a bit younger than that and it kills me to think anyone would do something like that then nobody help her out. I couldn't bear to see any kid go through that and not want to rush over and look after them.
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The murder rate in Zurich hovers around 50 per year. For london it is around 140 per year. So in that case, as london is many times bigger than zurich, then in zurich there are about 3x as many murders per head of population as in London. It is not just that Zurich is dangerous and london not (relatively speaking).... the same approximate ratio holds also for several other places in Europe, such as Lisbon. Most people expect it to be the other way around... many more murders in london. I too was surprised.
Sorry, but the murder rate for Zurich is in no way anywhere near 50 per year. For whole Swizerland the numbers for 2010 are: 53 homicide (murder and manslaughter) cases and 189 attempted cases.

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...just recently, man sought after fondling a 17 year old girl and following and trying to kiss a 50 year old woman.

http://www.blick.ch/news/schweiz/bas...-taeter-189634
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I was once approached by a man who had his hand in his pants while waiting for the Tram. I am not sure Zürich is more safe than other cities.
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I was once approached by a man who had his hand in his pants while waiting for the Tram. I am not sure Zürich is more safe than other cities.
Maybe his ferret had got loose..
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Brilliant,Sandgrounder,simply brilliant!!The funniest thing I've read in ages.

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I was once approached by a man who had his hand in his pants while waiting for the Tram. I am not sure Zürich is more safe than other cities.

Yes I agree. Masturbation can kill.
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To the OP I am really sorry that happened to you. The last thing you need when you go out running is to deal with some freaks. Since I have been here I have had no problems with violence or people insulting or attacking me, and I live in Zurich city. But I am a guy so I guess I'm less prone to those things happening to me. Nevertheless attacks of the nature described can be really humiliating so I'm sorry it happened to you. At the end of the day it does not matter where such things happen to you, whether you are in the States, Switzerland or wherever, it has no effect on how you feel. You should run with a friend or grab some mace. The last thing you should do is quit running and living your life in the same manner you lived it before though.
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Yes I agree. Masturbation can kill.
I thought it only made you blind!
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