Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Living in Switzerland > Daily life  
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 12.12.2011, 21:23
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Zurich
Posts: 73
Groaned at 1 Time in 1 Post
Thanked 57 Times in 31 Posts
tryingtolikech has earned some respecttryingtolikech has earned some respect
Weird incident (is Zurich really that safe?)

So, today "someone attacked me in a sexual way" (I am using quotes because the incident was really "mild" - but still, what is this city coming to...?)

This is the exact email I sent to the Kantonpolizei:

Quote:
Hello,
I would like to report the following incident:

Today at 18:40 I was entering the tram station at Waldgarten (from the northern entrance) when a young man ran towards me, hugged me, forcefully tried to touch my genitals and then ran outside again.

He was fairly dark-skinned, was wearing jeans and a leather jacket and was quite young (perhaps 16+).
Unfortunately, I was totally taken by surprise and had no time to react or observe him better.

I am just reporting the incident for your information, since I am totally unharmed (albeit a bit angry).
I wanted to add that I am 29 years old and reasonably fit (but the guy was really fast).
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank tryingtolikech for this useful post:
  #2  
Old 12.12.2011, 21:31
lost_inbroad's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Town or region
Posts: 11,491
Groaned at 655 Times in 417 Posts
Thanked 16,388 Times in 6,379 Posts
lost_inbroad has a reputation beyond reputelost_inbroad has a reputation beyond reputelost_inbroad has a reputation beyond reputelost_inbroad has a reputation beyond reputelost_inbroad has a reputation beyond reputelost_inbroad has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Weird incident (is Zurich really that safe?)

Quote:
View Post
So, today "someone attacked me in a sexual way" (I am using quotes because the incident was really "mild" - but still, what is this city coming to...?)

This is the exact email I sent to the Kantonpolizei:



I wanted to add that I am 29 years old and reasonably fit (but the guy was really fast).
If you compare the criminal statistics with other cities abroad, then you'll realize, that it is not all that save indeed.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 12.12.2011, 21:33
Wallabies's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Winterthur
Posts: 3,219
Groaned at 311 Times in 176 Posts
Thanked 3,314 Times in 1,577 Posts
Wallabies has a reputation beyond reputeWallabies has a reputation beyond reputeWallabies has a reputation beyond reputeWallabies has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Weird incident (is Zurich really that safe?)

He was probably trying to pickpocket you
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank Wallabies for this useful post:
  #4  
Old 12.12.2011, 21:46
nickatbasel's Avatar
Mod, Chips and Mushy Peas
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Albisrieden
Posts: 5,382
Groaned at 165 Times in 103 Posts
Thanked 8,565 Times in 3,176 Posts
nickatbasel has a reputation beyond reputenickatbasel has a reputation beyond reputenickatbasel has a reputation beyond reputenickatbasel has a reputation beyond reputenickatbasel has a reputation beyond reputenickatbasel has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Weird incident (is Zurich really that safe?)

Have you checked your wallet and cards?

Cheers,
Nick
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank nickatbasel for this useful post:
  #5  
Old 12.12.2011, 22:00
Assassin's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Chasing clouds
Posts: 4,023
Groaned at 180 Times in 123 Posts
Thanked 11,558 Times in 3,148 Posts
Assassin has a reputation beyond reputeAssassin has a reputation beyond reputeAssassin has a reputation beyond reputeAssassin has a reputation beyond reputeAssassin has a reputation beyond reputeAssassin has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Weird incident (is Zurich really that safe?)

I was going to ask if you were male or female, but then I figured that a guy wouldn't report being hugged, nor suggest that a hug have a sexual nature.

I guess it's a bit of a surprising thing to happen. My reflex would be violence, but that's just me ...
Reply With Quote
The following 8 users would like to thank Assassin for this useful post:
  #6  
Old 12.12.2011, 22:46
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Zurich
Posts: 73
Groaned at 1 Time in 1 Post
Thanked 57 Times in 31 Posts
tryingtolikech has earned some respecttryingtolikech has earned some respect
Re: Weird incident (is Zurich really that safe?)

I was so angry that I omitted the basic information:
First, I am indeed a girl.
Second, I was out running (in sports clothes) and was not carrying anything valuable (apart from my key and my GA).
So I am positive that the goal was not to pickpocket me.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 12.12.2011, 22:50
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Zurich
Posts: 73
Groaned at 1 Time in 1 Post
Thanked 57 Times in 31 Posts
tryingtolikech has earned some respecttryingtolikech has earned some respect
Re: Weird incident (is Zurich really that safe?)

Quote:
View Post
I was going to ask if you were male or female, but then I figured that a guy wouldn't report being hugged, nor suggest that a hug have a sexual nature.

I guess it's a bit of a surprising thing to happen. My reflex would be violence, but that's just me ...
Assassin, I *wish* I had been fast enough for violence (I am so inclined - mentally).
Somehow, I am very disappointed at myself for being so slow to react. I even heard running footsteps approaching me at the staircase of the tram station several seconds before he grappled me. But I just assumed someone was really in a hurry to get to the tram, or just running sprints!

Grrr
Reply With Quote
The following 4 users would like to thank tryingtolikech for this useful post:
  #8  
Old 12.12.2011, 23:34
Wollishofener's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Glattbrugg
Posts: 18,978
Groaned at 332 Times in 257 Posts
Thanked 11,715 Times in 6,858 Posts
Wollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Weird incident (is Zurich really that safe?)

Quote:
View Post
If you compare the criminal statistics with other cities abroad, then you'll realize, that it is not all that save indeed.
I think I have to buy and read THIS book



There apparently are more weird people around than expected. And that the chap is so young is the disturbing thing.

HOWEVER

At the other end, he possibly made a bet that he would do "it" as described, and found the matter even exceedingly weird. Who knows....
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 12.12.2011, 23:38
FMX's Avatar
FMX FMX is offline
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: BE
Posts: 704
Groaned at 1 Time in 1 Post
Thanked 461 Times in 260 Posts
FMX is considered knowledgeableFMX is considered knowledgeableFMX is considered knowledgeable
Re: Weird incident (is Zurich really that safe?)

Quote:
View Post
...
Second, I was out running (in sports clothes) and was not carrying anything valuable (apart from my key and my GA).
So I am positive that the goal was not to pickpocket me.
...well you knew that you didn't have anything valuable on you...but the guy probably didn't...
I'm happy for you it wasn't worse in the end.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 13.12.2011, 02:10
cannut's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: canada
Posts: 6,913
Groaned at 182 Times in 142 Posts
Thanked 6,191 Times in 3,404 Posts
cannut has a reputation beyond reputecannut has a reputation beyond reputecannut has a reputation beyond reputecannut has a reputation beyond reputecannut has a reputation beyond reputecannut has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Weird incident (is Zurich really that safe?)

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopo...mage/image.jpg
Is this the SOB ?
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 13.12.2011, 03:12
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Zurich
Posts: 73
Groaned at 1 Time in 1 Post
Thanked 57 Times in 31 Posts
tryingtolikech has earned some respecttryingtolikech has earned some respect
Re: Weird incident (is Zurich really that safe?)

Unfortunately not!
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 13.12.2011, 07:13
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Lutry, Switzerland
Posts: 148
Groaned at 4 Times in 3 Posts
Thanked 133 Times in 45 Posts
Scarsdale has earned the respect of manyScarsdale has earned the respect of manyScarsdale has earned the respect of many
Re: Weird incident (is Zurich really that safe?)

No way was this young fellow trying to pickpocket you. This was an act of violation and of course you weren't prepared to react. Who could be prepared for something like this?

When I was a teen growing up near NYC, I remember walking down the street with a group of friends and a similar-aged boy going past me grabbed my crotch for a moment and then he and his buddies walked away laughing. It was so quick my friends didn't even notice but I was completely shocked.

Apparently, there is a term for this act, but now I've forgotten it.

As a woman runner, you have to be extra wary I'm afraid. In Colorado a smallish person has to be careful running because it gets the mountain lions excited for a chase. Unfortunately, some people react similarly. I've been a runner my whole life. I'd never give up that freedom and that's part of what I love about CH because I do feel much safer here overall. But you have to listen to your sixth sense.

I'm sorry this terrible thing happened to you. Give yourself some extra pampering and time to recover. It may take a little while, but you'll feel better about the situation with some support from your friends.
Reply With Quote
The following 7 users would like to thank Scarsdale for this useful post:
  #13  
Old 13.12.2011, 08:18
olygirl's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: d' Innerschwiiz
Posts: 7,756
Groaned at 419 Times in 282 Posts
Thanked 18,265 Times in 5,656 Posts
olygirl has a reputation beyond reputeolygirl has a reputation beyond reputeolygirl has a reputation beyond reputeolygirl has a reputation beyond reputeolygirl has a reputation beyond reputeolygirl has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Weird incident (is Zurich really that safe?)

Quote:
View Post

I'm sorry this terrible thing happened to you. Give yourself some extra pampering and time to recover. It may take a little while, but you'll feel better about the situation with some support from your friends.
Couldn't have said it better. You have every right to feel violated. It happened too quickly for you to react immediately and writing to the police was the correct thing to do.

When I was pregnant and shopping at the mall many years ago, a child of Balkan descent came up to me and punched me in the stomach, gave me a look of despair and then walked away. The punch wasn't hard enough to do any harm and I couldn't help but think how much pain that child had been through to do something like that.

Why don't men just stick to porn and punching bags instead of acting out their fantasies?
__________________
Faith isn't about everything turning out okay. Faith is about being okay no matter how things turn out.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 13.12.2011, 08:46
krlock3's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Zürich
Posts: 3,117
Groaned at 48 Times in 35 Posts
Thanked 2,426 Times in 1,152 Posts
krlock3 has a reputation beyond reputekrlock3 has a reputation beyond reputekrlock3 has a reputation beyond reputekrlock3 has a reputation beyond reputekrlock3 has a reputation beyond reputekrlock3 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Weird incident (is Zurich really that safe?)

No city is completely safe. Statistically a low crime rate here in switzerland, but that obviously does not mean crime will not happen.

As your name is "tryingtolikech" it does suggest that you are maybe not always comfortable here (at least when you named yourself!), and this event will not help. But it is very possible to like CH. I love it. I have been here for ten years and so far had little trouble except an apartment break in (also a very violating feeling I can say).

However, how about this. The murder rate in Zurich hovers around 50 per year. For london it is around 140 per year. So in that case, as london is many times bigger than zurich, then in zurich there are about 3x as many murders per head of population as in London. It is not just that Zurich is dangerous and london not (relatively speaking).... the same approximate ratio holds also for several other places in Europe, such as Lisbon. Most people expect it to be the other way around... many more murders in london. I too was surprised.

Shocking? Depends. The big majority of murders happen between people who know each other. So you are very unlikely to be part of that statistic through jogging around Zurich.

Im not a morbid person. The reason I know this is because a few weeks ago I was in Juarez in mexico. Population is the same as zurich. 3100 murders in 2010 (mostly drug cartel related). This prompted me to look into murder rates in general during a quiet moment. Two final stats: UK as a whole, around 800 per year. USA: 16,000 pa. Sounds like a salary rather than a murder rate.
__________________
krlock3.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank krlock3 for this useful post:
  #15  
Old 13.12.2011, 08:56
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Weird incident (is Zurich really that safe?)

Quote:
View Post
However, how about this. The murder rate in Zurich hovers around 50 per year. For london it is around 140 per year. So in that case, as london is many times bigger than zurich, then in zurich there are about 3x as many murders per head of population as in London. It is not just that Zurich is dangerous and london not (relatively speaking).... the same approximate ratio holds also for several other places in Europe, such as Lisbon. Most people expect it to be the other way around... many more murders in london. I too was surprised.
Seeing as the populations of Greater London and Switzerland are comparable (7-ish million), it might be better looking at crime rates for these two instead of Zurich and London.

I agree you get nutters everywhere and whereas the incident described by the OP was unpleasant at least she managed to get away unharmed and just hopping mad.

It's easy to start pointing fingers and saying "Everyone told me Switzerland was crime free before I came here" but I think you have to take it with a huge pinch of reality.

There was a brutal murder on the remote further reaches of the Outer Hebrides in Scotland a couple of weeks ago and one of the main points they were making was that it is normally "crime free" and "the last murder had been in 1964". It's so easy to make people complacent and I think that's what happens with expats here which, in turn, could possibly make them easy-pickings.
Reply With Quote
The following 4 users would like to thank for this useful post:
  #16  
Old 13.12.2011, 09:16
Me Myself & I's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Züri
Posts: 1,007
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 609 Times in 341 Posts
Me Myself & I has a reputation beyond reputeMe Myself & I has a reputation beyond reputeMe Myself & I has a reputation beyond reputeMe Myself & I has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Weird incident (is Zurich really that safe?)

Quote:
It's so easy to make people complacent and I think that's what happens with expats here which, in turn, could possibly make them easy-pickings.
I don't think it's only the expats Sandgrounder, I think the locals are just as complacent as us, if not even more. My wife, a local, thinks no crime exists here whatsover. As a person who grew up where there is more crime than here, I'm much more careful than her.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Me Myself & I for this useful post:
  #17  
Old 13.12.2011, 09:24
little_isabella's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Zurich
Posts: 1,094
Groaned at 18 Times in 15 Posts
Thanked 1,387 Times in 550 Posts
little_isabella has a reputation beyond reputelittle_isabella has a reputation beyond reputelittle_isabella has a reputation beyond reputelittle_isabella has a reputation beyond reputelittle_isabella has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Weird incident (is Zurich really that safe?)

Quote:
View Post
When I was a teen growing up near NYC, I remember walking down the street with a group of friends and a similar-aged boy going past me grabbed my crotch for a moment and then he and his buddies walked away laughing. It was so quick my friends didn't even notice but I was completely shocked.

Apparently, there is a term for this act, but now I've forgotten it.
Similar version of this happened to me when I was about 11 or 12 years-old in Britain. Some guys were walking toward me and they said something obscene I won't write here, before one reached out to grab my breasts. They thought it was funny. I just felt stupid and embarrassed.
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 13.12.2011, 09:29
little_isabella's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Zurich
Posts: 1,094
Groaned at 18 Times in 15 Posts
Thanked 1,387 Times in 550 Posts
little_isabella has a reputation beyond reputelittle_isabella has a reputation beyond reputelittle_isabella has a reputation beyond reputelittle_isabella has a reputation beyond reputelittle_isabella has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Weird incident (is Zurich really that safe?)

Quote:
View Post
When I was pregnant and shopping at the mall many years ago, a child of Balkan descent came up to me and punched me in the stomach, gave me a look of despair and then walked away. The punch wasn't hard enough to do any harm and I couldn't help but think how much pain that child had been through to do something like that.
Eep. I am glad you were okay. How did the police respond to your complaint at the time?
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 13.12.2011, 09:55
summerrain's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Zürich
Posts: 4,350
Groaned at 4 Times in 4 Posts
Thanked 985 Times in 325 Posts
summerrain has a reputation beyond reputesummerrain has a reputation beyond reputesummerrain has a reputation beyond reputesummerrain has a reputation beyond reputesummerrain has a reputation beyond reputesummerrain has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Weird incident (is Zurich really that safe?)

Quote:
View Post
So, today "someone attacked me in a sexual way" (I am using quotes because the incident was really "mild" - but still, what is this city coming to...?)

This is the exact email I sent to the Kantonpolizei:



I wanted to add that I am 29 years old and reasonably fit (but the guy was really fast).
Crikey! Sometimes I wish owning and using a taser gun is legal here. Would love to carry it in my hand during rush hour for people who dont get out of the way and for perverts like this.

I am so sorry to hear about that incident. Doesnt sound like he was trying to pickpocket you. Its just really unfortunate to experience a violation like that. I would have been livid afterwards

Do let us know how the police respond.
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 13.12.2011, 10:05
TheWolverine's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Zürich
Posts: 1,490
Groaned at 13 Times in 11 Posts
Thanked 1,378 Times in 688 Posts
TheWolverine has a reputation beyond reputeTheWolverine has a reputation beyond reputeTheWolverine has a reputation beyond reputeTheWolverine has a reputation beyond reputeTheWolverine has a reputation beyond reputeTheWolverine has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Weird incident (is Zurich really that safe?)

Switzerland is relatively safe compared to most other places in the world. That being said, no matter how safe a place is, there is always some idiot who does stuff like this.
And if the victim happens to be someone new to the country, it paints a bad picture.

OP, glad that you are fine. I think you did the right thing by reporting this to the police.

It is always wise to be a little careful when outside. You never know when there will be some idiot who had one too many drinks / or some kid just being an jerk out there.

Stay safe.
__________________
"You picked the wrong house, Bub"
Reply With Quote
Reply




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Is the current employment situation really that bad? detroitpistons#1 Employment 15 07.10.2011 16:36
Is Switzerland really that boring? baba tenor Complaints corner 91 06.07.2011 17:18
WATERBOARDING: is it really that bad? The_Love_Doctor International affairs/politics 110 19.11.2010 17:34
Is your postman really all that hot? or is this just another myth ... Sada General off-topic 31 28.01.2010 23:13
Is all that stuff really necessary??? esmeinbs Permits/visas/government 2 11.10.2009 17:52


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 15:23.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2022, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0