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short commute- small flat/bigger place - longer commute?

When we lived in the UK, we knew many people who worked in London Centre or the City. When they married and had children - all of them moved out of London to be able to afford more space and a garden - and accepted that a longer commute is the price to pay.

Even in Leicestershire, we had friends who commuted everyday to Birmingham or even London (fast train from Market Harborough) for the same reasons. Several had a small studio in town so they could stay overnight a few nights a week- then would work from home or at least be there at week-ends.

What is your choice? Here you can still buy a family house with 4 bedrooms and a garden for about 500- which would get you nothing by the Lake in Neuch- and nothing at all in Zug, Zurich or Geneva. And plenty of very large apartments available, with garden space, to rent. Many Swiss have decided to live here just to be able to buy or rent a bigger place.
Tough decision - not sure what I'd do.
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Re: short commute- small flat/bigger place - longer commute?

For me, in a heartbeat I would have a longer commute for more space at home. Home is my sanctuary and I am soooo missing having a back yard and I think our dog agrees! That said, I love being home so I also don't want a 2 hour commute each way and never get to enjoy it , thus why we don't have it now as we'd have to go a long way out in order to afford what we would ideally want. Vicious circle!
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Re: short commute- small flat/bigger place - longer commute?

When I was applying for jobs in Basel or Luzern, I had considered staying put in Fribourg and getting a shared flat to stay in a few nights a week. Best of both worlds, like your friends, Odile.
As it transpires, I got a job in Bern so it wasn't an issue. If I had to make a choice, I'd prefer to have more space and cope with the commute; you can always sleep on a train.
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Re: short commute- small flat/bigger place - longer commute?

What about something in between? For example I live in Adliswil in a bigger apartment and my commute into Zurich is about 20 minutes by train.
My commute to work however is about 45 minutes by train but you get used to it.
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Re: short commute- small flat/bigger place - longer commute?

Generally, I'd say the Swiss concept of commuting is pretty different to the British or Australasian concept. In Sydney I had a one-hour drive to work from my Sydney suburban home and in London, as the OP stated, many choose to commute at least an hour from outlying villages into the City. It's quite normal to travel these distances to work.

Here in Switzerland, a one-hour commute would entail traversing five cantons (or even a national border or two), in-depth knowledge of cantonal speed camera laws, bureaucratic battles with multiple taxmen and countless other issues. No wonder the Swiss react in horror whenever anyone suggests living more than walking distance from their place of work.
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Here in Switzerland, a one-hour commute would entail traversing five cantons (or even a national border or two), in-depth knowledge of cantonal speed camera laws, bureaucratic battles with multiple taxmen and countless other issues. No wonder the Swiss react in horror whenever anyone suggests living more than walking distance from their place of work.
Funny, I have a 1 hour commute and have never experienced any of these issues.
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Re: short commute- small flat/bigger place - longer commute?

It's different when you've got a family though, isn't it? For me, as a young, single person, I would WAY prefer a smaller flat and a short commute. But then again I go out most evenings.
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Re: short commute- small flat/bigger place - longer commute?

I agree with 22 yards about the commute issues being very cultural.

I live 20-25 min away from central Lausanne and I feel isolated and much too far from it I'd prefer a smaller place but be in the centre and avoid commuting.
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Old 09.05.2012, 16:35
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It's different when you've got a family though, isn't it? For me, as a young, single person, I would WAY prefer a smaller flat and a short commute. But then again I go out most evenings.
Yes, you are right , when all the Smackerjacks were young we lived in the Country, lots of space for sport,animals etc and Mr S had a 2.5 hr drive every morning.

When they were teenagers they wanted to be where the action was but of course it is a compromise. Living in the city=small rooms, courtyard garden but for us no having to be a taxi service.

Now as they have gone it is great to be in the city - walk to train, walk to shops, restaurants etc.
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Re: short commute- small flat/bigger place - longer commute?

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Generally, I'd say the Swiss concept of commuting is pretty different to the British or Australasian concept.
I'm a Chicagoan - heck, we'll drive 6 hours for a lunch date and think nothing of it. An 1-2 hour commute is typical - or rather, it's what your 30 minute drive along the Eisenhower turns into during rush hour. No big deal.

But commuting here in Switzerland is different, as 22 yards says. I don't know why - the Swiss roads are in better shape, there is less traffic... but somehow, the commute is far more stressful.


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The problem for us has been that even within the 1.5 - 2 hour commute range there are few affordable properties that meet our needs.

I'm not allowed to buy under the BGBB, so that rules out any working farm. The few places I've seen with enough land that are not under the BGBB but still in the Landwirtschafts zone have had such strict restrictions that I could not even put up a secure fence, something on my 'must have' list.

(And given the byzantine bureaucracy surrounding buying in the Landwirtschaft zone - by the time I've tracked down all the various responsible authorities to do due diligence, the property is generally already sold. Obviously I can't work fast enough... or my needs are more complex than many buyers.)

Those even fewer places with enough land that are actually in the Bauzone go for 8 figures, no matter where they are. A tad too pricey for me.

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A recent worry, one that has probably tipped the scales, is the bubble market; prices for a property with enough land 2 hours out rival those of the ZH area. My worry is that properties outside of a traditional commute into the city will likely be the first to be affected when the bubble breaks. Now is not the time to buy, IMHO.

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So for us it's not a question of moving just a bit farther out - rather, it's that in all my years of looking, the kind of property we need has not been available.
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Re: short commute- small flat/bigger place - longer commute?

Until fairly recently I lived in the vineyards above St. Saphorin.The house was completely isolated with no neighbours, no public transport within an hour's walk, and no street lighting BUT I had a beautiful garden and my beautiful dog.
Now I have a big flat in the centre of Lausanne with a magnificent view across the lake to Evian so, yes, I'm lucky BUT my beautiful dog died (and I'm too old to buy another)and absolutely all my balcony plants died this winter, so I'm not as happy here as I was in the middle of nowhere.
What a miserable old ratbag!
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Re: short commute- small flat/bigger place - longer commute?

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No wonder the Swiss react in horror whenever anyone suggests living more than walking distance from their place of work.
I've always lived within walking distance of work here, and usually in the US as well.

I don't want to wast my time commuting, more than 15 minutes is too long!

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I really don't get this 'much more stressful to commute in CH' thing.
What difference does it make if you cross several K/Cantons? Ever commuted in to London via any of the main roads and the M25- variable speed limits, permanent and mobile speed cameras everywhere and then automatic payments to get into central London A total nightmare. And commuting by train, as my sil and daughter do, into the City- is really stressful as trains are constantly late and full to the brim with often no seats available either way for the 1 hour- to 1h30 mins commute The Guildford to London line at Peak times is a nightmare compared to Swiss trains.

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I really don't get this 'much more stressful to commute in CH' thing.
What difference does it make if you cross several K/Cantons? Ever commuted in to London via any of the main roads and the M25- variable speed limits, permanent and mobile speed cameras everywhere and then automatic payments to get into central London A total nightmare. And commuting by train, as my sil and daughter do, into the City- is really stressful as trains are constantly late and full to the brim with often no seats available either way for the 1 hour- to 1h30 mins commute
In the UK I'm right in the middle of London, on the north side of the Thames, whilst my daughter is just across the river on the south side (give or take a couple miles).
It can still sometimes take over an hour for me to get across to her on public transport in the rush hour.
Travelling here in Lausanne is much easier...........except that I haven't much reason to travel
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In the UK I'm right in the middle of London, on the north side of the Thames, whilst my daughter is just across the river on the south side (give or take a couple miles).
It can still sometimes take over an hour for me to get across to her on public transport in the rush hour.
She should come to you. That's why you live north of the river
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I really don't get this 'much more stressful to commute in CH' thing.
let's say you finish work at 6pm. you take 1.5 hours to get home. at 7.30 you get home. all the shops are closed. to the extent anybody was out after work, they probably had their one drink and gone home. so you have no food and no life.

in many other countries, there's still life after 6pm.
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Uggghhhh ... thanking that post ^^^ ... really ... hurt ...

But for once, Phil, I agree with you.

Just keep spawn out of this thread ...
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Re: short commute- small flat/bigger place - longer commute?

Just as an example (I've never been to the house although I've driven past it many a time and have NO links with those people) - here is the sort of thing you can get here for less than 800.


www.villa-la-joux.ch

And there are many others in the 500/600 range. Trains to Neuchatel - then Bern or Yverdon/Lausanne.

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Re: short commute- small flat/bigger place - longer commute?

Long commute and living somewhere fun and enjoyable. I did Chicago to Naperville commute for years, London to Sunbury and Reading, Guangzhou to Zhuhai, etc. Still prefer living in the cities...
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She should come to you. That's why you live north of the river
Except that crossing London in the rush hour with 4 little kids ain't too much fun.
Old grannies are supposed to find it easier.
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