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it seems to me that in Italy there is an excesive care for fashion and appearance, in the detriment of other (more important) things
Such as?

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it seems to me that in Italy there is an excesive care for fashion and appearance, in the detriment of other (more important) things.
Such as?
Well, I think it's safe to rule out food and drink...

(What does that leave?)
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Old 25.05.2012, 09:48
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Re: Are Swiss girls materialistic?

OK, guys. You're making this more complicated than it is.

Women just want to be loved. Some want to be loved by someone from the same culture and some don't care. And some don't want to be loved by a man at all.

Maybe women aren't banging down your door. Guess what? Women aren't banging on 90% of other mens' doors either.

Be yourself. Live your life in a way that isn't a turn off to others and be patient. And make friends. Seriously. Good friends will help you get through anything.
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Well, I think it's safe to rule out food and drink...

(What does that leave?)
(Hmm. Speaking only from my recent experience: being a bit more polite. Not shouting racial slur in the street. But that is off topic and I don't want to insist on it, so please, let's just drop it )

Anyhow, my point is, it is just silly this obsession for fashion - and I certainly do not feel bad, nor do I want to hide under a rock, for not having it. Honestly.
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Why would you mention the words 'arab' and 'black' then Mr. Not Racist?? Last I checked, those were racial descriptors.
Sh*t. Then I must be racist as I thought "black" was the correct descriptor. I believed that "coloured" was now considered the wrong word.

Can someone enlighten me as to the correct descriptor so I don't offend anyone?

I can see it now...

Me: You remember Harry right?
Friend: Who? What does he look like?
Me: Oh you know, tall, bla....(pause), um.....he works for UBS, my sort of age
Friend: Oh the black guy. Yeah I know him
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Old 25.05.2012, 10:07
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Re: Are Swiss girls materialistic?

When you say you wouldn't date a black woman because of difference in culture, you assume that a bla k woman sitting in the corner there is from that culture you block out. But you see, that black woman is from London, born and raised and has the same culture as you. But you cut her off because you assume she has a different culture than you because, wait for it..... She is black. So you do a connection from her skin color to her "possible" culture.

That's racism.
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Old 25.05.2012, 10:30
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Re: Are Swiss girls materialistic?

We're talking about love here, not racism.

If a man isn't attracted to me because I'm older than him, is he discriminating against age?

If a man isn't attracted to me because I'm shorter, is he discriminating because of height?

If a man isn't attracted to me because I'm more intelligent, is he discriminating because of IQ?

If a man isn't attracted to me because I'm flat chested, is he discriminating against my lack of curves?

If a man isn't attracted to me because I'm white, is he discriminating against me because of my color?

If a man isn't attracted to me because I'm American, is he discriminating against me because of my nationality?

There are LOTS of reasons why men aren't attracted to me in a passionate way. This happens to all of us. Heck, I'm not attracted to most men either. Too picky. Or the vibes aren't there. Or his smell doesn't tingle my longing. Who knows in the end what it is that leads to a love affair? It just happens. It doesn't mean these men are somehow inferior to me though. And it doesn't mean that I wouldn't adore them as a good friend because I do.
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If a man isn't attracted to me because I'm short, is he discriminating because of height?
No but he is probably a smurf.


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If a man isn't attracted to me because I'm flat chested, is he discriminating against my lack of curves?
Come again.....so you are not short either?
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Old 25.05.2012, 10:55
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We're talking about love here, not racism.

If a man isn't attracted to me because I'm older than him, is he discriminating against age?

If a man isn't attracted to me because I'm shorter, is he discriminating because of height?

If a man isn't attracted to me because I'm more intelligent, is he discriminating because of IQ?

If a man isn't attracted to me because I'm flat chested, is he discriminating against my lack of curves?

If a man isn't attracted to me because I'm white, is he discriminating against me because of my color?

If a man isn't attracted to me because I'm American, is he discriminating against me because of my nationality?

There are LOTS of reasons why men aren't attracted to me in a passionate way. This happens to all of us. Heck, I'm not attracted to most men either. Too picky. Or the vibes aren't there. Or his smell doesn't tingle my longing. Who knows in the end what it is that leads to a love affair? It just happens. It doesn't mean these men are somehow inferior to me though. And it doesn't mean that I wouldn't adore them as a good friend because I do.
To eliminate every women of a specific color based on the possible culture connected to it, is.
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Apparently, what with modern technology and all, Arab and black women can live and even be born in many countries across the world. Not every black person comes from Blackland, that place with different appreciations to yours.
See, EF, it's possible to point out limitations in reasoning with simple humor without resorting to histrionic outrage.

Oliver Jones explained himself sufficiently, drop it people, it's like you're looking for something to get mad about.
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Old 25.05.2012, 11:03
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To eliminate every women of a specific color based on the possible culture connected to it, is.
No, it's not. When it comes to love, it's just a matter of taste. And everyone has a right to that.
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Re: Are Swiss girls materialistic?

The topic under discussion was Are Swiss girls materialistic?

Can we get away from all the racist stuff?

Personally I find it ridiculous that some people decide they have the right to attack people whom have differing opinions. If someone has differing beliefs why do they need to be attacked & told they are racist? Is this because we have imported from the US melting pot the so called political correctness? To attack a confessed racist is to prolong and widen the hateful statements. Better to just think to yourself, "I disagree with that one, I feel uncomfortable, I'll just ignore it him or her"

Are Swiss girls materialistic? After reflection, I don't think they are more materialistic than any other European nationality. The young Swiss have simply more spending power, better wages and lower taxes. If you visit other cities there are exactly the same shops selling exactly the same stuff, but here many seem to choose more expensive boring clothes.
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To eliminate every women of a specific color based on the possible culture connected to it, is.
Fixed that for you.

Regardless of how popular and widespread the practice, neither cultural preference nor even cultural bigotry are by definition necessary elements of racism. It is a logical fallacy (and an unnecessary blurring of category distinctions) to unequivocally extend the definition of racism to require some cultural aspect.
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No, it's not. When it comes to love, it's just a matter of taste. And everyone has a right to that.
I disagree!

If it is based on love and not rationality based on culture preferences, I wouldn't have felt in love with my Muslim, caramel husband. Why it happened? Because I didn't cut off his culture out.

I am white, I meet Oliver. He has no idea what is my background other than i am white and from Canada. He finds me interesting, I am mostly fitting his criterias. Few dates later, he finds out I am Muslim! The shit hits the fan. He doesn't want a Muslim girl and he thought the whity girl from Canada was all clear..

What's next? Break the prejudice or walk away?

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The topic under discussion was Are Swiss girls materialistic?

Can we get away from all the racist stuff?

Personally I find it ridiculous that some people decide they have the right to attack people whom have differing opinions. If someone has differing beliefs why do they need to be attacked & told they are racist? Is this because we have imported from the US melting pot the so called political correctness? To attack a confessed racist is to prolong and widen the hateful statements. Better to just think to yourself, "I disagree with that one, I feel uncomfortable, I'll just ignore it him or her"

Are Swiss girls materialistic? After reflection, I don't think they are more materialistic than any other European nationality. The young Swiss have simply more spending power, better wages and lower taxes. If you visit other cities there are exactly the same shops selling exactly the same stuff, but here many seem to choose more expensive boring clothes.
You are right. There is no point to expose it more.
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After having seen the neighboring countries like Germany, France, Austria & Holland, I don't think that the swiss dress up more or better than the other parts of the world
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See, EF, it's possible to point out limitations in reasoning with simple humor
Simple???
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Simple???
If the cap fits......
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Re: Are Swiss girls materialistic?

Oliver Jones saying that he steers clear of certain women because of their race (black) or perceived cultural belonging (arab) smacks so much of discrimination but, of course, many just try to hide it behind the 'not my type' excuse. There are certain closet racists in here and you can tell who they are. Shame on you!
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Oliver Jones saying that he steers clear of certain women because of their race (black) or perceived cultural belonging (arab) smacks so much of discrimination but, of course, many just try to hide it behind the 'not my type' excuse. There are certain closet racists in here and you can tell who they are. Shame on you!
You know what? Maybe, just maybe, he's doing them a favour, have you thought about that?
Now really, shouldn't we all be entitled to certain preferences? I don't think that could be racism. I do think though, that this kind of perception of those women as having different mindset could lead to real racist attitudes - I won't hire this black or Arab woman, 'cause how on earth could she be good in this profession, or how on earth could be her education on par with mine, or how could she understand what we(Westerners)'re talking about here. I don't say he would do that, I only try to sugest that people having "certain perceptions" of different "cultures" do frequently have the same perceptions re. much more aspects than their sentimental life.
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