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How is switzerland?

Asking because me and my wife are considering to new start a life there...

We are still young (20s) and want to make a move to a different place on our planet. We both are passionate and colorful humans that love learning to know different people and their culture than our own.

There are multiple reasons why we choose Switzerland. but most significant is we expect a baby girl soon and have high regard for Switzerland's educational system and environmental ethics.

So i'd probably come visit before making this major step into the unknown.

but, thought i'd ask on this forum first.
How do you like Switzerland??

I've been reading posts here about rumors of grumpiness and hostility towards immigrates.
I understand how some immigrants exploit your social benefits but I am a skilled engineer and law abiding citizen, and wish to be a productive member of society..
Also , I was born in South-Africa and my home language is Afrikaans which is derived from Dutch & German and I'd very much like to learn fluent German.

Do you think i can make a home in Switzerland? would i feel unwelcome
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Asking because me and my wife are considering to new start a life there...

We are still young (20s) and want to make a move to a different place on our planet. We both are passionate and colorful humans that love learning to know different people and their culture than our own.

There are multiple reasons why we choose Switzerland. but most significant is we expect a baby girl soon and have high regard for Switzerland's educational system and environmental ethics.

So i'd probably come visit before making this major step into the unknown.

but, thought i'd ask on this forum first.
How do you like Switzerland??

I've been reading posts here about rumors of grumpiness and hostility towards immigrates.
I understand how some immigrants exploit your social benefits but I am a skilled engineer and law abiding citizen, and wish to be a productive member of society..
Also , I was born in South-Africa and my home language is Afrikaans which is derived from Dutch & German and I'd very much like to learn fluent German.

Do you think i can make a home in Switzerland? would i feel unwelcome
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Re: How is switzerland?

Switzerland has gorgeous mountains, rivers, lakes and glaciers.
Making an effort to understand and speak the local language makes a very positive impression here.
Food is fabulous, every region/canton has it's own specialities.
Switzerland is not homogenous, and these differences can be seen as enriching as well as complicating, because many rules differ depending on which canton you're in.


Your making Switzerland your home depends on which aspects of "home" are important to you, but in general, we Swiss can be very welcoming to foreigners who make an effort to learn the language and adapt to our culture. This doesn't mean that you should know every little detail, but knowing the basics can be very helpful.
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Your making Switzerland your home depends on which aspects of "home" are important to you, but in general, we Swiss can be very welcoming to foreigners who make an effort to learn the language and adapt to our culture. This doesn't mean that you should know every little detail, but knowing the basics can be very helpful.
that is comforting to know. and give some encouragement to come for a visit. although my german is rusty, i know enough to order a draft of beer.

to add some background;
my present residence in Canada is imho the best place on earth to raise a child. very safe, awesome social system, friendly people + i can see the majestic rocky mountains from my bedroom window. One would have to go a very far way to find similar circumstances. maybe all the way to the alps.
'only i find canadians manage their wealth somewhat wasteful, but that is offtopic.

so it is definitely not out of necessity that compels us to relocate and find greener pasture. but rather a sense of adventure.
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that is comforting to know. and give some encouragement to come for a visit. although my german is rusty, i know enough to order a draft of beer.

to add some background;
my present residence in Canada is imho the best place on earth to raise a child. very safe, awesome social system, friendly people + i can see the majestic rocky mountains from my bedroom window. One would have to go a very far way to find similar circumstances. maybe all the way to the alps.
'only i find canadians manage their wealth somewhat wasteful, but that is offtopic.

so it is definitely not out of necessity that compels us to relocate and find greener pasture. but rather a sense of adventure.
My opinion? Stay in Canada! You have the social circle, the lifestyle and friendly people.

It is priceless.
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Re: How is switzerland?

I know this is not important to everyone, but if you are about to have a baby, I feel another consideration could be the closeness , or not, of family support. Not everyone needs ( or even wants) grandparents to be near, but

I personally feel this is something very important to consider and given a choice, would certainly not consider moving before seeing how life goes in Canada with a baby in the family.

I don't know if it is a national ruling, or a state one, but I do know that rules regarding maternity leave and paternity leave, are far or generous in Quebec than they are in Switzerland.

I am wondering what your understanding is of the Swiss education system. From what I see here, and from what I know of through family living in Canada, my understanding is that generally you, as parents, will have far more possible input and involvement, more choices, in Canada, than in Switzerland.

In both countries, I see a lot of very happy children. Both countries have some fantastic scenery and many opportunities for outdoor, healthy activities. Children in Switz. are encouraged to be independent ( eg: to walk/ take trams to school etc) alone, at an earlier age.
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My opinion? Stay in Canada! You have the social circle, the lifestyle and friendly people.

It is priceless.
i know i'm in a very "comfy-zone" here. but always curious how humanity conduct their lives in other parts of the world.. best way is to live in their country awhile.

but you make a very good point.+ it is a massive undertaking to immigrate and i might not fit in.

so much to consider,

is switzerland a friendly place?
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i know i'm in a very "comfy-zone" here. but always curious how humanity conduct their lives in other parts of the world.. best way is to live in their country awhile.

Is switzerland a friendly place?
Personally, I would stay in comfy zone right now. You are only in your 20's and have years ahead of you for travelling and seeing the world ( and Switzerland.) My recommendation is staying where you have family and comforts ( unless you have compelling reasons to move, such as it being the only possible job situation - doesn't sound like your position) A few more years of work will increase your potential for actually being able to get a job here and older children will adapt easily ( or as you are having children in your 20's, you will still have decades to travel and see the world once they are independent...... at least till they have children )
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Re: How is switzerland?

Swiss people can be very reserved and difficult to get to know. Saying that I have meet some really lovely people here. From my perception CH looks the same as many other European countries but very differnt social norms and values bubble below the surface.
You say you want to learn and improve your German but in the "German speaking" parts of CH they speak Swiss German, probably not the German you are thinking of. Its not a written language and varies from area to area.. And quite different from High German.
If you have a child it is, in many ways, far easier if you are in a county where you and the mother of your child speak the language and maybe have some family support. I have experience of this.
Plus its very expensive here. Last night my family and I went to the cinema. 2 children, 2 adults- tickets 82 CHF.
However it is beautiful and there are many other positive things but it wouldnt be my first choice if I had my time again and wanted to live in a different country.
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I know this is not important to everyone, but if you are about to have a baby, I feel another consideration could be the closeness , or not, of family support. Not everyone needs ( or even wants) grandparents to be near, but

I personally feel this is something very important to consider and given a choice, would certainly not consider moving before seeing how life goes in Canada with a baby in the family.

I am very aware what you mean. Baby is my foremost concern,, i will only seriously consider the a big move when baby is pass a year.

Your understanding is correct , Canada is very open liberal and we support community involvement on all levels of government.

I like the idea of grooming independence from a young age. and the earlier we can come the better the child will integrate into Swiss life

the bulk of my family lives in South Africa. 'descendents of early dutch settlers'. i do not have canadian citizenship only permanent residence status. so support is anyway minimal
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Re: How is switzerland?

Do it, make the move. Too many people stay in their comfort zone instead of living a full, colourful, adventurous life. If it doesn't work out you can move back.

Too many people would think of a 100 reasons not to do it, don't be one of them. Do it while you are young and healthy, if you wait for the kids to grow up you may not even get there, nobody knows what's around the next corner.
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but it wouldnt be my first choice if I had my time again and wanted to live in a different country.
yeah,
where do you imagine you would rather have enjoyed living?
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I like the idea of grooming independence from a young age. and the earlier we can come the better the child will integrate into Swiss life

the bulk of my family lives in South Africa. 'descendents of early dutch settlers'. i do not have canadian citizenship only permanent residence status. so support is anyway minimal
1. Integration is an interesting thing....

2. Your wife also doesn't have family support in Canada - not being nosy, just wondering if you did mean both of you?

If you really are keen to work here, perhaps you could begin by looking at how your set of job skills can be matched to any Swiss based companies. finding a job could happen overnight, or it could take you years to find the right job, that will also enable you to actually get the work visa that you need.
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Do it, make the move. Too many people stay in their comfort zone instead of living a full, colourful, adventurous life. If it doesn't work out you can move back.

Too many people would think of a 100 reasons not to do it, don't be one of them. Do it while you are young and healthy, if you wait for the kids to grow up you may not even get there, nobody knows what's around the next corner.
lol. a push of encouragement. like bungee-jumping
you understand a step like this takes courage.
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1. Integration is an interesting thing....

2. Your wife also doesn't have family support in Canada - not being nosy, just wondering if you did mean both of you?
an uncle gave us some support in the beginning to help find our feet.. now we live independent.

im an engineer out of university for 2 years. came to Canada on study permit.
only got permanent residence status recently.

there is always work for an engineer
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Asking because me and my wife are considering to new start a life there...

We are still young (20s) and want to make a move to a different place on our planet. We both are passionate and colorful humans that love learning to know different people and their culture than our own.

There are multiple reasons why we choose Switzerland. but most significant is we expect a baby girl soon and have high regard for Switzerland's educational system and environmental ethics.

So i'd probably come visit before making this major step into the unknown.

but, thought i'd ask on this forum first.
How do you like Switzerland??

I've been reading posts here about rumors of grumpiness and hostility towards immigrates.
I understand how some immigrants exploit your social benefits but I am a skilled engineer and law abiding citizen, and wish to be a productive member of society..
Also , I was born in South-Africa and my home language is Afrikaans which is derived from Dutch & German and I'd very much like to learn fluent German.

Do you think i can make a home in Switzerland? would i feel unwelcome
Come over for holidays in the area where you might settle down ! Look at matters in the perspectives of a long term stay. Do not stay in a first class hotel but in a "tourist class hotel" . Do not use taxis but use publc transport. Go to usual restaurants and not top class spots. If you then still like our place, welcome .... otherwise reconsider
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lol. a push of encouragement. like bungee-jumping
you understand a step like this takes courage.
I took a young family from the UK to Denmark, for me it was fine but my wife didn't like it so we moved back. Nothing lost and it didn't stop us going to Belgium a few years later. We also thought about Canada but after a few weeks vacation there we figured it wasn't right for us so we dropped the idea.

It's not for everyone, but you're not everyone are you

I know lots of happy ex-pats here, I also know of a guy who left after 3 days and another after 2 weeks. It's a risk, but what isn't?
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It's a risk, but what isn't?
you got that right.

im getting some mixed emotions from people here, like why on earth swizerland of all places

well i'll save some money for a visit next year. will have to travel with the baby so don't know how that works.

i enjoy skiiing. so will come have some fun on your slopes.

also like cheese
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Do not use taxis but use publc transport. Go to usual restaurants and not top class spots. If you then still like our place, welcome .... otherwise reconsider
im anyway not wealthy enough.
will anyway rather check out standard life conditions
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Re: How is switzerland?

I am just curious.. Have you considered how you are going to qualify for a work/ residence permit?

It took me years to qualify to move here and it drives me nuts when people just say " maybe we should just move to Switzerland! "
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