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Hi all,

After living at Freie Strasse for a longer time in Basel i feel that it has now come to an end with parking tickets and expensive rent...

I wonder if anyone knows any nice area around Basel that is close to the nature and easy communication with the tram to the city? Or if anyone know anything about St. Louis in france and how it is to live there?

Thank you in advance!
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There are a few things to consider when looking at where to live in France:

1. How will you commute? Quite a lot of the nicer parts of France are not easy to reach by public transport.
2. Where to do you work? If you work at Novartis, St. Louis is a great choice; if you work elsewhere in the city, it may not be so convenient.
3. Do you want to live in a village? A town?
4. How much time are you prepared to spend commuting?

St. Louis has regular bus service into Basel, but if you're attracted to an area like Freie Strasse, you'll most likely be disappointed with the rather run-down, grubby nature of much of St. Louis. Village Neuf is nicer, but it feels more residential than village, without many shops.

You might also consider Leymen -- the only place in France on the Basel tram system. It's got a nice, small village feel (but it's definitely a 'rural' feeling place).
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There are a few things to consider when looking at where to live in France:

1. How will you commute? Quite a lot of the nicer parts of France are not easy to reach by public transport.
2. Where to do you work? If you work at Novartis, St. Louis is a great choice; if you work elsewhere in the city, it may not be so convenient.
3. Do you want to live in a village? A town?
4. How much time are you prepared to spend commuting?

St. Louis has regular bus service into Basel, but if you're attracted to an area like Freie Strasse, you'll most likely be disappointed with the rather run-down, grubby nature of much of St. Louis. Village Neuf is nicer, but it feels more residential than village, without many shops.

You might also consider Leymen -- the only place in France on the Basel tram system. It's got a nice, small village feel (but it's definitely a 'rural' feeling place).
Thanks for your response,
1. I will go by car but for my wife who doesnt work it would be nice if she could use public transport or in worst case we get another car.
2. I work close to the Novartis
3. A town where there is nice shopping and good fitness center
4. I have no problem to spend 30-40 minutes in a car.

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Another consideration, which has come as a stark reality for the Merck-Serono staff- if that if you live in France, should you become unemployed one day- your unemployment benefits will be very much lower if you live in France.
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I hadn't realized that! Here's an article that sheds more light on unemployment:

http://www.frontalier.org/emploi-sui...mage-total.htm
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Re: Live in France work in Basel

I know a number of people who live in France & work in Basel. Seems to work OK for them but never saw the benefit myself.

Mostly people with children and/or dogs/horses etc. who want a house with land rather than an apartment.
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I know a number of people who live in France & work in Basel. Seems to work OK for them but never saw the benefit myself.

Mostly people with children and/or dogs/horses etc. who want a house with land rather than an apartment.
I only see benefits
Not pay almost 4000chf per month in rent, 500chf parking garage (exluding tickets), shopping wife.

Is there any nice Area in Basel you can recommend?
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Thanks for your response,
1. I will go by car but for my wife who doesnt work it would be nice if she could use public transport or in worst case we get another car.
2. I work close to the Novartis
3. A town where there is nice shopping and good fitness center
4. I have no problem to spend 30-40 minutes in a car.

Thank you in advance
In terms of towns that meet the criteria you've laid out, your choices are really St. Louis (and surrounding areas like Village Neuf) or, if you don't mind the distance, Mulhouse. That would give your wife good public transport options within Mulhouse, but not to Basel.
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all the above are really helpful

Do you have any suggestions for working in Basel and living in Germany?
Would you recommend France or Germany?
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all the above are really helpful

Do you have any suggestions for working in Basel and living in Germany?
Would you recommend France or Germany?
Something to consider when living in Germany would be the German tax system. You would be a so-called "Grenzgaenger" and would have to also file a German tax return every year - requiring almost certainly the assistance of a German tax advisor. A lot of people do this but are usually Germans who know the system anyway. As an expat I would put a lot of thought into it first.
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Something to consider when living in Germany would be the German tax system. You would be a so-called "Grenzgaenger" and would have to also file a German tax return every year - requiring almost certainly the assistance of a German tax advisor. A lot of people do this but are usually Germans who know the system anyway. As an expat I would put a lot of thought into it first.
an apt approach ! thank you! (actually my partner is German, so he would take care of the tax-things)
which city/village would you recommend ?
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an apt approach ! thank you! (actually my partner is German, so he would take care of the tax-things)
which city/village would you recommend ?
You're welcome. Just don't forget, living in Germany would mean that your focal point would be there, meaning that the German state would be expecting you to pay taxes there. At the same time, earnings in Switzerland would be deductible for Social Security etc. (unemployment insurance etc..).

It could still be worth it but would mean a bit of hassle. If your partner is German then he will have no difficulty on reading up the intricacies. There is an excellent German language forum which may be a help, but I won't advertise it here (just PM me if you need the link).

As to where to live? Good question. I have never lived myself in that area before and your partner would be just as good or bad at guessing as I am (if he hasn't been there either before)
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Re: Live in France work in Basel

That is a lot for an apartment in Basel - even Basel city - though Freiestrasse is a prime spot I suppose. We had a 93sqm 3.5 room top floor apartment in Claraplatz with 30sqm balcony for SFr2030 incl. NK. Didn't bother with a car as the tram stop was outside our front door plus all the major shops a stone's throw away. We pay marginally more for a larger place in Zürich - and Basel is much more of a buyer's market.

You'd have to do the sums regarding tax, benefits, health insurance etc to decide where you are better off financially - and experience from friends - singletons, parents with kids, pensioners etc - has varied. i.e. some were better off in France, some better off in Germany, some better off in Basel.

If your social life is Basel-centric then going out for late evenings and getting back to one of the cross-border satellite villages can prove to be a pain. We had friends living in Landser who did a lot of socialising in Basel - so going for a drink in Basel meant one of them was the driver for the evening. Your savings may well be offset by taxi fares in the end.

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