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Old 22.05.2012, 10:14
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Re: short commute- small flat/bigger place - longer commute?

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This thread is a real eye-opener in the midst of my insomnia. I live in Basel and am considering job opportunities in Zurich and had planned to do the commute for a bit, see how I lke Zurich then move there but there is definitely some food for thought here, especially the one about food shopping
people complain various things in switzerland, but the basic stuff like shopping and washing rotas you can fix/avoid. e.g. i got a flat close to zurich HB - the migros there is open till around 10pm or so every day.

i guess you could try zurich while living in basel. just go out in zurich and then take the train back home. i suspect you will want to move to the big Z.
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Old 22.05.2012, 10:35
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people complain various things in switzerland, but the basic stuff like shopping and washing rotas you can fix/avoid. e.g. i got a flat close to zurich HB - the migros there is open till around 10pm or so every day.
Agreed. Zurich is pretty good (by Swiss standards) as far as opening hours are concerned. Even the smallish Coop on Röntgenplatz is now open until 9pm.

What one will lose by moving from Zurich to Basel though is the choice of products created by the existence of Swiss, German and French stores and supermarkets within a few square kilometers.
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Re: short commute- small flat/bigger place - longer commute?

When I arrived, having had more than an hour transfer at home, I wanted to be in a walking distance from the office.
Now the OH (Zurich-borned) prefers a nicer area in Z... ok, I moved with him and have a 30 minuts transfer.

but not sure what the choice will be when/if babys arrive... i guess space will be it
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What one will lose by moving from Zurich to Basel though is the choice of products created by the existence of Swiss, German and French stores and supermarkets within a few square kilometers.
... among other things. Basel and Zürich are really very different places. The differences don't end at shopping!
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Old 22.05.2012, 12:01
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... among other things. Basel and Zürich are really very different places. The differences don't end at shopping!
I'm well aware of that.
Just pointed it out because carlottina mentioned she was worried about food shopping.
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Old 22.05.2012, 12:20
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let's say you finish work at 6pm. you take 1.5 hours to get home. at 7.30 you get home. all the shops are closed. to the extent anybody was out after work, they probably had their one drink and gone home. so you have no food and no life.

in many other countries, there's still life after 6pm.
Fifteen hours commuting a week is daft IMO. What's that a year?

There's plenty of life where there is life, and that's not out in the sticks (ie, beyond the Zurich tram lines). Here in the city there are local shops open until 10pm or beyond, the public transport is the best there is should you need to leave your neighbourhood - and you don't need to much - and work is a twelve minute walk. People talk about quality of life; you can't take your twin garage with you to the next life, so start enjoying it now.
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Re: short commute- small flat/bigger place - longer commute?

We had a choice, a small concrete box in zurich canton, or, a huge house in the mountains with no neighbours, we chose the mountains, sure we can't get a pizza delivered and I have just over an hours commute each way, but I can work on the train and our quality of life is much better.

and when all's said and done its still way less then the commute I was doing in the uk, and costs less, and is more reliable, and its further lol
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Old 22.05.2012, 13:45
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Just as an example (I've never been to the house although I've driven past it many a time and have NO links with those people) - here is the sort of thing you can get here for less than 800.


www.villa-la-joux.ch

And there are many others in the 500/600 range. Trains to Neuchatel - then Bern or Yverdon/Lausanne.
I am close to sobbing when I compare what one can find in or close to Zurich around that price.

I live about 10 mins tram ride from Zurich HB. Any closer and the hustle and bustle would get to me.... eg Langstrasse area: no way! Any further away and I would feel too far removed from the action.

I guess I live in the goldilocks zone of Zurich... not too hot or cold for me. On the other hand, accommodation prices just dont allow me to have what I would like (i.e. a larger apartment) in this zone.
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Old 22.05.2012, 14:28
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Re: short commute- small flat/bigger place - longer commute?

The solution of course is to have a pad in your place of work and a beachfront villa in South West Sardinia.
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Re: short commute- small flat/bigger place - longer commute?

i think it depends on the hours you have to do in the office...eg 9 to 5pm I would take the big house long commute
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Re: short commute- small flat/bigger place - longer commute?

Never commuted far except when I worked as a consultant, even then i'd push for expenses for a hotel if it were much more than an hour or so, always lived close to work to walk or cycle, commuting never really made sense. Fine if you have kids and maybe want a garden, but otherwise...
Either you'll need a car, plus petrol and insurance and all other crap, or an expensive season ticket (Although a GA is a fantastic idea), factor that in when looking at cheaper places. Also, **** rush hour traffic.
Time; Say, 1/2 hour commute each way, 5 hours extra a week, be generous and say you only work 40 weeks a year, that's still 200 hours in a car or in a train, in rush hour traffic.
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Old 22.05.2012, 14:50
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Re: short commute- small flat/bigger place - longer commute?

"some" might say that those 200 hours on the train reading a book or watching something on ones ipad are more fun than the 200 extra hours you might put in at the office or 200 extra hours doing household duties if you lived closer to home.
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Old 22.05.2012, 15:04
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"some" might say that those 200 hours on the train reading a book or watching something on ones ipad are more fun than the 200 extra hours you might put in at the office or 200 extra hours doing household duties if you lived closer to home.

I would put it the other way, *commuters* spend an extra 200 hours in an unpaid work related activity. If I put an extra 200 hours in at the office, they'll pay me for it.

Household chores have to be done anyway.
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Old 22.05.2012, 15:11
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I would put it the other way, *commuters* spend an extra 200 hours in an unpaid work related activity. If I put an extra 200 hours in at the office, they'll pay me for it.

Household chores have to be done anyway.
Indeed, when I travel for work, I count any extra travel hours (i.e. beyond my normal 8 minute walk to work time) as extra work time, and compensate them with extra vacation.

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Old 22.05.2012, 15:20
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"some" might say that those 200 hours on the train reading a book or watching something on ones ipad are more fun than the 200 extra hours you might put in at the office or 200 extra hours making love to a beautiful woman or doing household duties if you lived closer to home.
Fixed et cet.
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Old 22.05.2012, 15:38
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I would put it the other way, *commuters* spend an extra 200 hours in an unpaid work related activity. If I put an extra 200 hours in at the office, they'll pay me for it.
Lucky you, I do not get paid extra for working longer. It is just expected of me.

As mentioned in another recent thread, I used to commute an hour each way and enjoyed reading / watching / coming down after a stressful day but didnt enjoy getting home later in the evening. Now I have a 10 minute commute each way and wish I had more time to wake up in the morning, more time to read, but I appreciate being home earlier in the evenings. Its horses for courses. I like where I live in Zurich, and wouldn't like to live way outside Zurich even for twice the floor space, I would say overall that I am content.
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Lucky you, I do not get paid extra for working longer. It is just expected of me.
In Switzerland, it's not lucky me, it's unlucky you, work hours are pretty strictly enforced here for most.

Honestly, that attitude sucks from companies, what do they do for you for the extra work you put in? Sometimes yeah, a job has to be done to a deadline, but that should be the exception, not the rule. If it happens all the time, the company is simply taking advantage.

otherwise, if you have to put in long hours anyway, you'd still have to add your commute time to that as well.
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Re: short commute- small flat/bigger place - longer commute?

I highly doubt that I am the exception in Switzerland. Conduct a survey among management consultants for example and you will find that they put in a hell of a lot of unpaid extra hours. A lot of senior jobs simply just expect you to put the hours in. Of course, this may be rewarded indirectly at year end or appraisal or... not.

I was only trying to say that people in my situation might be happy with an excuse to leave the office a little earlier... a long commute being one such excuse. I've seen that happen firsthand a number of times.

Nevertheless it does not apply to you. Fair enough!
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Re: short commute- small flat/bigger place - longer commute?

I'd have to agree, in none of the places I have worked here has anyone just rolled in at 8:30am then rolled out at 6pm day in day out and never had to do any extra unpaid work, especially nowadays, don't do it and you'll find yourself right at the top of the 'next in line for redundancy' list (or contract not to be renewed list)
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Re: short commute- small flat/bigger place - longer commute?

I roll in at 7:30, out at 12:00, back in at 13:30, back out at 17:30.

Very rare that I or anyone else works extra hours.

However, this is a Swiss company, and is not in banking/pharma/etc.

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