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Living in a Religious Dominated Place

In planning for possible trip in two weeks (over ascension weekend) I, for the first time am realizing how hard it can be to live in a place dominated by a specific dogma. I, myself, am not religious in any and never have been, neither is my wife. I spent most of my adult life in Orlando Florida where the combination of the worlds largest tourist destination and a major multicultural and multi-religious mix means you are never really affected by religion. Coming here has been tough at times because at every turn, you are faced with a form of Christianity and most times it is trying to tell you how to live your life. My colleague was told off last Sunday for washing his car windows with a bottle of glass cleaner and a paper towel (not a full wash with a hose mind you). He asked the neighbor how it was disturbing him and he told him that Sunday is a day to rest and work was not appropriate. My colleague is Indian, so he could give a rats arse about Sunday. TO him it is just a regular day. My question is mainly to those who are not religious at all, atheist or a non-christian faith. Do you feel judged for not conforming to the religion of the masses? It just seems much more in your face here? (this goes for more countries that CH too.) This usually leads me to my frustration with Sunday. While it may be great for Christian that the "sabbath" is shuttered, what about everyone who faces Sunday as "just another day"?

P.S - I am still bitter that I booked a 4 day trip to Disneyland Paris only to discover that all of Western Europe is off on the same weekend and the parks will be a nightmare. Until now, I had never heard of Ascension.
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Re: Living in a Religious Dominated Place

I have to chuckle...
this brings me back to my first years in Germany. although coming myself from a 99,9% catholic country I had never realised that there is more to the liturgical year than Easter and Christmas...

in Germany I suddenly had to explain to my international clients why on earth I wouldn't be able to deliver any major project between may and june (good friday, ascension, whit monday, corpus christi...)
on the other hand once the children were in school I discovered the wonderful advantages of having so many long weekends in the nicest period of the year.
so I relaxed and discovered, as a total atheist, the advantages of religion

by the way, I am actually feeling much more free and less christianity-dominated here in CH than I was in germany, where my kids were always the only ones who didn't visit the religion class in state school, which is completely permeated by religion, and only god knows how many fights that exemption cost me over the years. so consider yourself lucky!
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Re: Living in a Religious Dominated Place

We once went to the Grand Canyon on the 4th of July - it was mighty crowded!

We are not religious at all and neither are any of our neighbours - so not a problem for us. When my dad still lived here, out of respect for his age, people did refrain from lawn mowing or noisy stuff on a Sunday. Now he is gone, nobody gives a hoot.

Must say we have encountered much much more rigid attitudes in the US. You've lived in Florida, so were sheltered from narrow minded religious extremists who rule much of the US - I am surprised you have travelled so little in your own country to be aware of this. Remember Footloose - it is still like that NOW, and creationists Churches and schools abound- something you will NOT find here. Switzerland also has politicians who clearly identify themselves as secular, at the highest levels. It was much easier for a black President to be elected, than it would be for an atheist.

You can't generalise about a whole country and its people because of a few personal experiences in your local area - same in the UK or the US, or wherever. Some parts of the US are so traditional and a lot more so than in CH.


Surely you must have been aware that if you had several days off from school - it was because it is a special week-end (and yes most people do not give a hoot about the traditional religious significance of it - just happy to have a long week-end off, no questions asked ) In the UK we have Bank Holidays, and we all know that hitting the road on those week-end will just be a nightmare, same for Attraction Parks, etc.
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Re: Living in a Religious Dominated Place

It doesn't worry me at all. Other countries have National holidays too, just with other names eg: Bank holidays, Memorial Day, Thanksgiving, ANZAC, abour Day, Easter, Xmas. Ramadan etc.

I am just pleased to have a couple of days off every week - I had no trouble with the fact that when I lived in Libya, it was not Saturday and Sunday. I also had no problem with not eating in the street during the day during Ramadan ( in fact, I had no trouble the day I forgot and was slurping inappropriately on an icecream in public.)

Here, I love getting the occassional long weekend as it gives me tie to do longer excursions than usual.

You have a choice here. either go with the local custom, or don't. ( not talking about breaking laws)

Personally, I rather like the fact that Sunday seems to be a family day, with people relaxing and enjoying each others company, not rushing around doing chores. You don't have to see it as buying into a religious doctrine that you do not believe.
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Re: Living in a Religious Dominated Place

While the roots of Sunday restrictions lie in the Christian tradition of the day of rest, these days it has little to do with religious observation. Rather, the Sunday restrictions are now about maintaining quiet, something the culture values highly. For most Swiss - religious and non-religious alike - relaxation equals quiet, and this is what the Sunday rules now protect.

Few people in Switzerland are actively religious anymore - pop into a village church on a Sunday morning, and you'll find only a handful of participants - most of whom are sporting gray hair.

Chances are that the person doing the telling off for a Sunday infraction hasn't darkened a church door in decades.

It's the same rationale that prohibits noise during the two hours around lunch.

Me, I come from a religious family, but a loud one. In my Chicago Catholic tradition, Sunday was party time.

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Amusingly, one of the arguably most religious towns around here is Einsiedeln. Yet many shops are open on Sundays (It's a pilgrimage site, so tourism rules apply.) And my experience is that it is one of the most tolerant places wrt Sunday activities. As my Einsiedeler friend says: "Kein Richter, kein Klage."
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You've lived in Florida, so were sheltered from narrow minded religious extremists who rule much of the US - I am surprised you have travelled so little in your own country to be aware of this.

Surely you must have been aware that if you had several days off from school
You are right that many places in the US are filled with crazy religious folks and I chose specifically never to visit those places. You can have Alabama and Mississippi. My school is an international school and the school always gives the 3rd weekend in May as a 4 day weekend to bridge the gap between Spring break and the end of the school year. So last year the holiday for us was not Ascension. I just find it interesting how readily people want to thrust their beliefs on others. I have heard that Germany is much worse. I am guessing that is due to the near split in CH between Catholic and Protestant. I do find it fascinating that many Catholic cantons have extra holiday time because they have more religious days. It seems, however, that almost all the CH bank holidays are religious with the exception of Swiss National Day.
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Re: Living in a Religious Dominated Place

I like the Sunday attitude here, no shops, no work, no 'noise' etc etc means more family time, I like that. Go o the lake on a Sunday and you will see family afte family walking and enjoying quality time together.
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Re: Living in a Religious Dominated Place

Those religious holidays are now just great excuses for keeping a high quality of living thy the Swiss are so found of. Noise and work on Sundays does not count as high quality living.
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Re: Living in a Religious Dominated Place

This is my favorite thing about people. What is high quality of living? Who says a quiet Sunday is high quality? I know people who lament the Sunday thing no matter what country it is simply because it stems from an ideal that they do not believe. When studies measure quality of life, they include things like economics, schools, pollution, stability of government and public safety. I don't recall Mercer saying Switzerland has a high standard of living because people are forced to relax on Sunday. It comes from a religious belief system and one that many people do not believe in. For me, high quality of living is all about choices and freedom. Freedom to chose to do whatever makes you happy. For some, that may be a quiet Sunday with family, but for others that could make for a right crappy day.
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Those religious holidays are now just great excuses for keeping a high quality of living thy the Swiss are so found of. Noise and work on Sundays does not count as high quality living.
Washing car windows hardly counts as 'work', 'noisy' or 'noisy work'.
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You can't generalise about a whole country and its people because of a few personal experiences in your local area - .
And, yet, you don't seem to have a problem doing just that....
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I am guessing that is due to the near split in CH between Catholic and Protestant. I do find it fascinating that many Catholic cantons have extra holiday time because they have more religious days. It seems, however, that almost all the CH bank holidays are religious with the exception of Swiss National Day.
You have to realize that religion in most places is inextricably interwoven with culture. In Switzerland , the Reformation was a significant factor in forming the look and "feel" of the nation, even to this day, even if other factors were at play in the "religious" conflicts between Reformed and Catholic( Merchant class against Clergy,etc). Ultimately , in every country, you gonna have some " holidays". Where on the calender they are placed has to do with the history of the place. In the US commerce did away with Sunday and it is entertaining for all except those having to work on those Sundays. I've found out , that even here, despite the Sunday "fassade", there is a certain class , outside of restaurant workers who are working no matter what. That is another topic altogether though.

I would say that what you are experiencing as "religious oppression" is rather social control exercised by the collective conformity of the Swiss. Eventually this becomes invisible , and alas,(10 yrs later) you have finally arrived!
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Absolutely - Many of us who have lived in countries where Sunday (and as said before, it could be any other day as I do not have a religious bone in my body or soul) - well ONE day, is different, special. A day where nobody can force you to work, a day for yourself, you and your partner, your kids, your family, sport, cinema, lie in bed all day, share it with friends, whatever.

This is the way it is here- and as anything, it cannot suit every body, and I am sorry it does not suit you. Why should your freedom to shop on a Sunday mean that people who DO NOT want to work on Sunday have to, just to suit you. I'm afraid you do live in the central part in Switzerland which is generally still quite traditional and formal, and where, possibly, religion holds more power than in other parts (mind you, try the upper Valais for taste).
You say you have very consciously avoided those parts of the US where religion and tradition still have such a strong hold. So why choose to move to a part of Switzerland which holds (perhaps?? not sure here) similar if less overbearing values? Would I have gone to work in Alabama? I don't think so.

Western Europe was dominated by Christianity - even when I was a kid in the 50s. But honestly and truly, although the holidays are still based on old traditional Christian festivals, those of course moulded on much older Pagan ones- the Christian aspect is only important here for the very few - especially since Church tax in my Canton has become optional!!! As said, I do believe that the Christian influence is nowadays much stronger in many parts of the US.

phdoofus - would you care to elaborate on your comment please?

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Re: Living in a Religious Dominated Place

Are you saying that religion doesn't dominate life in many Western European countries? It may be a generalization, but it is pretty spot on. This is true for other countries with other religions, so this is by no means a jab post at Christians. I use it as the example because Western Europe is dominated by Christianity. I was just curious to hear from people who are either no religious or not Christians and see how they feel with such a strong religious influence.
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Absolutely - Many of us who have lived in countries where Sunday (and as said before, it could be any other day as I do not have a religious bone in my body or soul) - well ONE day, is different, special. A day where nobody can force you to work, a day for yourself, you and your partner, your kids, your family, sport, cinema, lie in bed all day, share it with friends, whatever.

This is the way it is here- and as anything, it cannot suit every body, and I am sorry it does not suit you. Why should your freedom to shop on a Sunday mean that people who DO NOT want to work on Sunday have to, just to suit you. I'm afraid you do live in the central part in Switzerland which is generally still quite traditional and formal, and where, possibly, religion holds more power than in other parts (mind you, try the upper Valais for taste).
You say you have very consciously avoided those parts of the US where religion and tradition still have such a strong hold. So why choose to move to a part of Switzerland which holds (perhaps?? not sure here) similar if less overbearing values? Would I have gone to work in Alabama? I don't think so.

phdoofus - would you care to elaborate on your comment please?
First of all, I moved to this part because the school I work for is here, so that couldn't have changed no matter what. What is hard for me is the reason behind the Sunday and religious holiday thing. If the entire country had voted a hundred years ago and chose any one of the seven days as a "Day with Family Day" where all stores were shuttered and closed, I would have no issues with it. But let's be honest. Everyone loves to "claim" that Sunday is shuttered because the Swiss want a family day, but it is still about the Sabbath, God, the Bible and Church. So, for me who does not believe in those things, it is hard to swallow. From the contact I have with non-christians, they feel the same way. I have two Muslim students and their parents are always commenting on how difficult the Sunday thing is because they celebrate Friday. For strict Jews, they observe sundown on Friday night to Sundown on Saturday. My point is that the world is becoming such a mix, that we need to learn that people don't always believe the same way.
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I never thought I'd hear an American complaining about religious influence in western europe, this is probably the most secular region on the planet.

Where I grew up (Connecticut, not Alabama or Mississippi), you can't buy alcohol after 8pm, or on Sundays. I was regularly subject to attempted conversion no matter where in the US I was. I was sent to the principals office for not knowing the pledge of allegiance when I changed schools, I've had a priest come to my door when I was around 10 and tell me I was going to hell because I wasn't baptized, and this was all in the 80s and 90s.
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I never thought I'd hear an American complaining about religious influence in western europe, this is probably the most secular region on the planet.

Where I grew up (Connecticut, not Alabama or Mississippi), you can't buy alcohol after 8pm, or on Sundays. I was regularly subject to attempted conversion no matter where in the US I was. I was sent to the principals office for not knowing the pledge of allegiance when I changed schools, I've had a priest come to my door when I was around 10 and tell me I was going to hell because I wasn't baptized, and this was all in the 80s and 90s.
This is not about the US being free of this. This isn't a Swiss is bad US is good post. The US in many ways can be worse. It depends on where you go though and please remember I come from a place where things are open and busy 24hr 365. This is about any place forcing religious customs on people who do not believe it. Most developed first world countries these days have huge portions of their populations who do not subscribe to the religious dogma that guides the rules and laws.

By the way, I have a friend who moved here last year who was born and raised in Las Vegas. Think he had a hard time adjusting to the hours here?
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From the contact I have with non-christians, they feel the same way. I have two Muslim students and their parents are always commenting on how difficult the Sunday thing is because they celebrate Friday. For strict Jews, they observe sundown on Friday night to Sundown on Saturday. My point is that the world is becoming such a mix, that we need to learn that people don't always believe the same way.
Just for your information, another non believer here. I think it would be nice to have alternate days of rest for those of different faiths. In NYC, there was always a Orthodox Jewish home Center, like a mini Home Depot( OBI), open on Sunday, which for them was not the Sabbath. They had the nastiest service on earth , but they were the only place to get your home improvement supplies on Sundays. And this was in a Orthodox Jewish majority neighborhood, namely Williamsburg, Brooklyn.
Unfortunately , there is already a feeling of being displaced in their own country , for many Swiss here, so it's unlikely to be any liberalization of Sunday rules any time soon.
If I may, I respectfully suggest you find some way to get over this.
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Just for your information, another non believer here. I think it would be nice to have alternate days of rest for those of different faiths. In NYC, there was always a Orthodox Jewish home Center, like a mini Home Depot( OBI), open on Sunday, which for them was not the Sabbath. They had the nastiest service on earth , but they were the only place to get your home improvement supplies on Sundays. And this was in a Orthodox Jewish majority neighborhood, namely Williamsburg, Brooklyn.
Unfortunately , there is already a feeling of being displaced in their own country , for many Swiss here, so it's unlikely to be any liberalization of Sunday rules any time soon.
If I may, I respectfully suggest you find some way to get over this.
Yes....you hit it on the head.....finally. That WOULD be a great idea but the Swiss have a LAW against that. My point proven. I always remember as a little kid, my grandma would always forget something for the Christmas Dinner and we would go to the little Chinese market and they would be open because SURPRISE.....they don't celebrate Xmas. Here that would be AGAINST THE LAW. My point proven about religion being FORCED on people who do not believe.
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Yes....you hit it on the head.....finally. That WOULD be a great idea but the Swiss have a LAW against that. My point proven. I always remember as a little kid, my grandma would always forget something for the Christmas Dinner and we would go to the little Chinese market and they would be open because SURPRISE.....they don't celebrate Xmas. Here that would be AGAINST THE LAW. My point proven about religion being FORCED on people who do not believe.
It is the same for all other public holidays, like Labour Day (the socialist religion), New Year's day (which is, because of the gregorian calendar actually also a christian holiday) and 1 August (the Swiss religion)
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