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Old 30.01.2012, 10:42
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Re: My BiPolar Love/Hate Relationship with CH

For me my break-through came when i did actually move back to the UK for 6 months. It was only then i truely realized how great Switzerland is.

I moved back as soon as it was possible.

Now i am here to stay.


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Re: My BiPolar Love/Hate Relationship with CH

I found that my happiness is related to my relation with the local and how easy or not I feel integrated.

Switzerland is the only place I didn't managed to make friends with the locals. Except one friend but he doesn't count since we met outside of the country years ago.

I spend three years in Basel and didn't have any Swiss friends. Good neighbors relationship, yes but that was it. All our friends were foreigners and it can be very depressing when one leave. It makes friendship being more intense but also quite often with an expiration date.

We have been down here since 7 months and we have already some friends, local ones, from the place. We had birthday invitations, playdates, restaurants and home invitations.... Which we never had in 3 years in Basel.

Did I change? No. So it wasn't my ability to make friends, it was the place, the culture which was more difficult to grab on.

You have to listen to yourself and think about what you are and if your personality fits with the place you live.
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Re: My BiPolar Love/Hate Relationship with CH

Dear OP,

Now I understand some of your posts better. It's kind of my feeling I have towards you.
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Re: My BiPolar Love/Hate Relationship with CH

Lordy, I've done the love/hate switcheroo so many times in the past 14 years...

The first years here were wonderful - as in, I was filled with wonder everytime I looked out the window, everytime I stood on top of a mountain.

I loved living in a foreign culture, foreign language. Prior to moving here I had spent the previous decade living the nomadic life; I relished every new chapter, every opportunity to re-invent myself. Switzerland was a change from Asia, and certainly from my home in the US, and I loved change.

Around the 5 year mark I suddenly realized that I was no longer on an adventure and had somehow settled into plain old vanilla 'life' - albeit with a picture-postcard background. It was probably then the bloom fell off the rose just a bit.

But we all have to grow up and grow roots sometime, I suppose. Or at least give it a try.

But I think it was that attempt to put down roots that turned the tables for me - my experience has been that it is simply not possible to do so. Try as you might, you will always remain very much an outsider.

Rather ironic: In my younger nomadic days I cherished the freedom that came with being an outsider, yet now as I am entering my dotage it is just that exclusion that cuts so deeply.

Can't have your cake and eat it too I guess.

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It has been very hard these last few years, but that's mostly down to the fact that I am caught in an impossible living situation. That social norms allow - even encourage - the behavior that makes living here so difficult is something I will never comprehend.

But wherever I end up, I'm sure once gone I will very much miss all the things that filled me with wonder when I first arrived in Switzerland.
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Re: My BiPolar Love/Hate Relationship with CH

I am not sure I could say that I love or hate any country, including Switzerland.
Having said that, I appreciate a lot of aspects of Swiss culture because they resonate with me, especially the love of privacy and reservedness.

By the way, if you wanted to adhere to strict psych terminology, I’d use splitting instead of bipolar.
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Does anyone else go through this sort of cycle of highs and lows, at least in the first year(s)?
I go through this all the time. But I've learned it doesn't really matter where I am. It happens anyway.

I'll give you two of my most useful cliches free as a gift to you:
  • Learn to let go of the small stuff.
  • No matter where you go there you are.
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I am not sure I could say that I love or hate any country, including Switzerland.
Having said that, I appreciate a lot of aspects of Swiss culture because they resonate with me, especially the love of privacy and reservedness.

By the way, if you wanted to adhere to strict psych terminology, I’d use splitting instead of bipolar.

That was VERY helpful!!! Splitting contributes to unstable relationships (with Switzerland) and intense emotional experiences (with Switzerland)
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Old 30.01.2012, 15:07
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Re: My BiPolar Love/Hate Relationship with CH

Generally all love for me. Only thing that frustrates me regularly is the lack of Customer service and lack of consideration for Customers.
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Re: My BiPolar Love/Hate Relationship with CH

I don't have any advice to offer but I can relate to the Hate part of your post more so than the Love part! It made me laugh out loud because much of those frustrations are the ones I feel too. I'm only here 7 months and debating whether or not I will stay for even my original assignment. Even my 3 year old hates it here. Anyway we are giving it 6 more months before we make any drastic decisions... so perhaps I can come back to you then!

On a more serious note.. the only thing I could say is re your comment about shallow roots. If I was somewhere that I felt I had only shallow roots I wouldn't be looking at it as a permanent home. Jus' sayin' :-)
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Re: My BiPolar Love/Hate Relationship with CH

I've been here almost seven years, and I feel more or less the same way.

I love the country, the mountains, the pristine beauty, the fantastic train system and being in the middle of Europe, among other things. But I hate the rigid Germanic mentality as well as the attitudes of many of the local people towards foreigners. Like Swisscathal, I'm also disenchanted with the bad service and bad attitudes here along with the sky-high prices, being taxed for every package I get from abroad, and what I consider substandard medical care.

At work, I see way too many underperforming, slow and mediocre people who routinely screw up (and these screw-ups cost lots of €€€€) and get away with doing as little as possible, and yet they are coddled and protected by the management. I've worked in three other countries and never saw this in any workplace. In the US, these people would be shown the door. And those who use their initiative, work proactively, put their best foot forward and go the extra mile to try to add value are sabotaged by these n'er-do-wells and not given the recognition or respect they deserve by the management. It's demotivating, to say the least. It's also frustrating to work for managers who are less educated and experienced than I am and who behave in a way that indicates they feel threatened by me somehow, even though I do business in a transparent and collaborative way. Overall, it's not an environment in which I feel I can function normally and thrive personally or professionally.

More and more, especially as of late, I think about leaving. Sorry to come across as Debbie Downer, but it's just how I feel
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Re: My BiPolar Love/Hate Relationship with CH

Yup, I definitely go through those moments too. To get myself out of it, I think of all the funny things I see or just don't understand but make me laugh:

- like your colleagues going for a jog at lunchtime in those rediculous tight pants that show you so much more than you ever wanted to see of people you work with. (Cant look him in the eye now... just cant do it, but I smile *every* time I see him.)

- the seriousness with which someone speaks to you in tief Schweizerdeutsch, which still sounds more like a drunk swedish kids cartoon to me than a language

- all of the various "Ordnung muss sein" things like when you can throw out bottles, a specific date for your cardboard, the absolutely hysterical 'forbidden' signs on the tram. (the ones with the little stick figures). I can just imagine some well meaning old Swiss gentleman put alot of thought into these things back in the 1600s...

- the signs in general here... especially when I make up my own captions for them

- voting on everything (6 weeks vacation anyone?)

- people wandering around the tramstop in their ski boots, looking very serious but dressed in anything but serious looking clothing

etc. etc. I dunno, but this place can really make me laugh sometimes. Yes I get annoyed, but it's hard not to smile when someone walks by you carrying an alphorn...
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I hear a lot of what ultimately sounds like the universal immigrant experience...except most here are well off and living in one of the most unique countries on the planet
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love/hate - so what's the swiss expat experience equivalent of good make up sex then?
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Re: My BiPolar Love/Hate Relationship with CH

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Haha, laughed out loud there.

But tell me about it, I'm here for at least two years to study and every day I'm either deciding to stay here after school or go home as fast as I can. Going home over Christmas made me realize more what I like/dislike about Switzerland but I simply try not to focus on the negative parts and enjoy the positive things. Going skiing has really helped my mood lately, it's just so fun to going up in good weather, admiring the beautiful surroundings, I often find myself just standing still with a big fat smile on my face.

It seems contrary to most here, but what I miss the most from home is the weather. Zurich simply "lacks" weather, especially when it's warmer it often just feels "dead". Growing up in a windy place where the weather changes fast and frequently does that to you I guess.

And I try to not to convert prices to my home currency, I think I wouldn't get much sleep.
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Whilst at times living here I feel quite isolated and a square peg in a round hole, then you read a topic like this and it makes you feel like you are not alone with some of these "dark thoughts", thank (insert deitity) for EF.

A lot of this love/hate stuff (for me) comes from Switzerland being a "neutral" country, which brings to mind words like passive, gentle, not strongly opinionated ect but that is not the case here. It is the passive/aggressive nature (both evident equally in large amounts) of the people here that drives me crazy. A bit like the old line "he is a well balanced personality, he has a chip on both shoulders!!". Winter weather brings it out a lot more but next week I will be in the mountains skiing so then it will be forgotten about for a while probably until the next time I need to deal with some (insert advective + noun) who "works" in "customer service".
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being taxed for every package I get from abroad
Ummm, in which country doesn't one get taxed for packages from abroad?

And, at 8%, Swiss VAT is far lower than the neighbors, in fact I have friends in Italy have packages sent to me because of that.

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...Switzerland is the only place I didn't managed to make friends with the locals...
Friendships surely make a difference. I had Swiss friends and relatives long before I moved here, and while the friends have made the transition a bit easier, those friendships haven't spared me from having to deal with some of the differences and hardships — even the ones I was expecting (being mentally aware of something in advance doesn't always make it any easier to deal with).

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Ummm, in which country doesn't one get taxed for packages from abroad?
For as long as I lived in the US, I never once paid customs duty on any of the packages sent to me from Switzerland, whether commercially or privately.
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Re: My BiPolar Love/Hate Relationship with CH

Wow so many people with so much to say, the country of Switzerland is full of diversity even within the communications of many cultures, In New York City , we have a saying that we live by,
Get In, Where You Fit It,
This will help make your living in switzerland worth wild
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Ummm, in the US and the two Middle Eastern countries I lived in, I was never taxed on any packages from abroad.

I can well understand being taxed on items PURCHASED from abroad or from websites. No problem there. BUT, over the past year, I have been taxed several times on packages from family members abroad, specifically labeled as "Gift" with a value of 100 CHF, and NONE of the packages were even opened by Customs. And, among the items, there was nothing unusual: some clothing, books and the like. Either the 100 CHF exemption on Gifts was eliminated or they're hard up for money. As far as I'm concerned, this is just another one of their money-grabbing schemes, and they get away with it because they can.

Also, it's NOT just 8% VAT they charge. They always tack on their "handling fees" which ads to the cost.

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And, at 8%, Swiss VAT is far lower than the neighbors, in fact I have friends in Italy have packages sent to me because of that.

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Also, it's NOT just 8% VAT they charge. They always tack on their "handling fees" which ads to the cost.
"Handling fees" are for the shipper, NOT customs.

And you do realize that the CHF 100 exemption includes postage (i.e. goods + postage < 100)?

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