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Re: Are the Swiss really hard to crack like coconuts?

Give them some money of yours and they'll give you a smile
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Agree - we have been here for 3 years and live in a small apartment block. The other 3 residents still barely say hello.
Just a question since you didn't say it...are you saying hello to them daily as well?
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Old 12.05.2012, 01:13
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yeah the swiss are hard coconuts from personal experîence and boring people (they go in pair)
if you can avoid them you should they are a waste of time (my opinion).

boring, ugly, quite pathetic haha i don't have the nicest of opinions hahah

some will say they are less shalow from people like the USA, but the reality is that they are just a shalow but don't have any guts.

PS.- the exception would be some swiss-german people, some of them would be the nicest, most trustworthy and faithful friends you'll ever meet
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yeah the swiss are hard coconuts from personal experîence and boring people (they go in pair)
if you can avoid them you should they are a waste of time (my opinion).

boring, ugly, quite pathetic haha i don't have the nicest of opinions hahah

some will say they are less shalow from people like the USA, but the reality is that they are just a shalow but don't have any guts.

PS.- the exception would be some swiss-german people, some of them would be the nicest, most trustworthy and faithful friends you'll ever meet

What makes them so boring?
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Re: Are the Swiss really hard to crack like coconuts?

closed minded, don't want to have adventures and get out of their confort zone. they just want to stay in and do nothing and have no interests except beer.

(i'm in my 20's so it would be different if you're older)
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closed minded, don't want to have adventures and get out of their confort zone. they just want to stay in and do nothing and have no interests except beer.

(i'm in my 20's so it would be different if you're older)

Have you done a survey to gather this information? Did you go house to house? Any peeping Tom type of activity to verify? Was this information compiled over a duration of 20 minutes? How many Swiss passport carrying people do you know, and why do you know SO MUCH about then?

If I sound like I am not in agreement it's because I'm not.

If you may, define, Comfort Zone for me please.
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yes, but
a) i started off in schwyz. just visiting my swiss GF. thats why i said I KNEW about all this beforehand

b) when a convo kicks off, many times the question why im here and how i like it comes before i could ever throw in my german superiority. and im full of praise why everything is BETTER than in germany and thats why im living here.

c) the arrogance card swiss can maybe play to either tourists complaining or noobs. NOBODY i know that came here by choice, to live n work here, that lived here for longer than 3weeks ever does that! from my experience its people out of their minds, not knowing that this is stupid. everybody i spoke with told me how bad it is for the ger-ch-respect. educated people, people that planned the move properly, that read a lot beforehand... i have never experienced that, rather vice versa. and then we have the "oh, youre cool german but others are crap". no facts, no encounters personally, all hearsay. its like the paki sucks but chet on the corner shop does the best curry, pays his taxes, good man. or the turk in germany is not welcome, but ali in my local kebap shop is the best fella in my street. hardworking n stuff. screw that! its BS. it is that swiss do have a prob with us, should get a therapy done to cure their trauma of missing high german and lack of self-esteem.

eg when i have friends over and we hit town, enter the tram... i tell everybody to please keep quiet with all that "oh, it sound sooooo cute!" "fränkli" -li this -li that. be assured that i know these cliffs very well since the beginning of my relship with CH.

the poodle thingy... nope. its not that im calling one up first or without the offer from my opposite: wanna meet again? especially because at the occasion where i met said swiss (there were many other encounters at studenets partys of my GFs fellow students we were invited to) the convo in the midst of time turned awkward, stiff. me inwardly face palming...thinking: wtf is wrong with you?

i mean, i dont want to be everybodys best fruend. i just want to have a relaxed conversation, mingle, share some beer, get to know somebody a little...simply having a good time. and again i have to say that in no other country i have lived in europe i witnessed such difficulty. its a pitty, nothing more.
I am normally hosting a small get together(of foreigners as it turns out) on Sunday, but I will check with the times, and see if I can still make it. Give you the opportunity to pummel the crap out of me on open grass.
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I. Hence, ridiculously crowded stores. Hence, a bad mood).
I think that we'd see a lot more smiles here if the people were more free and not forced to do everything at specific times.
The best word I have ever found to describe Swiss culture is RIGID.
Interesting. In America we have wide open shopping times where people can shop whenever they like. I'm curious what the violence, violent death, and the smiles are compared to here. So rigid and yet so still alive.
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Old 12.05.2012, 12:21
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Have you done a survey to gather this information? Did you go house to house? Any peeping Tom type of activity to verify? Was this information compiled over a duration of 20 minutes? How many Swiss passport carrying people do you know, and why do you know SO MUCH about then?

If I sound like I am not in agreement it's because I'm not.

If you may, define, Comfort Zone for me please.
haha, it's such easy to argument by hyperbol and say that I haven't seen or analyzed every swiss in the whole of switzerland, of course i'v not done that.

What I have had experienced on the other hand is "been here" for 18 years in different towns and with friends from the german and french part of switzerland.

And I can tell you, this place sucks to grow up (the place has potential, but the locals people arg).
I'm not saying in other places it may be better but I'm not a fan of the people here (as you may rapidly conclude).

Confort zone, is just getting out of your confort zone hahah, what I mean by that: boys rarely go to parties when not invited or when they don't know the people, people don't answer the telephone if they don't know the number, very few organzes events, they rarely stand up against authority (and find wierd if you do it), wouldn't do any kareoke in public, ...

It's just more of an question of attitude more than anything else.

and oh yeah, they exclude you very easily (if you stop being consistent and start hanging around with other people, they will stop contacting you)

"and yes there are exceptions..."

I just found that I spent a lot of time and energy to "adapt" to some swiss people and wrongly believed that you could get a happy social life without "playing by their rules" and since they were "hard to break" that at least if you manage to do that I would get solid friendships but no.

Really theses people were are pretty much boring and apparently convinced that this is a fine lifestyle.

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Re: Are the Swiss really hard to crack like coconuts?

Thanks twiist. Now I understand. It looks like I'm not a typical Swiss, except I don't answer phone calls if I don't know the number, simply because 99% of those callers try to sell me something I do not want or need -- not as bad as in the USA, but still...

Because, in your book, I'm not a typical Swiss I have no friends. I always wondered why. But after reading your assessment of the Swiss I think that's a good thing. I don't want to have to deal with all those "boring, ugly, quite pathetic" people. Thanks for opening my eyes.

Now I don't quite know how to tell those people who think they are my friends that they are a boring, ugly and quite pathetic bunch, just like me.
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Old 12.05.2012, 12:59
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Re: Are the Swiss really hard to crack like coconuts?

It's a funny world we live in. Some people moan about others around them, others love the Swiss world.

Last night, I had the ultimate "Swiss experience". A friend and I walked up to a local restaurant, were greeted warmly by the restaurant manager, talked to the other locals at our table, began a game of Jass while being serenaded by three Handorgelers and had wonderful conversations. We sat outside and looked upon the town's lights below. As we walked home, my "Swiss" friend mentioned that she could call any of those people tomorrow and they would help her if she was in need.

We are all basically looking for the same thing: to be accepted and repsected for what we are. But that only works if we also accept and respect others too. It's a give and take, in any culture. Yes, the Swiss are harder to get to know because they are a suspicious folk, but once you show them respect and acceptance, they will usually treat you thus as well.
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Re: Are the Swiss really hard to crack like coconuts?

@Olygirl, whilst I agree with what you say about the Swiss, I disagree with your reasoning. In my experience the Swiss are like that because they are typical People, not because they are typical Swiss.

@Twiiist, I'm not Swiss. I don't pick up the phone when I don't recognise the number because I don't want to waste time with telemarketers. If it's not a telemarketer, I'll call them back. I don't go to parties when I'm not invited because I was brought up to think that wasn't polite. Not that it wasn't Swiss. I rarely stand up against authority because I believe its pragmatic to pick my fights - when its a really big deal, or when I stand a chance of winning. I don't do karaoke in public because I'm shy ... not because I'm Swiss. And I easily exclude people who think overly highly of themselves or who are overly pushy to become my friend before I really have a chance to get to know them. In particular I don't like to make friends with people who stereotype others by race, nationality, class, or religion (... oops does that make me like them?!)
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Thanks twiist. Now I understand. It looks like I'm not a typical Swiss, except I don't answer phone calls if I don't know the number, simply because 99% of those callers try to sell me something I do not want or need -- not as bad as in the USA, but still...

Because, in your book, I'm not a typical Swiss I have no friends. I always wondered why. But after reading your assessment of the Swiss I think that's a good thing. I don't want to have to deal with all those "boring, ugly, quite pathetic" people. Thanks for opening my eyes.

Now I don't quite know how to tell those people who think they are my friends that they are a boring, ugly and quite pathetic bunch, just like me.
" I'm not a typical Swiss I have no friends" ?? What ?
sarcasm aside, they are quite ugly hahah
I find their arrogance the most pathetic part, don't you feel that they seem so arrogant ?
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@Olygirl, whilst I agree with what you say about the Swiss, I disagree with your reasoning. In my experience the Swiss are like that because they are typical People, not because they are typical Swiss.

@Twiiist, I'm not Swiss. I don't pick up the phone when I don't recognise the number because I don't want to waste time with telemarketers. If it's not a telemarketer, I'll call them back. I don't go to parties when I'm not invited because I was brought up to think that wasn't polite. Not that it wasn't Swiss. I rarely stand up against authority because I believe its pragmatic to pick my fights - when its a really big deal, or when I stand a chance of winning. I don't do karaoke in public because I'm shy ... not because I'm Swiss. And I easily exclude people who think overly highly of themselves or who are overly pushy to become my friend before I really have a chance to get to know them. In particular I don't like to make friends with people who stereotype others by race, nationality, class, or religion (... oops does that make me like them?!)
yeah you're confusing causation and correlation.

yeah and you're excuses are the typical ones I hear, to be frank you're seem boring and quite weak.

PS.- I'm swiss by nationality
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yeah you're confusing causation and correlation.

yeah and you're excuses are the typical ones I hear, to be frank you're seem boring and quite weak.

PS.- I'm swiss by nationality
I was going to groan you but I've decided to send you another message instead:

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I find their arrogance the most pathetic part, don't you feel that they seem so arrogant ?
Arrogance? Please don't ask me about my opinion on how you come across. Newton's third law comes to my mind, physics transferred to social psychology.

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Edit #2: Cute. You mean, you are Swiss, hence you are entitled to be arrogant?
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I was going to groan you but I've decided to send you another message instead:

one of the things that is interesting to me is that the "wisdom" that the Swiss are standoffish and difficult to get to know but the world's greatest friends once you "break through" is standard fare for most cultural training expats receive before they move here. and, of course, that cultural training is by and large provided by folks who are native to Switzerland.
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one of the things that is interesting to me is that the "wisdom" that the Swiss are standoffish and difficult to get to know but the world's greatest friends once you "break through" is standard fare for most cultural training expats receive before they move here. and, of course, that cultural training is by and large provided by folks who are native to Switzerland.
You raise a good point, but I think it's based on social expectations of relationships. As the Swiss believe in self sufficiency a good friend might be someone they can depend upon to meet regularly at the cost of spontaneity.

It seems once you are regarded as reliable, options appear. However if you're more of a social butterfly......
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I have a theory that the Swiss are (relatively-speaking) an unfriendly culture because they are all so busy working and/or grocery-shopping that they simply don't have time for new friends. It seems that life here is so incredibly routine because everyone is forced to do everything at very specific times. (e.g. One cannot shop after work because stores close early, and one cannot shop on Sunday because stores are closed. Hence, one must shop on Saturday when EVERYONE else in CH is shopping. Hence, ridiculously crowded stores. Hence, a bad mood).
I think that we'd see a lot more smiles here if the people were more free and not forced to do everything at specific times.
The best word I have ever found to describe Swiss culture is RIGID.
I was going to groan- but I am trying very hard not to do it too often. But the things we have to read on EF sometimes The fact some of you have had less than pleasant experiences in some part of Switzerland does NOT mean 'Swiss culture' (what on earth is this btw) is RIGID- in my area is really isn't - we are a very open and friendly lot
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Re: Are the Swiss really hard to crack like coconuts?

Swiss people are interested in "who you are" not "who you appear to be." The quick, clickish, so-called friendships that Americans, and perhaps others, are used to does not work in Switzerland, which is a good thing. The Swiss do not take "friendship" lightly. Just because someone smiles at you, calls you on the phone, and you spend some time together does not mean they are your "friend." A friend is a much deeper relationship than a casual acquaintance which many people get confused. If anything the Swiss are not "superficial." They just want to be sure "you are who you say you are." If a Swiss person says "OK I will give you a call we must meet one day," they mean it. They are not saying it to try and "impress you."
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