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Old 26.11.2008, 21:47
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Re: Why are ladies in Switzerland so attractive?

Ah, who deleted that post? We could have had so much fun with this guy!

Maybe he was the guy of my dreams and now he's gone forever!!!!!!
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Re: Why are ladies in Switzerland so attractive?

Woah, pretty heated discussion... About the whole paying issue - I don't earn vast sums of money so when a guy asks me to dinner, I usually make sure I choose the things on the lower price scale on the menu, as I want to be in a position to pay for my own meal. However, guys often go for the full meat, entrée and dessert combo and if you THEN go for 50/50, I lose out, so to speak, but I've learnt an important lesson about my dinner date...

Alternatively, if he says "I'd like to invite you for dinner", I make sure he chooses the restaurant (giving him control over the price range) and always ask what he's having, making sure to pick something equal or lower priced. Then, if things progress, I usually offer to cook him a meal at mine.

I believe you can go for the old-fashioned approach but you have to take all of the aspects that go with it. Sometimes I observe couples where it's pretty clear who is footing the bill and she seems to spend all evening complaining and being unpleasant, when really, he probably just wanted entertaining, decorative company.
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Old 27.11.2008, 01:57
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Seriously, I want to know what women really like, we get dictated to by feamle magazines...What do women really find attractive in men?
First and foremost, women find men attractive that can give them the feeling that they are protected by them. Physically bigger guys will aways have a few points in their favour, but so can men in a position of power or being the kind that takes on the leadership role in any group, the kind that other people look up to.

What also plays a role is something I find difficult to put into English. The German word "Ausstrahlung" comes to mind. A sense of humour, being cheeky (Schlitzohr), having something special about them. A passion. Charisma.

Add self-confidence to that list, esp. confidence around women. That is also important. Or, more precisely, lack of confidence is a turn-off.
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Seriously though, how do you know if its a swiss, french, italien, english of spanish woman walking down the street??
By listening (if they are with someone - or chatting on the 'phone).

And those Swiss-German dialects: French - I could listen to all my life. But when a German-Swiss girl opens her mouth...
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From a couple of pages back, but I'd like to give this a stab:

First and foremost, women find men attractive that can give them the feeling that they are protected by them. Physically bigger guys will aways have a few points in their favour, but so can men in a position of power or being the kind that takes on the leadership role in any group, the kind that other people look up to.

What also plays a role is something I find difficult to put into English. The German word "Ausstrahlung" comes to mind. A sense of humour, being cheeky (Schlitzohr), having something special about them. A passion. Charisma.

Add self-confidence to that list, esp. confidence around women. That is also important. Or, more precisely, lack of confidence is a turn-off.
But, see you're a guy. How come guys know better wht women are attracted to than women?

I have weird tastes, if you've ever seen unfaithfull- Diane Lane / Richard Gere that rings a bell with me.

However in reality I like older chubby guys. My ideal guy would be a weatherbeaten correspondent,
whose muscles are built for practicality, he is unassuming and unafraid. He must be well-traveled with experience of living in other cultures and used to war.
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Old 27.11.2008, 09:37
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My ideal guy would be a weatherbeaten correspondent,
whose muscles are built for practicality, he is unassuming and unafraid. He must be well-traveled with experience of living in other cultures and used to war.
I'm a woman. I assume the chubby part is easy enough, but the rest of it... really?

Have you had much luck with that? I always find it amazing how specific women are for the most part about everything a guy needs to be to be ideal, or desirable. I much prefer the way men seem to think about it.

Nice body? Nice face? Nice personality? Good in bed? Not boring? Oh YAY!

The order might change depending on what stage of his life the guy is at. But generally from years spent watching my male friends as they drool over girls- these are the critical factors. So much easier than all of this "personality type must be precisely THIS", "body type must be exactly SO", "occupation must be THIS" business.
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But, see you're a guy. How come guys know better wht women are attracted to than women?
Because most women won't admit it, either to others, or sometimes even themselves. Guys have analyzed this for centuries (and I'll allow that we're still nowhere close to finding anything definitive, just a few good starting points). For women, it is what it is and explaining it too much takes away from the thrill of it.

The best example of this: It's pretty common knowledge these days what women are attracted to, but still, what most mothers teach their sons is often entirely antithetical to what will lead them to have success in the dating world. Mom will tell you to be nice to women, get gifts, give compliments, etc., but will never explain why she feels tingles when she sees Daniel Craig with his shirt off beeing cheeky with women as James Bond. It's an uncomfortable subject to talk about.

In general, though, I understand it, I mean why would you give away how your defense mechanisms work, and it's a good way to quickly weed out the undesirables.
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Old 27.11.2008, 14:04
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But, see you're a guy. How come guys know better wht women are attracted to than women?

I have weird tastes, if you've ever seen unfaithfull- Diane Lane / Richard Gere that rings a bell with me.

However in reality I like older chubby guys. My ideal guy would be a weatherbeaten correspondent,
whose muscles are built for practicality, he is unassuming and unafraid. He must be well-traveled with experience of living in other cultures and used to war.
You just described Sylvester Stallone.

But you can't really be serious. How many war corrsepondents are you likely to meet in downtown Zürich? Or anywhere for that matter. You'd find more luck hanging around a bar in Kabul or Iraq for goodness sake.

Your question regarding what women find attractive in men should be "Why do women set themselves such unrealistically high targets". Is this why most married women are so disappointed in their choice and make their husbands life a living hell?
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Your question regarding what women find attractive in men should be "Why do women set themselves such unrealistically high targets". Is this why most married women are so disappointed in their choice and make their husbands life a living hell?
To be fair, this is true for people in general.
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Re: Why are ladies in Switzerland so attractive?

My ranking of Worst Looking Women:
1. Germany
2. Switzerland
3. England
4. Austria
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Re: Why are ladies in Switzerland so attractive?

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Well, now I know. I find that the choice of a guy's car is inversely proportional to a certain appendage.
Would be interesting to know how you figured that one out.

Back on subject, offering to pay for a meal for me is a indicator of interest. I have never been the kind of guy who make obvious gestures such as "do you want to go on a date?" or use one of the numerous pickup lines. I prefer keeping things casual but by offering to pay for a meal I provide an indication of interest beyond friendship and allow the other person to respond however she pleases.

If on the other hand I want to make it clear that I wish to be friends I will offer to split the bill.

That said even if I am interested in a girl I will never pay beyond the second meal. I value a girl with independence and would hate to be viewed as a free ride. Somehow when I feel like there is an expectation for freebies it comes off as spoilt
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I just happened to be cruising by, seems this thread will never die haha, Still makes me chuckle and kept boredom away for 30 mins or so.

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Ming is wondering if the female of the human species finds the male variety similarly desirable?
Such triviality..........
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Would be interesting to know how you figured that one out.

Back on subject, offering to pay for a meal for me is a indicator of interest. I have never been the kind of guy who make obvious gestures such as "do you want to go on a date?" or use one of the numerous pickup lines. I prefer keeping things casual but by offering to pay for a meal I provide an indication of interest beyond friendship and allow the other person to respond however she pleases.

If on the other hand I want to make it clear that I wish to be friends I will offer to split the bill.

That said even if I am interested in a girl I will never pay beyond the second meal. I value a girl with independence and would hate to be viewed as a free ride. Somehow when I feel like there is an expectation for freebies it comes off as spoilt

WOW! You split the bill with a WOMAN?! I have never and could never do that. It is just not right to split bills on a date. If she insists on paying, let her pay once after say 10 dates or so, but early on...never. It doesn't make you look like a real man. Plus, she could be testing you to see if you will allow her to pay...I bet 90% of the women would agree with me, that they will think of you much, much less if you let her pay her share of the bill.
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Re: Why are ladies in Switzerland so attractive?

I've said this before but my father is truly old school and takes ladies to the sort of restaurant where there is a separate menu for them, with no prices. Sorted.
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WOW! You split the bill with a WOMAN?! I have never and could never do that. It is just not right to split bills on a date. If she insists on paying, let her pay once after say 10 dates or so, but early on...never. It doesn't make you look like a real man. Plus, she could be testing you to see if you will allow her to pay...I bet 90% of the women would agree with me, that they will think of you much, much less if you let her pay her share of the bill.
Obviously you're more than happy to cater to women like that, and there are plenty of women who are more than happy to let you. No problem with that. But very little of what you describe is what makes a "real man". Sorry to break it to you.
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i'm 26 and old school in my opinion wins over women these days: cater to her...shows you can provide for her and (family?later?), be polite, respectful. Those three items will go along way these days. Don't listen to the media because most men are turning into/acting like women. Women want a man, who can take charge/lead. You can easily seperate yourself from the crowd by doing the three items above.
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i'm 26 and old school in my opinion wins over women these days: cater to her...shows you can provide for her and (family?later?), be polite, respectful. Those three items will go along way these days. Don't listen to the media because most men are turning into/acting like women. Women want a man, who can take charge/lead. You can easily seperate yourself from the crowd by doing the three items above.
I think you will find that old school type blokes will attract old school type ladies.

Myself and most of my female friends and colleagues find it more normal these days to go to dinner and pay their own way. Why shouldn't we if we are working.

I bet you wouldn't date a lady who earned more than you, either, would you?
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i'm 26 and old school in my opinion wins over women these days: cater to her...shows you can provide for her and (family?later?), be polite, respectful. Those three items will go along way these days. Don't listen to the media because most men are turning into/acting like women. Women want a man, who can take charge/lead. You can easily seperate yourself from the crowd by doing the three items above.
OK, that makes things more clear than your first post. Can't disagree with any of this. Just there are plenty of ways to show a woman that you're polite, respectful, confident, etc. without paying for her s**t. I'd say it all depends on the attitude, and the way most guys cater to women projects a lack of confidence and desperation.
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