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50 : You can still smoke in restaurants and bars unlike the rest of Europe
Starting in Jan 2010, not even in Zurich anymore...finally!
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Still as wrong as it gets. There were massive protests and demonstrations against the sheep posters and it dominated national media for a while, while nobody really cared about the price of butter. But it's always nice to reinforce some clichés
I don't remember the massive demonstrations, but I admit I could be wrong. Maybe I was in the wrong place and time, but to me these posters seemed to create little visible discussion at all here (except, like I say, perhaps in certain places or times that I was unaware of). Maybe it's not the Swiss style to be too open about one's views, and the fiery discussions went right past me. Or I didn't read the right newspapers (quite possible). On the other hand I was very aware of the scandal they created in international newspapers...

Besides: don't forget that the SVP does indeed have a lot of power here, so it's not a big crime to call the mentality here quite conservative in general...look at how far Mr. Blocher made it in his career! It's not without reason that such "cliches" arise...

I've been in Zurich for 12 years, so I can vouch for the fact that even if the remark is an exaggeration, it DOES reflect a very real aspect of the culture here.

That's NOT to say that we're living in a "Nazi Germany of Bankers here", of course not! There's plenty of good things about CH too - heck, I'm still here after 12 years by my own choice, and I don't plan on leaving. But I do plan on becoming a citizen so I can finally vote against the likes of Blocher...

Anyhow, this thread is meant to be comical, so some cliches are to be expected.
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Re: Top-10 Things Foreigners find Remarkable about Switzerland

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Foreigners cannot help but marvel (as I still after over 20 years here) at what the simple combination of Swiss practicality and having enough money to do just about anything will produce:





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I don't remember the massive demonstrations, but I admit I could be wrong. Maybe I was in the wrong place and time, but to me these posters seemed to create little visible discussion at all here (except, like I say, perhaps in certain places or times that I was unaware of). Maybe it's not the Swiss style to be too open about one's views, and the fiery discussions went right past me.
Yes, obviously.
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Or I didn't read the right newspapers (quite possible). On the other hand I was very aware of the scandal they created in international newspapers...
Of course!
Like tha brasilian girl, who claimed to be mistreated by SVPler.
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Besides: don't forget that the SVP does indeed have a lot of power here,
They made 28% at the last election....to be precise.
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so it's not a big crime to call the mentality here quite conservative in general...look at how far Mr. Blocher made it in his career! It's not without reason that such "cliches" arise...
Well, but this is a bad explanation.
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I've been in Zurich for 12 years, so I can vouch for the fact that even if the remark is an exaggeration, it DOES reflect a very real aspect of the culture here.

That's NOT to say that we're living in a "Nazi Germany of Bankers here", of course not! There's plenty of good things about CH too - heck, I'm still here after 12 years by my own choice, and I don't plan on leaving. But I do plan on becoming a citizen so I can finally vote against the likes of Blocher...
That's a good idea.
The most efficient way to express the own political belief.

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I don't remember the massive demonstrations, but I admit I could be wrong. Maybe I was in the wrong place and time, but to me these posters seemed to create little visible discussion at all here (except, like I say, perhaps in certain places or times that I was unaware of). Maybe it's not the Swiss style to be too open about one's views, and the fiery discussions went right past me. Or I didn't read the right newspapers (quite possible). On the other hand I was very aware of the scandal they created in international newspapers...

Besides: don't forget that the SVP does indeed have a lot of power here, so it's not a big crime to call the mentality here quite conservative in general...look at how far Mr. Blocher made it in his career! It's not without reason that such "cliches" arise...

I've been in Zurich for 12 years, so I can vouch for the fact that even if the remark is an exaggeration, it DOES reflect a very real aspect of the culture here.

That's NOT to say that we're living in a "Nazi Germany of Bankers here", of course not! There's plenty of good things about CH too - heck, I'm still here after 12 years by my own choice, and I don't plan on leaving. But I do plan on becoming a citizen so I can finally vote against the likes of Blocher...

Anyhow, this thread is meant to be comical, so some cliches are to be expected.

The demonstrations were massive by Zurich standards.

Discussions all over were very heavy and took place both in the media and in bars, cafés and restaurants

Nobody heard about a "scandal" in international newspapers, but everybody knew about the "scandal" attacked by the Swiss media

The SVP nationally has a share of some 25%, but in cities like Zurich it is far less. This is why the SVP generally fails to get anyone into the Ständerat (federal Senate) or into the Zurich City government. The SVP in recent years has lost a dozen important votes, in spite of its relative power, which shows that the population is not as conservative as you say

Look at how people like Mrs Dreyfus, Mrs Micheline Calmy-Rey, Mr Moritz Leuenberger etc made their career ! And this without having been billionaires.

12 years in Zurich ? But, frankly spoken, I do not have the impression about too much "assimilation", Sir !
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Old 08.08.2009, 12:21
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Re: Top-10 Things Foreigners find Remarkable about Switzerland

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29.10.2007!
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23. that no one complains about the black sheep poster, yet they will protest at a 5 cent increase in butter at migros

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I don't remember the massive demonstrations...
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There were massive protests and demonstrations against the sheep posters... especially considering many foreigners probably don't speak enough German to know that the term black sheep is proverbial, very old and widely used...
I don’t know about other languages, but ‘black sheep’ means much the same in English as in German.

Interesting to note that Wollishofener has lived here for 5 decades and simon_ch is Swiss.

Perhaps this is the crux of the matter. By Swiss standards, the demonstrations were massive. By other standard they were not. i.e. The 'foreigners' were surprised by the lack of concrete opposition.

If the inhabitants of another country with a different mentality had been upset by racist placards, might they not have taken a different form of action - might they not have gone around the country tearing them all down and burning them?
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Re: Top-10 Things Foreigners find Remarkable about Switzerland

Swiss Factoid #11,674

Switzerland has the world's longest stairway

I felt exhausted just watching this :

www.swissinfo.ch/eng/multimedia/slideshows/The_world_s_longest_stairway.html?siteSect=15065&s id=10936579&cKey=1249205973000&ty=ss

The 11,674 steps running alongside the funicular tracks of the Niesen Railway make the stairway the longest anywhere, according to the Guinness Book of World Records.
Once a year, the steps are opened for a running competition up the 2,336 metre-high mountain.
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The remarkable thing about this is not the stairway as such, but the fact that anyone wants to run up it.
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127. So many Swiss neighbours appear out of nowhere to talk to you and play with the puppy you're walking. But after the pup grows up, (most of) the neighbours disappear again and Dogzilla (and dogma) is left trotting along the street unaccosted and unbefriended.
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Perhaps this is the crux of the matter. By Swiss standards, the demonstrations were massive. By other standard they were not. i.e. The 'foreigners' were surprised by the lack of concrete opposition.

If the inhabitants of another country with a different mentality had been upset by racist placards, might they not have taken a different form of action - might they not have gone around the country tearing them all down and burning them?
I live in Kanton Aargau, which like areas with a strong farming lobby in other countries tends to be fairly right wing.

I didn't see a single Black Sheep poster which hadn't been defaced.
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The remarkable thing about this is not the stairway as such, but the fact that anyone wants to run up it.
Did you catch "I am the only Spanish member here."?

Presumably the rest of Spain has more sense.
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might they not have taken a different form of action - might they not have gone around the country tearing them all down and burning them?
tearing down placards and burning them would have been a criminal offence and very bad behaviour. And the SVP would have used such actions to describe all the opponents as lawbreaking misbehaving people. So that people wisely abstained from getting into extreme frenzy



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I live in Kanton Aargau, which like areas with a strong farming lobby in other countries tends to be fairly right wing.

I didn't see a single Black Sheep poster which hadn't been defaced.
True, defaced or had comments written over it
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Re: Top-10 Things Foreigners find Remarkable about Switzerland

The really really good SWISS live in CANADA
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So that people wisely abstained from getting into extreme frenzy..
Perhaps such wisdom and self-restraint was found remarkable.
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Back on topic:

Foreigners cannot help but marvel (as I still after over 20 years here) at what the simple combination of Swiss practicality and having enough money to do just about anything will produce:





Does anyone know where this one is?
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128. That cyclists will torture themselves by cycling up mountain roads.
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http://www.landibucheggberg.ch/html/...wash_6864.aspx
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Does anyone know where this one is?
Landi in Wetzikon (Zuiroberland)...
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129. That you can't have a male friends without calling them your boyfriend and for males not to be able to have female friends with out calling them your girlfriends...
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128. That cyclists will torture themselves by cycling up mountain roads.
Anyone enjoying walking or cycling up hill has got to be nuts.
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