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Old 06.06.2012, 16:45
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Re: Troubles with Louis Vuitton for a gift...

ffs try to keep it a little on topic

blood diamonds, child labour, desginers taking pictures

all totally irrelevant and in no way helpful, go start your own threads
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Old 06.06.2012, 16:47
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Yeah, a 20 dollar fake rolex, I'm sure that's on the same level as what you were implying. That totally justifies companies shaking down anyone they please.
I'm not condoning the actions of LV here in Switzerland. TBH, they should be out of the loop (apart from proving or disproving authenticity).
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Old 06.06.2012, 16:53
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Re: Troubles with Louis Vuitton for a gift...

I don't really doubt the OPs story, but I can see how others would, that in no way justifies LV shaking them down with no evidence whatsoever, especially that as far as I can see, by the parcel being seized by customs, there was no attempt to see if the OP was guilty of anything except receiving a parcel.
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Old 06.06.2012, 17:06
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A cousin who lives permanently in Hong Kong sent a Louis Vuitton bag (a copy) to me by post. Parcel was stopped by customs and they informed LV Switzerland. Now LV sent a letter asking 900 chf, or they will go ``further``.
The good thing is that I did not admit waiting a parcel, I denied having ordered something like that. On the parcel there is no sender. Only my address on it. Can LV press charges with only the recipients name on the parcel?
Should I pay what they ask? Do they really have a case, since this item was never in my possession??
Where should I look for a cheap legal support.??
Thanks in advance
Am I missing something here? The OP says that she did not admit to waiting for the parcel but obviously knew what was in it.

The parcel had no address on it from the sender - most people put an address on a parcel in case it is lost - so did the cousin send this knowing that it could be stopped?

If she did not know the parcel was coming - did she only then contact the cousin to find the contents only after she had the demand from LV?

Mmmm - more to this me thinks
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There are Chinese sweat-shops in Italy (with Chinese workers, of course) that produce "Made in Italy" stuff.
So, it's most likely genuine, but you shouldn't believe it wasn't produced in a sweat-shop just because of the label...

http://www.google.ch/search?q=chinese+sweat+shops+italy
That's exactly what I am saying, the labels can not be trusted!
I used Italy because I knew of a particular case when the seller had replace labels and put Italy although it was made in India...
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Old 06.06.2012, 17:15
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Am I missing something here? The OP says that she did not admit to waiting for the parcel but obviously knew what was in it.

The parcel had no address on it from the sender - most people put an address on a parcel in case it is lost - so did the cousin send this knowing that it could be stopped?

If she did not know the parcel was coming - did she only then contact the cousin to find the contents only after she had the demand from LV?

Mmmm - more to this me thinks
That's what I thought. The OP's wording was a bit strange:
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The good thing is that I did not admit waiting a parcel, I denied having ordered something like that. On the parcel there is no sender. Only my address on it.
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The good thing is that I did not know a parcel had been sent, so I could deny having ordered it. On the parcel there is no sender. Only my address on it.
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ffs try to keep it a little on topic

blood diamonds, child labour, desginers taking pictures

all totally irrelevant and in no way helpful, go start your own threads
Someone mentioned about ethics and moral values regarding "fake stuff". We mentioned that it was common practice in many other "legitimate businesses".
Also we were told about "the moral hypocrisy or plain ignorance of some of the people on this forum" related to that topic.

We have proven that many more people should be classified as moral hypocrite and ignorant based on the facts I gave in my example.
So I don't see why it's so "off-topic".
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Old 06.06.2012, 17:56
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Re: Troubles with Louis Vuitton for a gift...

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The law's the law.
Based on this, let's pass the news to all our EF fellas so they can start asking for fakes in Asia to be sent to their neighbors that complain about noises, cat, dogs, you name it!


PS: just kidding, just in case.
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The sad part is that most likely the fakes and 'the real' LV bags are made in the same Chinese factory. And the production cost of the real bags is a tiny fraction of what they LV charges for them.
I dimly recall reading a reportage on fakes (many, many, years ago) where it was claimed that by day the workforce laboured officially for a company in an Asian country making items for a well known luxury goods brand. The employees then knocked off at the end of the day, and many came back later and - using the same patterns and machines - made "fake" versions of what they were officially making during the day (they may have even been using the same material?) which were sold in the local markets as "fakes". Although how "fake" they may have been is open to debate.. (and I have also heard/read that, in some cases with some products, the "fakes" are actually of better quality than the "real" ones). But how true this is, I don't know, it may be just an Urban myth.

I think that in this case LV is being unreasonable. Knowingly bringing in a fake (or worse a whole suitcase full of fakes) is one thing, but being on the receiving end of a parcel that was never delivered is something else. Surely effort would be better spent going after the maker of such fakes?
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Old 06.06.2012, 18:13
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No its not crazy. Its perfectly simple. Fakes are illegal here. You got sent a fake. It got stopped. They have your address. They will go after you. There is no point coming after you after you got the item. Its much simpler never to give it to you in the first place

I have posted you 1000 kilos of cocaine. You now know its coming, but its too late.

You are screwed!

I will send soap tomorrow for your time to be spent
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If you did not receive the parcel how did you know it had no return address on it, how did you know who sent it?? Had your cousin told you that she/he would send it? You denied ordering it, but why would you know what it was.

I feel there is more to this than we have been told. But I do agree that LV are trying it on and if you simply deny all knowledge and state the truth(?): you didn't order it and by coincidence your cousin also happens to be a permanent resident of HK, it's possible the case might be dropped.

Legal support, even "cheap legal support", is likely to be more than the fine - and their advice might be to pay it anyway...
Thank you all for your answers.
I received a letter from the customs. In this letter it was written that there was a parcel for me with unknown sender (no address on the parcel). There was a detailed description of the parcel and also they included the letter sent from customs to LV.
I have the feeling that there is no case. This letter is probably sent from LV to all people who are caught to carry LV products that are not genuine.
Now lets suppose that they take me to court. What are they going to say? Apart from that, and before the trial, I might send to LVs Lawyer an anonymous parcel with fake LV wallets... Would he then press charges against himself????? This is all crap. They have nothing to go for a trial.... At least this is how I see it...
And something for last. If for any reason you are caught with a fake LV product, then for sure you are going to pay for this.... This is much more different from my case... I had nothing in my possession....
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Old 06.06.2012, 18:44
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The law's the law.
That's fine if SHE brought it in with here say after going on a trip. This item was sent to her by someone else. As Sbrinz says, what if I sent you a lovely present and it was a fake. I don't think you'd be happy having to pay up CHF900 (!) for my thoughtful gift.
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That's fine if SHE brought it in with here say after going on a trip. This item was sent to her by someone else. As Sbrinz says, what if I sent you a lovely present and it was a fake
It wouldn't be that lovely then. I'd think cheapskate.
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Re: Troubles with Louis Vuitton for a gift...

Actually if you are stopped in France and are carrying a fake under French law you can be fined up to €200,000 so CHF900 is fairly cheap. Furthermore if you are non european you are only allowed to buy 2 articles from Hermes and 2 articles from LV unless you live in Europe itself at any one time. I used to live in Paris and when travelling back home to NZ I would see them opening all the suitcases of these poor little crying Japanese girls who would have to choose which bags/wallets to keep with no recompense. They want to protect their industry, hard but fair. I would just pay up and be quiet or you will have problems at a later date eg: when renewing your visa etc as everything goes on that file...
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Re: Troubles with Louis Vuitton for a gift...

So now are going to ignore them or say something to customs? Let us know how it goes!
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Old 06.06.2012, 18:50
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Thank you all for your answers.
I received a letter from the customs. In this letter it was written that there was a parcel for me with unknown sender (no address on the parcel). There was a detailed description of the parcel and also they included the letter sent from customs to LV.
I have the feeling that there is no case. This letter is probably sent from LV to all people who are caught to carry LV products that are not genuine.
Now lets suppose that they take me to court. What are they going to say? Apart from that, and before the trial, I might send to LVs Lawyer an anonymous parcel with fake LV wallets... Would he then press charges against himself????? This is all crap. They have nothing to go for a trial.... At least this is how I see it...
And something for last. If for any reason you are caught with a fake LV product, then for sure you are going to pay for this.... This is much more different from my case... I had nothing in my possession....
If that's the case then why not get your cousin in HK to write a letter confirming that he set you a fake LV bag as a gift and you had no idea he was doing this. He could probably get the letter stamped an certified with an official stamp from a lawyer quite cheaply in HK.

You could send that letter to LV.
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It wouldn't be that lovely then. I'd think cheapskate.
Sorry. It's all I can afford! J/K

I don't agree with fakes. I just don't think it's right to punish someone for someone else actions. If I brought it in, Ok, I'm in trouble. If I send it to you thinking I'm give you a nice present, I don't agree that you should have to pay the fine, especially from a company! Not even the courts. I didn't read the links. But are companies now given the authority to punish crimes???

That's all. Again, nothing to do with if I agree fakes are OK or not.
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Re: Troubles with Louis Vuitton for a gift...

Isn't it balckmail when you've caught someone in a dubious moral position and the victim thinks that even though they might be innocent, no one will believe them?

If you have a case, there should be action against LV for this dubious ethical behaviour, they have no right to accuse people of being criminals without evidence.
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Old 06.06.2012, 19:08
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Maybe customs think that the OP ordered the bag.
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Old 06.06.2012, 19:11
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Isn't it balckmail when you've caught someone in a dubious moral position and the victim thinks that even though they might be innocent, no one will believe them?

If you have a case, there should be action against LV for this dubious ethical behaviour, they have no right to accuse people of being criminals without evidence.
Nonsense. There is reasonable evidence for them to suspect the OP - he/she was the intended recipient of counterfeit goods. Sufficient to prove guilt is, of course, something else, and can only be legally determined in court. They are certainly within their rights, and IMHO within reason, to suspect the OP of an attempt to import counterfeit goods.

Whether the extortion attempt is is ethical or not is a different story.
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