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Old 04.08.2009, 15:58
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Re: Top-10 Things Foreigners find Remarkable about Switzerland

I often wonder if this 'no toilet flushing after 10pm rule' is an urban myth and why so many foreigners insist on it being true. I flush the toilet, shower whenever I want, I don't hang up pictures or hoover at night though.. I haven't investigated it tbh but I've never heard of and most certainly never had to follow that rule.
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11. Swiss disco's .... man, i've never seen such a sorry bunch of dancers in my life. Half the people are standing on the dance floor drinking their beer.

or simply sitting...and looking at the foreigners actually dancing on the dance floor as if they were part of a gig arranged by the club
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I often wonder if this 'no toilet flushing after 10pm rule' is an urban myth and why so many foreigners insist on it being true. I flush the toilet, shower whenever I want, I don't hang up pictures or hoover at night though.. I haven't investigated it tbh but I've never heard of and most certainly never had to follow that rule.
Yup, I never heard of that rule and would never abide by it. I flush whenever I want and nobody ever complained.
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I can't quote properly from that mess but Wollishofner, just how practical do you think it would be to wash your dishes without a bottle of Handy handy?
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Re: Top-10 Things Foreigners find Remarkable about Switzerland

There's certainely no law which prohibits flushing the toilet. But there propably have been a few landlords who have included that rule in the "Hausordnung" (=house rules).
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So not true. The variety of really good Sandwiches in the UK is amazing.
But go back 25 years and that wasn't true in the UK. In the South East, the selection was pretty dire, and you really were going to starve if you took a late lunch break.

You had to get yourself up to Lancashire / Yorkshire and points north to get a decent variety of tasty and filling sandwiches.
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So the Swiss could learn..... eventually.
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But go back 25 years and that wasn't true in the UK. In the South East, the selection was pretty dire, and you really were going to starve if you took a late lunch break.

You had to get yourself up to Lancashire / Yorkshire and points north to get a decent variety of tasty and filling sandwiches.
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But go back 25 years and that wasn't true in the UK. In the South East, the selection was pretty dire, and you really were going to starve if you took a late lunch break.

You had to get yourself up to Lancashire / Yorkshire and points north to get a decent variety of tasty and filling sandwiches.
I can only speak for the South West

They were and still are excellent!
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51: Wearing white socks in public.
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Old 04.08.2009, 18:27
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But go back 25 years and that wasn't true in the UK. In the South East, the selection was pretty dire, and you really were going to starve if you took a late lunch break.

You had to get yourself up to Lancashire / Yorkshire and points north to get a decent variety of tasty and filling sandwiches.

Twenty five years?! Please. Some of the EF members are quite young. A couple of years ago I was in Cambridge and found the selection of sandwiches not only broad but also delicious. Was spoilt for choice.
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51: Wearing white socks in public.
..accompanied by the necessary and always in the -swiss- fashion, sandals
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Re: Top-10 Things Foreigners find Remarkable about Switzerland

I have to agree with (4). The Swiss are very snappy dressers. Many times I felt under-dressed wearing jeans and a t-shirt. (In Zürich that is. I noticed that fashion seems to vary a lot in such a small country)

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27. That the Swiss think it is a good idea to divide the area at the checkout where you pack your bags, with a moveable divider that is moved regulalry in order to squash your groceries.
I thought this was odd too. I bought some croissants only to have them fall victim to this exact thing lol!

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29. That so many people do speak or at least try to speak English. And people have been very kind about my attempts at German. If I went into a store in the US and asked "do you speak German," there would be massive eye rolling. And they'd just speak louder. At least here, they try. Maybe they laugh when I leave, but since I don't see it, I'm none the wiser.

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Definitely! I wouldn't dream of asking anyone in Canada or the United States if they spoke German or assume it in any way. Maybe French in the East and Spanish in the Southern United States but that's all.

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31. Rösti, a zenith of Swiss cuisine, is actually glorified hash brown potatoes, except costing over 15 bucks. These cost 2 buck in the 'states as a side dish for breakfast.
Haha very true!

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BUMP (or should that be FANNYP)

40 : Unlike many other countries, you don't 'need' to own a car in the bigger cities....... eg after leaving a Pete Tong gig at a nightclub in the UK in May, I was getting a burger. When I got my wallet out two guys behind us in the queue laughed when a bus ticket fell out of my pocket. When I explained I don't need a car living in Zurich, they were genuinely impressed.
And that's why I would feel confident living in a place like Zürich. The public transportation is brilliant!

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42 : Children are mostly well mannered
You don't see this often in Canada. You'd be lucky to get even the slightest "Hello" from a child.

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46 : Visitors are amazed to see Swiss military carrying their rifles sauntering around train stations consuming beer (and sometimes joints) being consumed.
This would have been very strange for me if I hadn't grown up in a rural area where guns are as commonplace as anything else.

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48 : There is in fact a Swiss Navy (patrolling Lake Geneva & Constance/Bodensee)
what really?!? lol

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50 : You can still smoke in restaurants and bars unlike the rest of Europe
I wouldn't mind seeing this go.

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Relating to the smoking in bars and restaurants: The young people certainly take advantage of this privilege! I found it hard to find a young girl (18 - 25) who didn't smoke during my stays in Switzerland. Even a lot of the young men smoke.

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Old 04.08.2009, 21:59
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1. many people are surprised to find that bern is the capital.
Berne might be de facto the capital of Switzerland, however, Switzerland has de jure no capital.

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Re: Top-10 Things Foreigners find Remarkable about Switzerland

I think comers might find it remarkable that other expats like me cannot wait to get the hell out.

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Irony aside, what I really find remarkable and astonishing about this country is that it operates in fantastic manner. People are responsible and take care of their land. If I compare it back home in SA now how people recycle and chuck the rubbish outside their properties I find it insane there and it makes me sick and tired. Here during my first few days of interview in the past I had seen maybe one or two pieces of garbage along the road... and at least white descendants do not walk bare foot in summer in the streets or wear tukkies going to work.
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You ought to realize that in 1948, Berne was larger than Zurich and Geneva, nr 2 behind Basel which then was largest. AND that being a federal Capital was negative to its development while Zurich had the driving force of Mr Alfred Escher who fulfilled his promise to "make Zurich the defacto Capital of Switzerland". Mr Alfred von Escher is the one who established university, ETH, the defacto main thing of the Swiss National Bank in Zurich, the CreditSuisse, the National Museum, the Zurich Main Station and much else .... and who now stands in the centre of the Bahnhofplatz !
The Historical Lexicon of Switzerland has an article about why Berne became the capital and not Zurich or Lucerne. Regional politics played a role, as did military concerns and federalism.

I'm not sure if Berne was bigger than Zurich back then. I can't find a number for Zurich city in 1848 (which had a smaller area before the annexations around the turn of the century):

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Bern city: 29'670
Zurich canton: 250'698

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Bern city (1910): 90'937
Zurich city: ca. 170'000

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Things my Canadian friends find strange about switzerland when they visit.

1. No flushing the toilet after 10.
2. You CAN go hungry in Switzerland between 14.00pm and 18.00PM and on Sundays.
3.Trendy discos that have all of 4 people in them.
4. Crappy discos with accordeon music that have lot's of people... all lecherous Balkan people and no women.
5.It's cheaper to eat in a restaurant then in McDees.
6. Parking spaces too small for Minis (Austin version) in a country overrun by huge SUVs and large sedans.
7. EVERYONE seems to have something very long and stiff up their bums.
1) rubbish, everybody flushes the toilet throughout the night
2) uncountable places have open at that time and on Sunday
3) no comment
4) anti-Balkanese comments spoil your argument
5) sure, as McD are not cheap
6) use public transport !
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# 1 item on the amazing list

How people that have lived here for decades can miss the point of something entirely and take absolutely everything literally. i.e. total absence of humour understanding.
humour cannot be translated. I in London learnt about British humour and word-plays but on arrival on holidays in the USA and in particular with relatives in TX realized that all this was not understood. A good guide on a historic place in the Alsace used different jokes in French and in German. I discussed it with him as he has seen that I listened to both his presentations. I told him that to translate jokes from German to French and the other way round is difficult and we totally agreed. Another aspect is that German is a language bound to a very literal understanding of things, while languages like Italian or Arabic are far more on the "rethorical" side. With French the language of the "savoir vivre" and "la belle cuisine" . Your integrational failure however is completely your fault !

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Berne might be de facto the capital of Switzerland, however, Switzerland has de jure no capital.

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There's an interesting post about this here.
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I often wonder if this 'no toilet flushing after 10pm rule' is an urban myth and why so many foreigners insist on it being true. I flush the toilet, shower whenever I want, I don't hang up pictures or hoover at night though.. I haven't investigated it tbh but I've never heard of and most certainly never had to follow that rule.
I do not hoover after midnight, but I in all my places at times DID hang up pictures at night and never had a problem. And where that idea about the "no toilet flushing after 10pm" comes from is unknown to me ! Even if I know people who for this would say "it must have been the US-Americans" !



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Yup, I never heard of that rule and would never abide by it. I flush whenever I want and nobody ever complained.
Very strange to hear from somebody from "overseas" about a rule no one has ever started ! Well, if they all abide to that rule they invented themselves, they will keep quiet, whenever in a stinky environment during all night long !


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I can't quote properly from that mess but Wollishofner, just how practical do you think it would be to wash your dishes without a bottle of Handy handy?
for washing dishes I now use "Pril Apple Fresh" but I still have the "Handy" right in my kitchen. My mother started with "Handy" in about 1955 and had it in her household until September 2007 (died 22nd June 08). But my mobile phone to me is my "NATEL" . But the whole "Handy" thing is the fault of Swisscom. They some years ago threatened their private competitors with lawsuits if they continued the well established term NATEL. And so the private competitors were forced into using the Germany equivalent.

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I have to agree with (4).

(A) The Swiss are very snappy dressers. Many times I felt under-dressed wearing jeans and a t-shirt. (In Zürich that is. I noticed that fashion seems to vary a lot in such a small country)

(B) And that's why I would feel confident living in a place like Zürich. The public transportation is brilliant!

(C) Relating to the smoking in bars and restaurants: The young people certainly take advantage of this privilege! I found it hard to find a young girl (18 - 25) who didn't smoke during my stays in Switzerland. Even a lot of the young men smoke.
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most of the time for many decades mainly was wearing jeans and a t-shirt (or pullover) and seldom felt underdressed. Not at all. You possibly were in the banking business while I was in transports.
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I was forced out of car-driving by the hospital a year ago. And for different reasons changed lodgings. Now, the one S-rail station is 2 to 3 minutes away, the other one some 3 to 4 minutes, the bus station some 2 to 4 minutes away. I am sad when seeing a car which looks like what I did have, but generally I am quite happy the way it is now.
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Young men in the past smoke far more than now. What is bad is that now, far more young women smoke than in the past. --- More and more Cantons introduce anti smoking bans for all bars, cafés and restaurants. Such a ban in the Canton of Zurich will become effective on 1st January 2010. Cantons like Ticino, Geneva and others were faster in fact. So that decided smokers will have to retreat to Cantons like Schwyz and thelike



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No, Berne is the dejure Capital City of the Swiss Confederation




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The Historical Lexicon of Switzerland has an article about why Berne became the capital and not Zurich or Lucerne. Regional politics played a role, as did military concerns and federalism.

I'm not sure if Berne was bigger than Zurich back then. I can't find a number for Zurich city in 1848 (which had a smaller area before the annexations around the turn of the century):

1850
Bern city: 29'670
Zurich canton: 250'698

1900
Bern city (1910): 90'937
Zurich city: ca. 170'000

Sources:
http://hls-dhs-dss.ch/textes/d/D209.php
http://www.stadt-zuerich.ch/content/...ungsstand.html
http://www.statistik.zh.ch/statistik...df/1992_01.pdf

But in the first comparison you compare the whole Canton of Zurich with the City of Berne. Simply take it that the City of Zurich in those times only was maybe 10% of the Canton you have an idea. And 1900 reflected the enormous expansion Zurich went through between 1850 and 1900. In that period came the integration of Aussersihl which for a short while in fact was the largest municipality in Switzerland. Whomever goes to school in Zurich is taught about this upto eternal boredom.

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