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Variety of English bookshops....riiiiiiight.

You do sound like a very cosmopolitan person ready to go out your ways and explore and blend in with the local culture though.

Pity it'll only work in an English-speaking country.

I do try to learn about the culture here and have settled in quite well. I am taking the B2 exam this month, work in a Swiss environment, and have a nice mix of friends. Above all, I am here for my lovely Swiss husband. I didn't write this as a complaint, just was curious to hear people's opinions.

With regard to English books, I am a bookworm and need to hold a book. I love it! And I miss Charing Cross Road

I also want to state that I definitely don't take clean water, personal and religious freedom, and safety for granted. Everywhere I have lived in my life has been beautiful and safe, and I am very very lucky.
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Thing is the reality to me is Switzerland isn't actually that great I now appreciate the UK more having come here.
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With regard to English books, I am a bookworm and need to hold a book. I love it! And I miss Charing Cross Road

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For English-language bookworms!!!
Come to the Summer Book Sale this Saturday 2nd June 09:00-15:00 at St Andrew's Church Community Centre, Promenadengasse 9, 8001 Zurich. Tram to Kunsthaus. Tea, coffee and light refreshments.
If I remember rightly, you can fill a carrier bag with books for CHF40
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For English-language bookworms!!!
Come to the Summer Book Sale this Saturday 2nd June 09:00-15:00 at St Andrew's Church Community Centre, Promenadengasse 9, 8001 Zurich. Tram to Kunsthaus. Tea, coffee and light refreshments.
If I remember rightly, you can fill a carrier bag with books for CHF40
Noooo, I will not be here! Actually, I will be in London

Do you have this more than once a year? I will definitely come to the next one.
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Shortly after I arrived in Saigon in the late 1990's, which is called Ho Chi Minh City now (both really depending on who one talks to), I went to the customs to collect my bag which arrived and was full of books. The zipper had been fiddled with and didn't work any more. All the books were still there, nothing missing. But I was told later that it was almost a cirtainty that the books had been photocopied and then put back in the bag. The black market operators did this and then sold the books in photocopied form. Anyway the point is back then it was difficult to get books into Saigon and the book shops in Saigon were basicaly a joke. No 'free thinking ' type books at all.

I remember as well seeing the secret police beating people in broad daylight in busy areas. The Police also checked up on my wife and me at home and 'checked' the house too. The rental and utilities bills were also three times what the locals paid. Although I didn't realy have a problem with that one as the locals paid a fraction of what we westerners pay even in our cheaper cities.

My wife was in Saigon for several years and was lucky enough to get to know a few locals very well. As a result we got to see the real Vietnam which was both fascinating and depressing.

One of my wife's Vietnamese friends travelled to Sydney to attend our wedding and I can say that the bureaucracy we had to overcome to get a passport and exit visa was amazing.

Democracy may not be the best solution but it beats communism which only works well on paper.
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Noooo, I will not be here! Actually, I will be in London

Do you have this more than once a year? I will definitely come to the next one.
Yes, there is also a big pre-Christmas Bazaar every year, around second weekend in November, not just books but lots of great things.
I will post it on EF later in the year or do check www.standrewszurich.org in a few months time!
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Yes, there is also a big pre-Christmas Bazaar every year, around second weekend in November, not just books but lots of great things.
I will post it on EF later in the year or do check www.standrewszurich.org in a few months time!
Great, I will write it in my calendar!

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I'm quite surprised by some of the comments on here I've been in Zurich for just over two weeks and where my appartment is all I've heard is Police Sirens. Not to mention the graffiti and fact there are cigarette butts everywhere even though the appropriate bins are provided. Am I not seeing the real Switzerland?
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Heh,

What you see IS Switzerland, but what you think of is a postcard picture...

It takes time to adapt to reality...
TBF, what s/he is seeing is one little part of Zurich. I'd suggest that anyone who equates Zurich with Switzerland needs to get out (of Zurich) more.

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Thing is the reality to me is Switzerland isn't actually that great I now appreciate the UK more having come here.
Wow. Coming here had the opposite effect on me, and opened my eyes to what a shithole the UK had become. Or maybe had always been, I'm not sure. In any case it was like the blinkers had been removed and I could see clearly for the first time how a real civilised society could work.

Having not lived in Zurich I don't know if what is described is typical, but I seriously urge you to think about moving out into Switzerland proper before settling on this impression.
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TBF, what s/he is seeing is one little part of Zurich. I'd suggest that anyone who equates Zurich with Switzerland needs to get out (of Zurich) more.
But Zurich is part of Switzerland none the less, I would just like to know why it is classed as a higher standard of living when I yet to see anything that makes it stand out above other countries. When I worked in Gothenburg I will admit to being impressed by the cleanliness of the streets and efficiency of the transport and the flexibility the Swede's have in relation to the work/life balance they have.
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Re: What is a high standard of living?

Speaking of books, A high standard of living to me is (well, beside the clean water that doesn't smell like a swimming pool, freedom, and not having kids sleeping in your entry way) a postal service that actually works!! Then I can order my books or whatever.
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Thing is the reality to me is Switzerland isn't actually that great I now appreciate the UK more having come here.
So did you also live in the UK for only 2 weeks as well?
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I stayed in Nassau for 2 weeks once, 4 star hotel, drinks by the pool, snorkeling all day long. Warm water, and sand as far as the eye can see. Based on that 2 week analogy I would have to say that Nassau has the highest standard of living in the entire universe. It felt like I was living a vacation! Then I got out of my 2km radius, and...
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So did you also live in the UK for only 2 weeks as well?
lol very funny looks like I'm going to be here till April, it seems that everyone raves about Switzerland being so much better than the UK and I've yet to find that to be the case.
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lol very funny looks like I'm going to be here till April, it seems that everyone raves about Switzerland being so much better than the UK and I've yet to find that to be the case.
I can't compare it to the UK because, the most I have ever been there is a week. But I don't see how anyone can say they have truly lived somewhere in 2 weeks time. I mean even if you have been sleeping a different night in a different town the whole time you have been here, in that amount of time you can't really make a judgment on what life is like here.
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No you can't but first impressions do count for something not to mention I'm sure my opinion will change somewhat the more I time I spend here, suffice to say I'm entitled to my opinion and what is all the fuss about Switzerland from. Please entlighten me
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Where are you in the UK, Salford, Bradford, Luton, Stoke-on-Trent, Coalville?

Or SW London, Bath, Dartmouth, Cambridge?

There is no 'one Switzerland, just as there is no 'one UK' or 'one US'.
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No you can't but first impressions do count for something not to mention I'm sure my opinion will change somewhat the more I time I spend here, suffice to say I'm entitled to my opinion and what is all the fuss about Switzerland from. Please entlighten me
Its cleaner (compare Zurich to London)
Its safer, less crime, less drunk 13 year olds hanging out in the park
Lower unemployment, lower taxes but better infrastructure (roads/ rail as e.g.)
Better weather. Winter sports on your doorstep. Better pay.

I LOVED my 5 years living in the UK BUT I would never go back and try to raise a family. I was in my late 20s and the economy was better and the partying was fun.

I know a load of Brits and haven't seen too many keen to run back to England. Most love it here and see the advantages.

Switzerland may not be for you. The language and culture are different and not for everyone but it does have a lot of people raving for some very real reasons.
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Cardiff to be exact or should I say I was
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Its cleaner (compare Zurich to London)
Its safer, less crime, less drunk 13 year olds hanging out in the park
Lower unemployment, lower taxes but better infrastructure (roads/ rail as e.g.)
Better weather. Winter sports on your doorstep. Better pay.

I LOVED my 5 years living in the UK BUT I would never go back and try to raise a family. I was in my late 20s and the economy was better and the partying was fun.

I know a load of Brits and haven't seen too many keen to run back to England. Most love it here and see the advantages.

Switzerland may not be for you. The language and culture are different and not for everyone but it does have a lot of people raving for some very real reasons.
Cleaner than London maybe, safer in reality I'm not so sure seeing as most evening I hear sirens and I live just off Kalkbritestrasse in Zurich.

On the lower taxes part I'd say yes but then it's still questionable as I still payout 35% of my income here before I even physically spend a CHF.

Different indeed things are closed sundays and relatively early on other days.
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There is no 'one Switzerland, just as there is no 'one UK' or 'one US'.
The US is massive and each state is more or less separate and as for the UK you're right as it's a collection of different countries
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