Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Living in Switzerland > Daily life  
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #241  
Old 31.05.2010, 20:22
Newbie 1st class
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: St. Gallen
Posts: 14
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 7 Times in 4 Posts
NekroStevo has no particular reputation at present
Re: Laundry Woes

I have lived in a lot of countries and without doubt Switzerland is the most difficult place to get simple things done.
Reply With Quote
The following 4 users would like to thank NekroStevo for this useful post:
  #242  
Old 31.05.2010, 20:39
Chemmie's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Zurich
Posts: 4,150
Groaned at 33 Times in 29 Posts
Thanked 4,955 Times in 2,235 Posts
Chemmie has a reputation beyond reputeChemmie has a reputation beyond reputeChemmie has a reputation beyond reputeChemmie has a reputation beyond reputeChemmie has a reputation beyond reputeChemmie has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Laundry Woes

I also have machines which only take 20s. But I have quite the collection ready for my wash days.

The interesting thing, is that each of the (3) machines use the money at a different rate, so the key is to get the cheap machine or you end up paying 3x as much for a load.

You get used to it.
Reply With Quote
  #243  
Old 31.05.2010, 20:43
mirfield's Avatar
Moddy Wellies
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: North Yorkshire
Posts: 8,729
Groaned at 53 Times in 47 Posts
Thanked 9,942 Times in 3,654 Posts
mirfield has a reputation beyond reputemirfield has a reputation beyond reputemirfield has a reputation beyond reputemirfield has a reputation beyond reputemirfield has a reputation beyond reputemirfield has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Laundry Woes

Quote:
View Post
I also have machines which only take 20s. But I have quite the collection ready for my wash days.

The interesting thing, is that each of the (3) machines use the money at a different rate, so the key is to get the cheap machine or you end up paying 3x as much for a load.
If you out all those 20s in a sock and wait behind the laundry door, you can increase your chances significantly.
Reply With Quote
  #244  
Old 31.05.2010, 20:48
swisspea's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Around Lake Zurich
Posts: 6,406
Groaned at 42 Times in 31 Posts
Thanked 6,562 Times in 3,001 Posts
swisspea has a reputation beyond reputeswisspea has a reputation beyond reputeswisspea has a reputation beyond reputeswisspea has a reputation beyond reputeswisspea has a reputation beyond reputeswisspea has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Laundry Woes

We did nearly 2 years in an apartment with 3 days washing and 10 days no washing. Plus no washing on Sundays.

At the beginning, it would take me 14 loads to do the fortnight's worth - family of 5...

Over time we worked out how to stuff the washing machine completely full....and to wear clothes a couple of times before washing.

Needless to say, our new apartment has a washing machine and dryer...and I am taking great delight in filling the charity bag with all the worn out clothes that we've kept wearing because we needed them to get through the fortnight...

As for the 20 rappen...don't you just *love* how your washing gets locked in the machine if you run out of coins ???
Reply With Quote
  #245  
Old 31.05.2010, 22:34
foliorose's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Zürich Seefeld
Posts: 379
Groaned at 10 Times in 6 Posts
Thanked 306 Times in 146 Posts
foliorose has earned some respectfoliorose has earned some respect
Re: Laundry Woes

Quote:
View Post
Nope but since all your posts here have been complains i guess i should thank you for providing a boring days entertainment.

I have just one question. Why did you move here? Did you do any research of the place at all? Or did you think that Switzerland is the same as the US?
While there is much to love in Switzerland, unfortunately there is much to complain about as well. How do you know the poster is from the US? I'm sure that laundry is just as easy in Canada as it in the US! As far as why people move to Switzerland and whether they do research ahead of time: People generally move to Switzerland because of $MONEY$ and once they see the salary offer on the contract, don't feel the need to do much further research... From then on, it's a perplexing journey in the land of moolah, cows, mountains, chocolate and inconvenience! It's the minutiae of everyday life that we experience constantly that makes us complain. It's easy to start a thread while waiting for a load of laundry to finish. Conversely, when you're on a hike in the mountains, your computer is nowhere in sight and that's why you see fewer exalting posts and more complaining ones. Glad you got a good laugh on your boring day, though!
Reply With Quote
  #246  
Old 01.08.2010, 11:37
mpk's Avatar
mpk mpk is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Zürich, ZH
Posts: 123
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 182 Times in 63 Posts
mpk is considered knowledgeablempk is considered knowledgeablempk is considered knowledgeable
The Abandoned Laundry Quandary

We're relatively lucky by Zürich standards in that our block has a flexible laundry system - eight apartments, two washers, two driers, and although everyone has a slot between Monday-Thursday there's nothing booked Friday-Sunday, thus making it a free-for-all. Works reasonably well, all told.

Having got back from holiday yesterday and having a fairly urgent need for clean clothes, I happily skipped down to the laundry this morning with two baskets of washing. But oh no! Both the dryers and both washers were full yet idle, having clearly been left overnight. I came back an hour later and they still hadn't been cleared, so eventually stepped way out of my comfort zone, dumped their stuff out onto the top of the machines and put our washing in anyway before running away in case the mystery launderer returned and yelled at me. Gotta have clean clothes, y'know, and anyway, the fact that they'd used an entire washing machine to wash two towels made me feel more righteous.

Being an intensely ethical being who was noted in school reports 25 years ago as being 'tenaciously philosophical', I've been trying to weigh up the rights and wrongs of my actions with the aid of my knowledge of Swiss attitudes and society. There's clearly a complex equation here.

On the one hand, high importance is placed on peoples' privacy, and rummaging around in their laundry seems at least to this Briton like something of a violation of their privacy. On the other hand, casual flouting of accepted laundry etiquette such as the importance of clearing your stuff out of the machine so other people can do their laundry is very un-Swiss. A third factor, however, is that as the rules don't give anyone exclusive use of the washing machines at weekends, in theory that gives one the right to leave laundry in the machine until Monday morning...

Maybe the correct thing to do would have been to dump their stuff out of the machines, leave an apologetic note for doing so, but then also leave an angry note berating them for not leaving the washer cleaned out or cleaning the dryer's lint tray. No wonder this country sometimes makes me feel a little schizophrenic.

I guess what I need is a precise method of calculating (to the minute, ideally) exactly how long washing has to be left abandoned in the machine before it's socially acceptable to dump it out. There's probably an official formula for this. It probably also varies subtly depending on which canton you live in..
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank mpk for this useful post:
  #247  
Old 01.08.2010, 11:44
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Zurich
Posts: 13,871
Groaned at 1,320 Times in 886 Posts
Thanked 20,733 Times in 7,947 Posts
Chuff has a reputation beyond reputeChuff has a reputation beyond reputeChuff has a reputation beyond reputeChuff has a reputation beyond reputeChuff has a reputation beyond reputeChuff has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Abandoned Laundry Quandary

Personally I take out others washing or drying the moment it hits my time slot. If I can find out who it is from the book i'll ring their bell and tell them, if not it goes straight out onto the top of the washer. For me it's a personal bugbear when I find people have left their stuff in the washer or dryer, knowing full well that the machines (only one of each) are shared and that someone else needs to do their washing, it's completely selfish, and I have no time whatsoever to waste worrying about what's "socially acceptable"... I do my washing once every 2 weeks and nothing gets in the way of it!
Reply With Quote
The following 4 users would like to thank Chuff for this useful post:
  #248  
Old 01.08.2010, 12:00
Upthehatters2008's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: In the kitchen at parties.
Posts: 4,540
Groaned at 204 Times in 120 Posts
Thanked 6,078 Times in 2,378 Posts
Upthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond reputeUpthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond reputeUpthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond reputeUpthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond reputeUpthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond reputeUpthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Abandoned Laundry Quandary

What are tenacious ethics and morality worth without grace and patience ?
Add some patience and understanding to those and you will see there is no ethical dilemma or quandary whatsoever. Impatience has placed you in this dilemma, patience will make it disappear.

There are and will be many reasons , all innocent, as to why the laundry was left there. Sitting this one out puts a penny in the excuse bank when the situation inevitably reverses.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Upthehatters2008 for this useful post:
  #249  
Old 01.08.2010, 12:05
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: zürich
Posts: 3,194
Groaned at 105 Times in 79 Posts
Thanked 3,987 Times in 1,625 Posts
i-b-deborah has a reputation beyond reputei-b-deborah has a reputation beyond reputei-b-deborah has a reputation beyond reputei-b-deborah has a reputation beyond reputei-b-deborah has a reputation beyond reputei-b-deborah has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Abandoned Laundry Quandary

Is it nobler to leave it in the machine, or to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous neighbour indignation?
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank i-b-deborah for this useful post:
  #250  
Old 01.08.2010, 12:10
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Zurich
Posts: 13,871
Groaned at 1,320 Times in 886 Posts
Thanked 20,733 Times in 7,947 Posts
Chuff has a reputation beyond reputeChuff has a reputation beyond reputeChuff has a reputation beyond reputeChuff has a reputation beyond reputeChuff has a reputation beyond reputeChuff has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Abandoned Laundry Quandary

Quote:
View Post
What are tenacious ethics and morality worth without grace and patience ?
Add some patience and understanding to those and you will see there is no ethical dilemma or quandary whatsoever. Impatience has placed you in this dilemma, patience will make it disappear.

There are and will be many reasons , all innocent, as to why the laundry was left there. Sitting this one out puts a penny in the excuse bank when the situation inevitably reverses.
I have to strongly disagree with the zen-like sentiments ther eim afraid... in my building the same people do it week in week out... it's a lack of care and manners towards your fellow residents. Patience only goes so far.
Reply With Quote
  #251  
Old 01.08.2010, 12:13
mpk's Avatar
mpk mpk is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Zürich, ZH
Posts: 123
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 182 Times in 63 Posts
mpk is considered knowledgeablempk is considered knowledgeablempk is considered knowledgeable
Re: The Abandoned Laundry Quandary

Quote:
View Post
What are tenacious ethics and morality worth without grace and patience ?
Add some patience and understanding to those and you will see there is no ethical dilemma or quandary whatsoever. Impatience has placed you in this dilemma, patience will make it disappear.

There are and will be many reasons , all innocent, as to why the laundry was left there. Sitting this one out puts a penny in the excuse bank when the situation inevitably reverses.
Ah, but you're making an assumption there, namely that I consider the laundry-abandoning to be malicious. Not the case, of course - it seems most likely that they went away for National Day and didn't have time to pick it up before they left. It would be very odd behaviour to consciously decide to prevent other people doing their laundry just for kicks.

However, the need for clean clothes is a fairly basic human requirement, and when you're just back from two weeks of holiday and - more importantly - have a 5 months pregnant wife with nothing to wear until some washing gets done - it's not really possible to be patient forever. The interesting question is, therefore, just how long it's reasonable to be patient for if infinite patience is not practicable.
Reply With Quote
  #252  
Old 01.08.2010, 12:16
Upthehatters2008's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: In the kitchen at parties.
Posts: 4,540
Groaned at 204 Times in 120 Posts
Thanked 6,078 Times in 2,378 Posts
Upthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond reputeUpthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond reputeUpthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond reputeUpthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond reputeUpthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond reputeUpthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Abandoned Laundry Quandary

Quote:
View Post
I have to strongly disagree with the zen-like sentiments ther eim afraid... in my building the same people do it week in week out... it's a lack of care and manners towards your fellow residents. Patience only goes so far.
Confucious now say long term repeat offenders should be spoken to. Gaia say Swiss peeps wash clothes too much and not clean mind enough.
Reply With Quote
  #253  
Old 01.08.2010, 12:35
summerrain's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Zürich
Posts: 4,350
Groaned at 4 Times in 4 Posts
Thanked 985 Times in 325 Posts
summerrain has a reputation beyond reputesummerrain has a reputation beyond reputesummerrain has a reputation beyond reputesummerrain has a reputation beyond reputesummerrain has a reputation beyond reputesummerrain has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Abandoned Laundry Quandary

Quote:
View Post
The interesting question is, therefore, just how long it's reasonable to be patient for if infinite patience is not practicable.
My building doesnt have a wash plan. I have 2 new neighbours that moved in recently. It used to be 4 households sharing the washer, with zero problems but now 6. And I have to say that the 2 new ones havent been doing so good laundry wise. Washing can be left over night and ALL the 15 clothes line can be fully utilised with zero consideration of whether others want to use them or not.

I work from home and I dont have the patience to run up and down into the laundry room a couple of times to check if you've removed your washing so that I can do mine, for fear of pissing someone off. I am cool if someone is using the machine when I want to use them, due to the lack of a wash plan but my limit is an hour after you're done or when I've discovered it.

I try to give credit to everyone as responsible adults sharing a communal facility. If you dont have the common decency to remember that you've done your washing, take note of the timing of when it will be finished and duly remove them after, be prepared for someone to take them out of the washer/dryer. I have done so on many occasions now and I've not had anyone yell at me so far. Let them try.
__________________
Remember when someone annoys you, it takes 42 muscles to frown, BUT it only takes 4 muscles to extend your arm and b****-slap the mother-f***er upside the head.

Last edited by summerrain; 01.08.2010 at 12:45.
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank summerrain for this useful post:
  #254  
Old 01.08.2010, 12:39
Phil_MCR's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Basel
Posts: 14,952
Groaned at 295 Times in 199 Posts
Thanked 19,020 Times in 8,000 Posts
Phil_MCR has a reputation beyond reputePhil_MCR has a reputation beyond reputePhil_MCR has a reputation beyond reputePhil_MCR has a reputation beyond reputePhil_MCR has a reputation beyond reputePhil_MCR has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Abandoned Laundry Quandary

i always just take the stuff out and leave it in their basket.
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank Phil_MCR for this useful post:
  #255  
Old 01.08.2010, 12:44
Upthehatters2008's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: In the kitchen at parties.
Posts: 4,540
Groaned at 204 Times in 120 Posts
Thanked 6,078 Times in 2,378 Posts
Upthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond reputeUpthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond reputeUpthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond reputeUpthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond reputeUpthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond reputeUpthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Abandoned Laundry Quandary

Quote:
View Post
Ah, but you're making an assumption there, namely that I consider the laundry-abandoning to be malicious. Not the case, of course - it seems most likely that they went away for National Day and didn't have time to pick it up before they left. It would be very odd behaviour to consciously decide to prevent other people doing their laundry just for kicks.

However, the need for clean clothes is a fairly basic human requirement, and when you're just back from two weeks of holiday and - more importantly - have a 5 months pregnant wife with nothing to wear until some washing gets done - it's not really possible to be patient forever. The interesting question is, therefore, just how long it's reasonable to be patient for if infinite patience is not practicable.
Infinite patience ? Nah, just enough for a day or two.
If you think of it as accidental instead of malicious you will feel a whole lot better about the situation. Why on Earth would your neighbours be malicious to you - is there more to this story ?

...and if you really do have a desperate need for clean clothes (which far exceeds basic human requirements) then , as I have done many a time in hotels and such, wait for it, shock approaching....

Wash your clothes by hand Problem sorted.
Reply With Quote
  #256  
Old 01.08.2010, 12:59
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Zurich
Posts: 13,871
Groaned at 1,320 Times in 886 Posts
Thanked 20,733 Times in 7,947 Posts
Chuff has a reputation beyond reputeChuff has a reputation beyond reputeChuff has a reputation beyond reputeChuff has a reputation beyond reputeChuff has a reputation beyond reputeChuff has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Abandoned Laundry Quandary

Quote:
View Post
Infinite patience ? Nah, just enough for a day or two.
If you think of it as accidental instead of malicious you will feel a whole lot better about the situation. Why on Earth would your neighbours be malicious to you - is there more to this story
No offence, but you do talk absolute rubbish.

You need to differentiate between maliciousness and carelessness. Carelessness may not be malicious, but it still falls well with the boundaries of being inconsiderate, and borders on the rude. Who on earth would wait 1 or 2 days for someone to take their laundry out when they need to get it done asap, and have booked a slot to do so. Oh yes, and it happens on a regular basis. Get some perspective.

Quote:
View Post
Wash your clothes by hand Problem sorted.
Earth calling Upthehatters...

Last edited by Chuff; 01.08.2010 at 15:19.
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank Chuff for this useful post:
  #257  
Old 01.08.2010, 13:01
adrianlondon's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Basel
Posts: 9,131
Groaned at 170 Times in 153 Posts
Thanked 25,643 Times in 6,892 Posts
adrianlondon has a reputation beyond reputeadrianlondon has a reputation beyond reputeadrianlondon has a reputation beyond reputeadrianlondon has a reputation beyond reputeadrianlondon has a reputation beyond reputeadrianlondon has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Abandoned Laundry Quandary

If I see someone's washing in the machine here (8 apartments; no schedule at all; sign on door saying not to wash at night or Sundays which even the landlord told me to ignore) I leave it for a while.

After around an hour I'll go back down and if it's still there (usually it's long gone) I'll take it out and put it in their basket or carefully pile it on top of the machine.

Once I went down, the machine was empty but there was a basket of dirty clothes on top. I simply put my stuff in the machine.

When I came back down there was a note which basically said that they were next in the queue and naughty me.

It's not happened again but as above if I noticed a "queue" again I'd give them a while to take their place and then push in an hour or so later if their stuff was still there.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank adrianlondon for this useful post:
  #258  
Old 01.08.2010, 13:08
CB1 CB1 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Zurich
Posts: 182
Groaned at 1 Time in 1 Post
Thanked 69 Times in 40 Posts
CB1 has earned some respectCB1 has earned some respect
Re: The Abandoned Laundry Quandary

Quote:
View Post
i always just take the stuff out and leave it in their basket.

I have to agree. Take it out and leave it in their basket. I always leave my basket there incase someone needs to take my things out, it seems like common sense to me.

I will say however that is my last apartment where the neighbour never took his clothes out I would fold them. We were the only ones sharing the laundry so I tried to be a good neighbour but then after 3 or 4 times I got the impression he left them there for me to fold, so that was the end of that and in a pile they went !
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank CB1 for this useful post:
  #259  
Old 01.08.2010, 14:04
Peg A's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Basel
Posts: 4,422
Groaned at 158 Times in 125 Posts
Thanked 5,428 Times in 2,510 Posts
Peg A has a reputation beyond reputePeg A has a reputation beyond reputePeg A has a reputation beyond reputePeg A has a reputation beyond reputePeg A has a reputation beyond reputePeg A has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Abandoned Laundry Quandary

To me the key here is actually the TIME involved today.

What time was it that you went to do your laundry on this holiday Sunday after many were up late partying last night?


Personally, for today (or similar holiday situations) "only" I'd have left off until about 1pm figuring that they'd likely been up late and likely not rise (much, if at all) before noon.

Then, assuming a late rise, I'd give them about an hour to get their head and butt together (figuring out the need to be considerate of others) and start taking care of their laundry.


IF their stuff was still in the machines at 1pm, the next thing I'd have done differently would have been to hang the towels (you did say there were only two) rather than dumping their stuff on top of the machines. I'd also have only emptied one (the one with the mere two towels) and made use of it rather than dumping (and dealing with) the contents of both.

Of course, after coming down to deal with the next step of wash, if I discovered their stuff still was not taken care of, I'd empty the contents of one dryer so that I could use it.

I still would not simply "dump" it though but fold it nicely on top of the other dryer.


Doing things this way would (should anyhow) ensure two things:
1. They know their lack of consideration caused trouble for someone else.
2. You maintain more chance for peaceful coexistence with the neighbors should they discover who it was who fiddled with their laundry - at least you took care of it nicely.
__________________
The Joys of Opticianry
Reply With Quote
  #260  
Old 01.08.2010, 14:12
Phil_MCR's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Basel
Posts: 14,952
Groaned at 295 Times in 199 Posts
Thanked 19,020 Times in 8,000 Posts
Phil_MCR has a reputation beyond reputePhil_MCR has a reputation beyond reputePhil_MCR has a reputation beyond reputePhil_MCR has a reputation beyond reputePhil_MCR has a reputation beyond reputePhil_MCR has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Abandoned Laundry Quandary

Quote:
View Post
If I see someone's washing in the machine here (8 apartments; no schedule at all; sign on door saying not to wash at night or Sundays which even the landlord told me to ignore) I leave it for a while.

After around an hour I'll go back down and if it's still there (usually it's long gone) I'll take it out and put it in their basket or carefully pile it on top of the machine.

Once I went down, the machine was empty but there was a basket of dirty clothes on top. I simply put my stuff in the machine.

When I came back down there was a note which basically said that they were next in the queue and naughty me.

It's not happened again but as above if I noticed a "queue" again I'd give them a while to take their place and then push in an hour or so later if their stuff was still there.
you could leave a note to say that if they are in the queue, then they should put their clothes in promptly. i wouldn't wait around all day for somebody to do their laundry just because they put their basket there first.

i bet this is the same sort of person who wakes up at 5am and puts their towel on the sunlounger but doesn't use it until 11am...
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Phil_MCR for this useful post:
Reply

Tags
angst, bleach, ettiquette, laundry, philosophy, schedules, sign




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Please Do Something About The Laundry Man........ hugh_abu Forum support 10 03.10.2007 17:54
The Funny Laundry @ Mascotte The Laundry Man Commercial events 2 12.04.2007 10:51
Football (England) sucks..... owls_79 Football/sports 1 25.03.2007 10:37
The Funny Laundry @ Mascotte The Laundry Man Commercial events 0 14.03.2007 14:11


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 14:12.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2022, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0