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Yes....you hit it on the head.....finally. That WOULD be a great idea but the Swiss have a LAW against that. My point proven. I always remember as a little kid, my grandma would always forget something for the Christmas Dinner and we would go to the little Chinese market and they would be open because SURPRISE.....they don't celebrate Xmas. Here that would be AGAINST THE LAW. My point proven about religion being FORCED on people who do not believe.
Christianism forced on you here?


Christianism has influenced the culture, art, architecture, science, and many things in Europe. You can't expect to remove it just because you don't like some aspects of it...

But too say it's forced on you is a bit over the top. Especially that Sunday thing, probably 1 neighbor got the piss and said whatever craap to annoy your neighbor. Anyway that person did not speak for the entire christians!

No one forces you to wear specific clothes, no one forces you to attend the church, not to eat meat on fridays, etc...

I guess you might be mixing culture, religion, tradition.

Just saying, if you don't like it you can always go back to your paradise place somewhere else...


Laicity is important in most Europeans country and I quite think it's respected (especially from christians).
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Old 07.05.2012, 18:15
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I bet you that little Chinese shop was run by the family, not employees. Same here - there is always somewhere open on a Sunday around here - one in the morning, another late afternoon. The small supermarket here closes on a Thursday, and so the one in the nearest village closes on a Wednesday- bu mutual agreement. And any day day, if I was really stuck for something, I could knock on the door and ask politely, and they would serve me. It is not against the LAW to open on Sunday - it is unlawful to employ other people to do it for you - the law is to protect employees. Employers can do what they want - so our local shop owner opens on Sunday, and it is very popular - always a smile and a bit of banter, great!

I hate to say it - but you really need to decide what you want to do with your future - stay, relax, adjust a bit, enjoy - or do something else (entirely up to you of course, - but honestly - life's too short to live with all that hate and anger inside you )

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I f peace and quite is so important in Sundays, why do church bells here make so much noise? I do not know any country where they ring as much.
Church bells do not make noise ! but are beautiful
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Yes....you hit it on the head.....finally. That WOULD be a great idea but the Swiss have a LAW against that. My point proven. I always remember as a little kid, my grandma would always forget something for the Christmas Dinner and we would go to the little Chinese market and they would be open because SURPRISE.....they don't celebrate Xmas. Here that would be AGAINST THE LAW. My point proven about religion being FORCED on people who do not believe.
Here, if you need something on Christmas Day, go to a railstation-shop, and purchase what you need.
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If you have good relationships with your neighbours - there is always somebody to borrow brown sugar fromExcellent soft, dark, moist brown sugar available at our local village supermarket btw - I bought my neighbour a bag, just so I can go and borrow some in an emergency, ahaha.

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Only if they are expats from certain countries.
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Church bells do not make noise ! but are beautiful
Not if they're within spitting distance of where you sleep, they're not
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Re: Living in a Religious Dominated Place

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Not if they're within spitting distance of where you sleep, they're not
Most likely, the church existed before you moved there.
How much pity would I get in Saudi-Arabia after moving in the vicinity of a mosque and then complain about the muezzin calling out x-times a day?
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Re: Living in a Religious Dominated Place

Wow, what a thread.

@ the OP - get over yourself.

The world doesn't revolve around you. If everyone could do what they wanted, when they wanted it would be anarchy. There are stupid laws in the US that limit freedoms, just as there are here. What's the big deal?

Personally, I see no difference between the "religion" of mass entertainment and more traditional religion. Case in point being that the religious-basis of bank holidays in CH allows you to go on your pilgrimage to EuroDisney.

As others have said, I was pleasantly surprised when I came to CH to see families spending time together on Sundays, unlike e.g., the UK where everyone does their own thing.
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Wow, what a thread.

@ the OP - get over yourself.

The world doesn't revolve around you. If everyone could do what they wanted, when they wanted it would be anarchy. There are stupid laws in the US that limit freedoms, just as there are here. What's the big deal?

Personally, I see no difference between the "religion" of mass entertainment and more traditional religion. Case in point being that the religious-basis of bank holidays in CH allows you to go on your pilgrimage to EuroDisney.

As others have said, I was pleasantly surprised when I came to CH to see families spending time together on Sundays, unlike e.g., the UK where everyone does their own thing.
No no Carlos - in the UK families do things together on a Sunday - they go round and round the supermarkets, kids being dragged along, kicking and screaming. Ye but no but ye but Even better at 11pm on a Saturday night - or yes, even at 11pm midweek- with the kids having to go to school the next day! Lovely.

CheekyMonkey : we have chosen several times to live very close to Churches. I am particularly sensitive to good vibes, and as Churches are usually built on old Pagan sites, chosen for their 'vibes' - it feels good. When you choose a place to live in - surely you need to do a bit of research re. light, noise, pollution, etc, etc. If you don't like kids, don't move next to the school playground- and if you don't like bells ..... surely?! As said before, the bells of the Church next to our flat in the UK are 100x more noisy and ring 100x more than those of the Church next to us here. Church peels (hand rung) can last up to 2 hours two evening a week and on Sundays!

Now, some of you will say, why does a confirmed atheist like me choose to live on or very near Church grounds? I am very sensitive to 'vibes' and as most Christian Churches were built on old Pagan sites- the vibes are usually very good there and have layers of history going back to 100s, 1000s and more years. They are places with a 'soul' (not in the Christian sense of the term) where it feels good to be- which is why these sites were settles so early in history.

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No no Carlos - in the UK families do things together on a Sunday - they go round and round the supermarkets, kids being dragged along, kicking and screaming. Ye but no but ye but Even better at 11pm on a Saturday night - or yes, even at 11pm midweek- with the kids having to go to school the next day! Lovely.
Nope not even: in the example you give, they are doing it as a family.

In reality, "Dad" will be down the pub watching the football with his mates getting lathered while his wife/mother(s) of his children will be doing the shopping with kids.
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Wow, what a thread.

@ the OP - get over yourself.

The world doesn't revolve around you. If everyone could do what they wanted, when they wanted it would be anarchy. There are stupid laws in the US that limit freedoms, just as there are here. What's the big deal?

Personally, I see no difference between the "religion" of mass entertainment and more traditional religion. Case in point being that the religious-basis of bank holidays in CH allows you to go on your pilgrimage to EuroDisney.

As others have said, I was pleasantly surprised when I came to CH to see families spending time together on Sundays, unlike e.g., the UK where everyone does their own thing.
No no Carlos - in the UK families do things together on a Sunday - they go round and round the supermarkets, kids being dragged along, kicking and screaming. Ye but no but ye but Even better at 11pm on a Saturday night - or yes, even at 11pm midweek- with the kids having to go to school the next day! Lovely.


CheekyMonkey - if you don't like bells it might be better to choose a different place to live, no? Our Church bells in the UK (Market Harborough, where we still have a flat) ring 100X more often than those of the Church next to us here. Church peals (hand rung) can last up to 1h30+ mins, 2 nights a week + Sundays and the bells ring the hours + every quarter right through the night (4 bells per quarter + relevant number for hours!).
Wouldn't dream of complaining since WE chose to live there.
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In reality, "Dad" will be down the pub watching the football with his mates getting lathered while his wife/mother(s) of his children will be doing the shopping with kids.
Nah - that's just you.
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Nope not even: in the example you give, they are doing it as a family.

In reality, "Dad" will be down the pub watching the football with his mates getting lathered while his wife/mother(s) of his children will be doing the shopping with kids.
Whoa slow down there fella, I was on your side for a minute there, whats wrong with that?..................

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Most likely, the church existed before you moved there.
How much pity would I get in Saudi-Arabia after moving in the vicinity of a mosque and then complain about the muezzin calling out x-times a day?
Just FYI, in Saudi it doesn't really matter much where you are; usually there are at least three mosques within hearing range, calling out prayer 5x a day. There is no escaping it. Oh and BTW, for every prayer time the shops close and you get kicked out for the duration - usually for anything between 30-40 minutes at a time. But here in Saudi there is only Islam - nothing else is tolerated. You like it or you lump it - there's no in-between
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No no Carlos - in the UK families do things together on a Sunday - they go round and round the supermarkets, kids being dragged along, kicking and screaming. Ye but no but ye but Even better at 11pm on a Saturday night - or yes, even at 11pm midweek- with the kids having to go to school the next day! Lovely.


CheekyMonkey - if you don't like bells it might be better to choose a different place to live, no? Our Church bells in the UK (Market Harborough, where we still have a flat) ring 100X more often than those of the Church next to us here. Church peals (hand rung) can last up to 1h30+ mins, 2 nights a week + Sundays and the bells ring the hours + every quarter right through the night (4 bells per quarter + relevant number for hours!).
Wouldn't dream of complaining since WE chose to live there.
Actually you misunderstood my comment. I never stated that I disliked church bells. They can be very appealing (pealing, get it?) at times, like at weddings etc. I was only stating that they can be more comfortable when not situated right next door to where you live.
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Not if they're within spitting distance of where you sleep, they're not
Where I lived for 58 years, THIS church was within 400 meters, and I am missing the tunes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bmJp1C3lJ0


and when on holidays at Grandmum in Schaffhausen, THIS church was in the same distance

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0Zzi1mBNSs

and here the powerful bells of Fraumünster in Zürich

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5562sBlHM0


I however never "lived" near to the Grossmünster but if having the chance enjoy the sound of that place

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOA_EBKyuvU&feature=related


And, just for a difference, the Adhan in Alexandria

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJOvBKdPJv0


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