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Old 06.06.2012, 14:36
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Re: Troubles with Louis Vuitton for a gift...

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everyone knows fakes are illegal, so why risk sending them via post???
I didn't...

I find this whole discussion totally fascinating and ridiculous at the same time.

What if someone already had a fake (whatever) bag/watch/other item - can the police stop you and charge you for it?
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Re: Troubles with Louis Vuitton for a gift...

The sad part is that most likely the fakes and 'the real' LV bags are made in the same Chinese factory. And the production cost of the real bags is a tiny fraction of what they LV charges for them.
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Old 06.06.2012, 14:40
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Do you want to lie about that in front of a judge?
Would you deposit an affidavit under
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You can't be compelled to say anything! The court has to have a case, unless you admit to something !
they don't have a case unless they search the OP' s computer & find what was posted here....

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Old 06.06.2012, 14:41
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I didn't...

I find this whole discussion totally fascinating and ridiculous at the same time.

What if someone already had a fake (whatever) bag/watch/other item - can the police stop you and charge you for it?
Yes they can it's illegal to have one in CH.
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Old 06.06.2012, 14:42
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Re: Troubles with Louis Vuitton for a gift...

There are factories in China that are stealing designs and styles devised by a large and well trust brands.

What is the point of these fakes?
1. To make money for the faker
2. To con innocent buyers into thinking they are getting the real thing
3. If not 2. Then for buyers to show off making their friends think they have a really expensive bag.
4. To destroy the hard work and enterprise of Companies that built up business on such brands.

You may not approve of LV's and the Swiss customers tactics. You may think it fair to cheat legitimate businesses. But The OP received what is in effect stolen goods...
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Old 06.06.2012, 14:42
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Re: Troubles with Louis Vuitton for a gift...

Not too mention the poor dupes who thought they'd bought something geuine. While this is prob not the case here, if fakes are so easy to purchase in HK, I can see why someone would not see a problem in sending it elsewhere. Even then, the recipient is not the criminal.

The OP simply has had no chance to prove their innocence, and LV is using legal threats in the hope of shutting them up.
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Old 06.06.2012, 14:43
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You may not approve of LV's and the Swiss customers tactics. You may think it fair to cheat legitimate businesses. But The OP received what is in effect stolen goods...
The OP didn't receive it.
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Old 06.06.2012, 14:48
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How can people be ok with this? LV are trying to rob the OP of 900chf for not receiving a parcel, the crime was commited by someone else. What crime has she commited, it's def not receiving stolen goods or anything, because she didn't receive it.

My guess is that LV just hands cases like these to some shady debt collectors who use intimidation to extract money.
Exactly! How easy is that! The neightbours next door piss me off, I order a fake LV with her address and have a laugh!!



now, they have to prove the op did order it, otherwise they have no case!
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Re: Troubles with Louis Vuitton for a gift...

Dear OP,

Don't you have a legal insurance? Ask them.
They will tell you what to do.
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Old 06.06.2012, 14:50
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Re: Troubles with Louis Vuitton for a gift...

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The OP didn't receive it.
That's the point that bothers me - the recepient does not get a chance to accept or deny the receipt of the shipment.

For me a fundamental part of being guilty / establishing guilt.

Then again, how often does one receive fake designer goods in the post without being aware of it...
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Old 06.06.2012, 14:52
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The OP simply has had no chance to prove their innocence, and LV is using legal threats in the hope of shutting them up.
Under Swiss law one does not have to prove innocence , they have to prove guilt.

Just say you are not involved & refuse to answer any further questions .

Btw legal insurance will probably exclude criminal acts!
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Old 06.06.2012, 14:53
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Not too mention the poor dupes who thought they'd bought something geuine. While this is prob not the case here, if fakes are so easy to purchase in HK, I can see why someone would not see a problem in sending it elsewhere. Even then, the recipient is not the criminal.

The OP simply has had no chance to prove their innocence, and LV is using legal threats in the hope of shutting them up.

real LV bag 1000chf One from hong kong $20 hmmm I wonder is people really get duped into thinking its real.
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Old 06.06.2012, 14:58
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Re: Troubles with Louis Vuitton for a gift...

I'm not defending LV by the way, but I can totally understand why they are doing it, every other woman in zurich seems to carry a LV product, including school girls, I can't believe they are all real, so the luxury brand is being diluted down to nothing
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real LV bag 1000chf One from hong kong $20 hmmm I wonder is people really get duped into thinking its real.
So a gag gift, like getting a fake rolex, still not exactly master criminal.

The OP is innocent until proven guilty, not the other way round.
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Old 06.06.2012, 15:00
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A cousin who lives permanently in Hong Kong sent a Louis Vuitton bag (a copy) to me by post. Parcel was stopped by customs and they informed LV Switzerland. Now LV sent a letter asking 900 chf, or they will go ``further``.
The good thing is that I did not admit waiting a parcel, I denied having ordered something like that.
What you haven't said is whether you asked your cousin to send it to you or was it something like a surprise birthday present wrapped in "Happy Birthday" paper with a note saying, "Happy Birthday, My lovely cousin".

i.e. were you intentionally planning to handle counterfeit goods or was it genuinely a surprise?
(Ignorance of the law is not an excuse).
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real LV bag 1000chf One from hong kong $20 hmmm I wonder is people really get duped into thinking its real.
Not all fake are made of cheap plastic, many are from the same material, same quality and cost way much more than 20$
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Exactly! How easy is that! The neightbours next door piss me off, I order a fake LV with her address and have a laugh!!



now, they have to prove the op did order it, otherwise they have no case!
That's true! I wish to reward you for once saying something with sense.

What is your address?
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Old 06.06.2012, 15:07
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That's true! I wish to reward you for once saying something with sense.

What is your address?
Well, for once you used your.....forget it!

You can't afford to send me a gift!
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Old 06.06.2012, 15:20
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Re: Troubles with Louis Vuitton for a gift...

I would like to remind those people who find the current status-quo regarding the enforcement of intellectual property law not very funny, that all these laws get mostly made by democratically elected governments.
Next time you can vote, remember this thread.
Most certainly, you can also vote while not living in your home-country.
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Old 06.06.2012, 15:31
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Re: Troubles with Louis Vuitton for a gift...

I'm sure I read something about the Italian police stopping people at the borders and fining them / confiscating any counterfeit goods so its not just here you get in trouble for it..
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