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Old 17.12.2011, 18:07
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Wow.....that sure puts things in perspective. My thoughts are with you at this difficult time.
Thanks. That makes me feel much better. I was going to put them back, but when I went on my balcony I immediately noticed that it was a bit cold, so I went back inside.

I'm going to give the IMF a call to see if they have an "infrastructure rebuilding" loan available to Basel for this kind of emergency.
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Old 17.12.2011, 18:12
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Thanks. That makes me feel much better. I was going to put them back, but when I went on my balcony I immediately noticed that it was a bit cold, so I went back inside.

I'm going to give the IMF a call to see if they have an "infrastructure rebuilding" loan available to Basel for this kind of emergency.
I'm on my way to provide warmth and support. Isn't that what EF is for?
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Old 17.12.2011, 19:08
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All ok in Geneva. The wind lasted half a day only. We had some snow yesterday though
Same in Lausanne. I didn't actually know there had been so many problems in other parts of the country, for me it was just some wind for 1 day.
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Re: Thunderstorm 'Joachim' - how did you fare?

My office is down at Schifflande and looks out directly onto the Rheine. We saw the huge Christmas tree next to the 3 Kings Hotel just blow over!! People just kept walking past so a chap from our office ran down and looked under the tree just to check that there wasn't a little old lady trapped under there!
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Old 18.12.2011, 00:17
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I guess we were a lot more lucky in Western Switzerland. I noticed heavy rains and it was quite windy, but nothing like what you described. Nothing out of ordinary at least.
To me, Basel and the Jura-regions west of Biel are Western Switzerland. In Zürich and most of Eastern Switzerland it was mostly heavy rains and very windy. Among the exceptions was Schaffhausen, particularily the northern areas like the Klettgau

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Thanks. That makes me feel much better. I was going to put them back, but when I went on my balcony I immediately noticed that it was a bit cold, so I went back inside.

I'm going to give the IMF a call to see if they have an "infrastructure rebuilding" loan available to Basel for this kind of emergency.
I am taking a plane right now and leave kids behind to come to you. In such difficult time someone needs to have a nice warm soup.
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My husband flew in from Zurich last evening and said that the take-off was particularly hairy. Several flights out of Zurich were either cancelled or subject to long delay.
To put the record straight, almost no flights were cancelled because of local conditions at Zurich Airport, and those which got cancelled got so as the flight-crews made that decision. Flights in general were cancelled due to the conditions at the airports of origin+destination.

No comparison with Storm Lothar in early 2000

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I was on the last flight into Zurich before they closed it for 40 minutes or so......landing was a bit bumpy and the firetrucks waiting by the runway with lights flashing waiting to go party reassured but not much!

Then needed to sit on the plane for an hour as "ground operations were suspended because of the storm"! I never heard of that before
This was denied by the spokeswoman of Zurich Airport. Many planes on the approach had to suffer some delays, but the Airport was not closed at any time.

Back to above. Yes, during storm Lothar, the airport at times had to close down for an hour, but certainly not this time
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Old 18.12.2011, 00:58
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The winds were gusting around 30 knots at ZRH until around 6pm Friday, then it went kind of crazy with some 60 to 70 knot gusts. The issue wasn't if the flights could fly, but that there were a high proportion of overshoots (aborted landings) which kept ATC most of the day and messed up the inbound slots. ZRH is a bit awkward when you overshoot from the north as it affects the take off régime for departures from runway 16. The rapid temperature drop during the evening also required the de-icing crew to man their stations, which all meant delays. But time well spent if you want your airplane free of ice.
Valid point indeed. Overshoots, as necessary as they often are, of course cause heavy delays to the traffic overall. I think, Mrs Zöchling spoke about delays between 10 and 90 minutes or something like that
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Old 18.12.2011, 08:14
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This was denied by the spokeswoman of Zurich Airport. Many planes on the approach had to suffer some delays, but the Airport was not closed at any time.

Back to above. Yes, during storm Lothar, the airport at times had to close down for an hour, but certainly not this time
In a predictable case of pedantry of definition from the Swiss airport authorities whenever any degree of failure is in the air.....I don't know what constitutes a "closure" but....

1. Nothing landed in the 45 minutes after my flight landed (I could see all runways)
2. Only one flight took off in that time - I saw it
3. No planes were taxi-ing to runways
4. No passenger buses or luggage services etc were operating to planes either at gates or at remote stations

So if stuff ain't landing, stuff ain't taking off and stuff ain't being moved at an airport.....that's good enough to call it "closed" in my eyes
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Old 18.12.2011, 08:32
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In a predictable case of pedantry of definition from the Swiss airport authorities whenever any degree of failure is in the air.....I don't know what constitutes a "closure" but....

1. Nothing landed in the 45 minutes after my flight landed (I could see all runways)
2. Only one flight took off in that time - I saw it
3. No planes were taxi-ing to runways
4. No passenger buses or luggage services etc were operating to planes either at gates or at remote stations

So if stuff ain't landing, stuff ain't taking off and stuff ain't being moved at an airport.....that's good enough to call it "closed" in my eyes
maybe the airport wasn't closed, but the staff took an unscheduled 40 minute tea break?
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Old 18.12.2011, 11:22
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In a predictable case of pedantry of definition from the Swiss airport authorities whenever any degree of failure is in the air.....I don't know what constitutes a "closure" but....

1. Nothing landed in the 45 minutes after my flight landed (I could see all runways)
2. Only one flight took off in that time - I saw it
3. No planes were taxi-ing to runways
4. No passenger buses or luggage services etc were operating to planes either at gates or at remote stations

So if stuff ain't landing, stuff ain't taking off and stuff ain't being moved at an airport.....that's good enough to call it "closed" in my eyes
This is not the first time that ZRH-apt in general and Mrs Zöchling went into "Beschönigung" (beautifulization ? ) of the situation, but with one flight seen by you taking off, their point gets proven. Reality of course is that most people in a critical period of such a storm will NOT risk a start. Our partner arrived from New York when the storm had just started to get to the Zürich area and said that the whole approach until fairly short before landing was exceedingly scary but that the last few hundred meters were relatively harmless

The language of airport-authorities are comparable to the one of pilots telling passengers "the weather at .... is fine" when in reality it is rainy and windy and lousy

Back to ZRH-apt. When "Lothar" arrived, ZRH-apt. got closed for about two hours and announced this quite openly.
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maybe the airport wasn't closed, but the staff took an unscheduled 40 minute tea break?
You apparently are a "victim" of the propaganda of airlines and airports. All those gates look elegant and fine, but look out of the window and look on what 1960-vintage carts the baggage and the bulk-load-NONULD-cargo is brought round and at the facilities for the catering. NO, I do not believe that the staff had a 40 minl. tea break, but that they had between 40 minutes and 4 hours overtime, and worked hard to prepare things. Half an hour can go lost in case of problems. These are facts hardly known to those in the airport management, or even on management level of the "operating companies".

In short, it was not a "closure" it was just, to use official language again, "delayed services due to circumstances"
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