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totally lost my ambitions to survive here.

Hi all,

I am a thai guy, living in switzerland since 3 years. I have married with a swiss guy in year 2007. After making my final decision to abandone a good life in Thailand, I enrolled in one of famous Hotel Management School here in Switzerland, I beleived by that time that I would recieve a better chance to get a better job in this country. After completing the PGd degree, I got a job as a Trainee in ABB group in service department forer 8 months contract. I have done an German Courses B 2 Levele I have been trying hard to get a job in Hotel industry here. It seems to be so hard for me to find a job that suites with my skills..

I am totally lost.. and dont want to give up for this obtacle and set backs..

I just would like to express how i feel here.. I have invested such a lot of money which i saved for the last 10 years for the hotel school here.., ending up a jobless guy...

Thanks..for understanding me..
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Old 21.05.2012, 18:02
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Re: totally lost my ambitions to survive here.

I'm really sorry to hear your so down Banky. It's horrible to pay out so much money and work hard and then not utilize your skills.

I hope when the sun shines again you'll feel an upsurge and that chance that you've been looking for will come your way.

Big hug.
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Old 21.05.2012, 22:35
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Hi all,

I am a thai guy, living in switzerland since 3 years. I have married with a swiss guy in year 2007. After making my final decision to abandone a good life in Thailand, I enrolled in one of famous Hotel Management School here in Switzerland, I beleived by that time that I would recieve a better chance to get a better job in this country. After completing the PGd degree, I got a job as a Trainee in ABB group in service department forer 8 months contract. I have done an German Courses B 2 Levele I have been trying hard to get a job in Hotel industry here. It seems to be so hard for me to find a job that suites with my skills..

I am totally lost.. and dont want to give up for this obtacle and set backs..

I just would like to express how i feel here.. I have invested such a lot of money which i saved for the last 10 years for the hotel school here.., ending up a jobless guy...

Thanks..for understanding me..
Very sorry to hear about your problem. First of all I think that you education-wise are OVERqualified. Second you need practice. And by that I mean that you rather ought to look for a job in a nice restaurant or a pub or a hotel. What you did learn will not go lost. And so, after a while, you either will move UP in the chosen place or find a chance to move up elsewhere. THIS is the road taken also by CH-"natives".
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Old 21.05.2012, 23:08
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Re: totally lost my ambitions to survive here.

When one door closes another door opens; but we so often look so long and so regretfully upon the closed door, that we do not see the ones which open for us When everything seems to be going against you, remember that the airplane takes off against the wind, not with it When you get into a tight place and everything goes against you, till it seems as though you could not hang on a minute longer, never give up then, for that is just the place and time that the tide will turn

“Humble yourselves, therefore, under the mighty hand of God so that at the proper time he may exalt you,casting all your anxieties on him, becausehe cares for you.Be sober-minded;be watchful. Youradversary the devilprowls aroundlike a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour.” ~ Simon Peter; 1 Peter 5:6-8

When you feel like giving up, remember why you held on for so long in the first place
Are you really going to let this defeat you? After all the work, sweat, and tears you have put into this, you are going to give up now?
get up!!!!










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Old 21.05.2012, 23:21
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Re: totally lost my ambitions to survive here.

First of all, congratulations on getting a qualification that is recognised here. As someone whose spent over a year trying to find work with no Swiss-recognised qualifications... everyone tells me it's easier when you have a piece of paper the Swiss like!

And just to let you know you're not alone...

I have a friend who came here intending to do a Hotel management course (something like 11 years ago - she's non-EU and has a C permit in any case). For several years she wasn't able to do so for financial reasons. Then she was loaned the money to do the course. She enrolled, and worked very, very hard. She had several awful work placements (in reputable organisations) She had to present her final presentation 3 times (and this was just as much due to poor explanations of what was expected as to the quality of work she produced). She finally graduated last summer... and has been unable to find a job that in any way uses her skills, or any job at all.

It seems to be a combination of a tough time for the hotel industry and linguistic requirements. Although she's in French-speaking Switzerland and speaks fluent French, plus 3 other languages... no German. I imagine you have a similar issue.

So you're not alone... and I will pass on to you the words of wisdom my social worker gave me. If you meet 70% of the job description, apply for the job. Even if the other 30% includes something that may seem an insurmountable barrier to you (like language skills). Because if you're the right person, either the organisation will find a way to work around your 'missing' skills... or they will find a way to train you in the skills you need. Focus on what you can offer, not what you can't offer (yet).

Keep on trying, keep on applying... and wishing you all the best for the future.
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Re: totally lost my ambitions to survive here.

Don't get discouraged. You were very brave to uproot and come here, made many sacrifices to study and learn and whilst now it may seem somewhat hopeless and sad, something will work out. It always does. Perhaps now is a good time to take a break and put a bit of distance between Switzerland and yourself and go to Thailand for a short visit? Sometimes best ideas come from a distance...Best of luck, Q
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Re: totally lost my ambitions to survive here.

Chok Dee... as a Thai living in CH for 3 years you have already beaten the time frame !!
You actually have an advantage to which many other foreigners do not have, "English" as a second language which is important in the Hotel & Restaurant industry... Have you learned to speak German, French or Italian fluently?
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Hi all,

I am a thai guy, living in switzerland since 3 years. I have married with a swiss guy in year 2007. After making my final decision to abandone a good life in Thailand, I enrolled in one of famous Hotel Management School here in Switzerland, I beleived by that time that I would recieve a better chance to get a better job in this country. After completing the PGd degree, I got a job as a Trainee in ABB group in service department forer 8 months contract. I have done an German Courses B 2 Levele I have been trying hard to get a job in Hotel industry here. It seems to be so hard for me to find a job that suites with my skills..

I am totally lost.. and dont want to give up for this obtacle and set backs..

I just would like to express how i feel here.. I have invested such a lot of money which i saved for the last 10 years for the hotel school here.., ending up a jobless guy...

Thanks..for understanding me..

Bankythai, just to put things in perspective, I know a young Swiss man who also got a degree from a top hotel school in Switzerland. He spoke fluent French, German and English and when he graduated he also had a really tough time finding a good job. Most of what he was offered was nothing better than slave labour or "traineeships" (slave labour under a different name, but it makes the employer feel better).

He ended up taking a good job in another industry....
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Re: totally lost my ambitions to survive here.

The Hotel Industry in Switzerland got a hard time to survive (some will not make it), because many Europeans can't afford the (expensive) Switzerland anymore.
Another reason are the wages the hotel industry ( everyone gets now 13x100% monthly payments( from the start, as I started the first year I got 12.50 monthly payments, the second year was 12.75 monthly payments.......).
The competition here in Zurich gets very tough, new hotels are finished or are in construction /planning,so if the occupancy rate drops by 1 % , the hotel looses a lot of money , which usually goes direct to the account, so they have to save this money at another end of their spendings(wages, rents, ........).
Mostly they save the money through cuts at the human ressources, if somebody
is leaving , the job will not be reoccupied or as late as possible , to save the money.
The most tourists these days come from China or India who will not pay the same rates as business people from Europe/America.
The best example for a tough competition in the hotel industry is Berlin ,Germany:
Too many hotels, discount rates for around 49 €/Night , very low wages for the workers there, very high fluctuation at the workplaces.


I hope , this will not be the case here in Zurich
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There are hotels being built everywhere in Switzerland, some of them massive. so it can't be a bad business - and there must be plenty of job opportunities with each one that opens.
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Re: totally lost my ambitions to survive here.

Bankythai, how about if you enlarge a bit your search-focus ?
You speak different languages, like to travel and have experience in hotel/facility management:
- you could be the perfect candidate as a flight-attendant, with Zurich as your homebase!
Swiss and other carriers like Edelweiss need more flight-attendants. You could even fly-working to your home country if on your schedule , or contact Thai Airways or Singapore Airlines which come to Zurich for other positions at the airport ...

Good luck!
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Re: totally lost my ambitions to survive here.

Dear all,

Good day for all of you. First of all I woule like to thanks you guys to push me up again.. Of course, we sometime could be fall apart or down when we have to encounter the obtacles and set backs... I know, I will definitely not give up to reach my dream. I still love this country, the place for equality, even if I sometime dont feel that way.. I am from the country where people pay more thier respect to the status.. and I do not need that.. that why I decided to leave my country.

Atleast, I know by now that I am now not walking here alone.. I still beleive in Karma... trying hard to be optimistic person as I could..

Not that easy to survive here... I have been trying hard to apply the job in various areas... not only Hotels but also others industries... It seems like you might probably need a relationship with anyone else who could put you through the door of its organisation... I dont see any reasons why German is so essensial in Zurich since most of the guests are the tourists world wide.. Of couse German might be needed to commuicate amongs staffs.. I took many german courses and could understand it quiet very well.. I have now no cues at all.. what I shall do.. I dont want to sit at home.. begging money from my partner.. Can you imagine?.. A guy like me who has worked hard for the last 15 years... I want to use my brain.. my skills.. but... still noone could give me an opportunity to be shine here..
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Re: totally lost my ambitions to survive here.

The above is a good post for the "trailing spouses" thread! Lots of people with common feelings, especially the "A guy like me who has worked hard for the last 15 years... I want to use my brain.. my skills.. but... still noone could give me an opportunity to be shine here" bit.

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