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Old 04.04.2012, 12:04
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The "if you don't like it leave" comment I have never come across in Canada personally.
Isn't that because they say something like "Take a hike, hoser!".... aye?
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Fair enough. As a Canadian I should know better than make absolute statements.

In terms of "You're not a real Canadian", one will hear this in jesting contests for the most flannel or best play off beard. But seldom in the context of "you aren't genetically connected to this country, so therefore you can't express a negative opinion of it".

The "if you don't like it leave" comment I have never come across in Canada personally. But I have seen it pertaining to Switzerland numerous times in most recent EnglishForum 100 threads or so. This definitely says something about the cultural differences between the two.
While I only heard it second and third hand - I take it you didn't experience the reaction on the West Coast to the "Chinese Invasion".

Trawl around some Asian forums there and I'm sure you'll find out more.

Also, the only "real" Canadians have been reduced and marginalized to the extent that they are socially and politically irrelevant. I do wonder how happy they are with the current state of affairs...
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Re: How is switzerland?

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Also, the only "real" Canadians have been reduced and marginalized to the extent that they are socially and politically irrelevant. I do wonder how happy they are with the current state of affairs...
the general consensus here is that the countries growth is dependent on immigrates. and the government encourage high skilled employees to come.
There is a story in papers no so long ago that US resent that their high skilled citizens leave because Canada makes it so attractive for them.

I consider myself extremely lucky to be here. went through hell to acquire the study permit and had to take a year to redo math and science in south-africa to get better grades to compete for a seat in university and then as a foreigner you pay double for tuition.
My family helped me out and i owe so much.

if you are not highly skilled or apply for a position in a field out side what the labor market has a need for foreign skill. DONT bother.

but also i see lots of foreigners exploit the system in more ways i can mention.. lucky the weather discourage many to come and live of welfare and,, start families of 9 in small squatter camps like the situation back in south Africa. this kind of wreckless baby making can put a strain on any system.
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Re: How is switzerland?

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While I only heard it second and third hand - I take it you didn't experience the reaction on the West Coast to the "Chinese Invasion".

Trawl around some Asian forums there and I'm sure you'll find out more.

Also, the only "real" Canadians have been reduced and marginalized to the extent that they are socially and politically irrelevant. I do wonder how happy they are with the current state of affairs...
Canada was built on immigration, and it is central to our culture and sense of identity, which is as various as the number of cultures that created and continue to influence and be influenced by it.

There is always resistance to new influxes, especially when they involve great numbers in a short period in one geographic region. But then things tend to calm down and people get used to each other. We had some some extremely shameful episodes in our not so distant past, lest we forget.

On the other hand, there are a certain number of racists and xenophobes in Canada, may they remain the marginalized ones for the good of the country.

Any Canadians that start talking about 'real Canadians' aren't ones, IMO, and have no place in our wonderful country (unless maybe they are native peoples, they might have a case...)
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Re: How is switzerland?

Any country must manage immigration. That Canada, bordering the US, has a much easier time doing that than Switzerland should be self-evident, it can basically let in whoever it wants. There are immigrants who contributed a lot to the development of Switzerland and there those who haven't, being a massive burden on the social systems. The Swiss* generally distinguish between the two rather than being pro- or anti-immigration. A distinction that is often amiss in the discussions here on EF.

(*even the right-wing SVP)
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Re: How is switzerland?

I highly recommend that you keep your roots in Canada. You should consider a family sabbatical year to Switzerland (or perhaps two if you can make it that long). But trust me you will want to run back to the Rocky Mountains and your comfort zone after a while because that is your home. And after some period of adventures, you will want to be home again. Switzerland is a wonderful place, but unless you are independently wealthy it is unlikely that you will be able to enjoy the same standard of living you described above.

Read again what you wrote and ponder if you are willing to give it up permanently:
" my present residence in Canada is imho the best place on earth to raise a child. very safe, awesome social system, friendly people + i can see the majestic rocky mountains from my bedroom window. One would have to go a very far way to find similar circumstances"

I strongly urge you to consider spending a year here if you can, but do not burn any bridges so you can return to Canada someday. Expat life is fun and educational (as you already know coming to C from SA) , but it is also exhausting and frustrating at times. Exponentially so when trying to make it with family in tow.
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