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Considering taking up smoking

Hi guys,
Before I start this discussion, let me note:
1. I did a thorough search and read through several discussions
2. I am not here to shun smoking or make smokers feel bad or start an internet war
3. I just want to know other's opinions or advice on the topic of smoking to help me adapt better to Switzerland.


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I am a Canadian living in Vancouver, and there are plenty of smokers here as well. I'm sure not to the extent of Europeans, but there are quite the few. I don't mind if people smoke around me outside, but I find that I have low tolerance when a freshly-smoked veteran sits down next to me on a train/bus. Essentially, I am not comfortable with such close contact with smoke.

I understand that smoking is something that I will just have to get used to, especially when living in Switzerland. In that regard, do you, both the non-smokers and smokers, have any recommendations to making this transition as comfortable as possible?
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Old 27.04.2012, 01:37
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Re: Considering taking up smoking

I am unsure other than get used to it.

I mean, I like to think most smokers are aware of the smell, and it's not attractive sitting next to a "freshly smoked veteran" but it's a choice a smoker is allowed to make.

I supposes its up there with other grieviances such as mobile chatter, loud children, or smelly food eaters.

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You could try moving or asking them to move. The Swiss do not do confrontation, though the latter is not advisable. You may get a note on your seat.....
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but I find that I have low tolerance when a freshly-smoked veteran sits down next to me on a train/bus. Essentially, I am not comfortable with such close contact with smoke.
So get up and move. You are not chained to the bus/train seat.
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Old 27.04.2012, 01:48
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Re: Considering taking up smoking

You are aware of the side effects of smoking eh? Should those not be deterrence enough?

I don't smoke, never have. But I do enjoy the smell of a lit cigarette. Honestly it's quite prevalent here (Canadian speaking here) but not so much that you'd have to take it up to fit in or to get used to it.

Plus on the buses, there is usually plenty of room to move about if someone that you don't want to be beside has sat down next to you. As well as plenty of standing/leaning space.
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I don't smoke and just wanted to tell you to please use the provided ashtrays instead of just dropping the cigarette butts to the ground and to not smoke around pregnant women, babies and entrances to places where smoking is prohibited (trains, schools, hospitals etc.). Lighting up right before leaving such a place is also frowned upon.
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Old 27.04.2012, 02:11
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Re: Considering taking up smoking

You could 'get used to'/'acquire a taste for' hitting yourself in the head with a hammer, too. I simply fail to see the reason or need for it just because 'everyone else is doing it' or 'maybe it will make me feel less uncomfortable amongst the noggin bashing majority'.
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Old 27.04.2012, 07:14
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Re: Considering taking up smoking

Speak to someone who has seen a loved one get the diagnosis of lung cancer. Diagnosis to death took 9 months.

So if you want to kill yourself please don't contribute to make the rest of us inhale it also go and find a simpler way.
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Speak to someone who has seen a loved one get the diagnosis of lung cancer. Diagnosis to death took 9 months.

So if you want to kill yourself please don't contribute to make the rest of us inhale it also go and find a simpler way.
Grandma died from smoking related lung cancer. Closed casket funeral. Dad, with tears in his eyes, told me "I'm glad you get to remember her the way she was"
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Old 27.04.2012, 07:49
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Re: Considering taking up smoking

I am not sure that the OP is really looking to start smoking. I think it is just an awkward thread title?
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Old 27.04.2012, 08:51
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Re: Considering taking up smoking

As a non smoker you will notice that there is quite a lot of smoking in europe in general. However it is improving as a number of non smoking initiatives have been progressively being introduced so you do have the chance to avoid being exposed all the time.

Public transport is now a non smoking environment in Switzerland and yes you still find people who will smoke at stations.

Restaurants have been gradually improving and tend to have smoking or non smoking areas. In additition there are particular nights which are meant to be smoke free. This can be managed by the fact if you search the various threads that restaurants in the larger cities are pretty expensive anyway so you most likely will go less then you do in Canada due to the price shock you may encounter.

What doesn't help to reduce smoking is how ridiculously cheap a packet of cigarettes is. Even as a non smoker I am fairly aware of the price due to the large amount of advertising. 5.20CHF - 6.00CHF is like giving them away the only real way to reduce the levels is to increase this by at least 3 times however given the tax income of most governments from smokers this is not really on the agenda.

You will find that Switzerland is a follower rather then a trend setter when it comes to introducing laws to reduce the volume of smoking. It is one of the ironies of living here where there is actually such a high focus on the outdoors and healthy lifestyle that such a large percentage smoke so heavily.
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Restaurants have been gradually improving and tend to have smoking or non smoking areas. In additition there are particular nights which are meant to be smoke free.
Legally banned in restaurants everywhere in the country apart from unserved smoking rooms. However there is an exception for the smallest restaurants.

Despite opinions to the contrary on here, smoking is a minority pastime even in Switzerland with about 25% of the adult population smoking. Perhaps it is because the smokers are disproportionately the young (I wonder why....?) that the impression can be gained that it is more. Even in Switzerland there is no longer any need to "get used to it". Austria is more of a problem, however.
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So get up and move. You are not chained to the bus/train seat.
If you try this in Enge, you'll end out of the station/train/bus.

Seriously, I am rarely able to find a place to stand on the platform that doesn't reek, and naturally, all that "after odour" makes it way into the carriage.

I'm with Wallabies on this one: What strikes me as strange is it's all so contradictory to Swiss nature...healthy eating, lots of outdoor activities, environmentalism, cleanliness...and yet they all smoke like chimneys.
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Re: Considering taking up smoking

Buy a bike or a car and cycle or drive everywhere....or, er... suck it up!
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I supposes its up there with other grieviances such as mobile chatter, loud children, or smelly food eaters.
As an ex smoker and as someone who loves to hate Jordan (simply because he's such a militant smoker with the cutest French Bulldawg you've ever seen), I have to agree with him on this one.

There do seem to be more smokers here in CH than there were in the US, and that god awful "post-fumoidial" odor is god awful and most foul... worse than open beer can on the tram. But I make sure that I always call them out on it and make them feel self conscious:

"You just had a cigarette, didn't you?"
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Re: Considering taking up smoking

I believe the OP is uncomfortable with the after smell/odour on a person themselves, and is ok around people smoking per se.

The odour of cigarettes does not cause cancer or harm you do let's not go down that route.

I can see this descending into another anti smoke thread.

I am not a militant smoker, I smoke 10-15 a day, but I do defend the right to smoke in outdoor spaces. Partly because it's not a demonic act and partly because the passive smoke argument is crock.
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I believe the OP is uncomfortable with the after smell/odour on a person themselves, and is ok around people smoking per se.

The odour of cigarettes does not cause cancer or harm you do let's not go down that route.

I can see this descending into another anti smoke thread.

I am not a militant smoker, I smoke 10-15 a day, but I do defend the right to smoke in outdoor spaces. Partly because it's not a demonic act and partly because the passive smoke argument is crock.
Don't be so sure about that.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/thi...-smoke/AN01985

http://www.webmd.com/smoking-cessati...oke-can-linger
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The odour of cigarettes does not cause cancer or harm you do let's not go down that route.
But it does stink.

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I can see this descending into another anti smoke thread.
Obviously. It is Friday anyway.

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the passive smoke argument is crock.
And this is why it may descend into another anti-smoking thread.
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Re: Considering taking up smoking

We don't smoke and my husband has very little tolerance to the smell of cigarettes. We live in a third floor and my neighbors downstairs like smoking in their balcony, when we open the doors to ours, the smoke goes up and ends up in our dinning room.

Not very nice, but as they are really nice neighbors, we never complaint about that, we just close the doors as soon as we smell smoke; the same way they don't complaint when we have parties or my son runs downstairs wearing his skiing boots at 7 o'clock in the morning.

I don't think there is anything special you'll have to do once here, just be tolerant and life will be a lot easier!
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Re: Considering taking up smoking

Regardless of the downsides of smoking, it is an addictive and - for many - an enjoyable passtime. However, from one who smokes the occasional cigar (2 - 3 times year) here is my perspective on all three major smoking methods.

Cigarettes - these contain tobacco that has been extensively chemically processed (it's how the manufacturer gets a consistent "great taste of X"), thus contain many noxious by products. Although mass produced, cigarette tobacco is also available for people who want roll their own. They are also extremely addictive and many people I know of who smoke cigarettes chain smoke. The smoke is inhaled and the smoke to non smokers is often perceived as acrid and unpleasant. Stale cigaretter smoke, even to smokers, is often considered as very unpleasant

Pipe Smoking - depending upon the type of tobacco smoked, pipe tobacco ranges from heavily chemically processed tobacco to just blends of different dried tobacco leafs. It requires tools (reamer, tamper, pipe cleaner, pipe filter) and some time and dedication to get the pipe lit and smoking well. Once lit, however, a clever pipe smoker can make a pipe last for quite a while (certainly more than 30 minutes). The smoke can be tasted (just taken in the mouth) or inhaled. If just "tasted" the overall health risks are only 10% higher in pipe smokers than in nonsmokers. By its very nature you get very few (if any) pipe chain smokers. Many people (including non-smokers) like the smell of pipe smoke and depending on type of pipe tobacco used, the residual small can vary from acrid to aromatic

Cigar Smoking - ignoring cigarillos, cigars (particularly good quality [and expensive] ones) are made of pure tobacco leaf that has not been chemically processed. Some smokers inhale the smoke into the lungs, particularly with cigarillos, but this is rather uncommon. The expense of quality cigars (upwards of CHF20 for one) and the nicotine hit that comes with a cigar makes chain smoking of cigars infrequent. A good cigar can last a lot, lot longer than a cigarette. When cigar smokers don’t inhale or only inhale the smoke from one or two cigars per day, the health risks are only slightly above that of non-smokers. The smoke, especially when stale, is often perceived as unpleasant.

So you pays yer money and takes yer choice...

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Ironically, despite being associated with fewer health risks than cigarettes, many place which do allow smoking nonetheless prohibit cigars and pipes
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... the passive smoke argument is crock.
....said a Forest spokesman.

But you are correct.
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