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Old 07.06.2012, 12:12
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Re: Troubles with Louis Vuitton for a gift...

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I strongly disagree with all those saying to just pay up. It's stupid.

I will be in HK in a few weeks and I'm going to mail you all fake LV walets and handbags. Hah. I'll cut a deal with LV to split the money 50/50. But don't worry; the extacy tablets will cheer you up in my next parcel.
Are they fake Ecstasy tabs, then? Just wondrin' how many you could get hold of...
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Old 07.06.2012, 12:41
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Re: Troubles with Louis Vuitton for a gift...

Just a bit of a clarification on this issue. We are talking about trademark infringement and not copyright infringement.
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Old 07.06.2012, 13:01
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Just a bit of a clarification on this issue. We are talking about trademark infringement and not copyright infringement.
Good Point!

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Old 07.06.2012, 13:38
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Just a bit of a clarification on this issue. We are talking about trademark infringement and not copyright infringement.
Both are enforceable rights.
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Old 07.06.2012, 14:07
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Good Point!

Is that Phil in the blue?
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Are they fake Ecstasy tabs, then? Just wondrin' how many you could get hold of...
I think you're buggered anyway you look at it.....if they're fake then you're guilty of counterfeiting (even if you didn't ask for them or know they were being sent to you), and if they are genuine you are guilty of drug importation. The question is, if they are fake, do the authorities notify the local drug dealers who then send you a letter demanding payment not to come round and beat you up?
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Old 07.06.2012, 14:31
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Both are enforceable rights.
Did I say they weren't/one wasn't?

They are different rights and frankly I don't think trademark infringement stifles creativity. (not that I agree with TM infringement)

You can't copyright a handbag.
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Re: Troubles with Louis Vuitton for a gift...

I am amazed at all the people who suggest to pay up the 900chf. The threat from LV is just spam and should be treated like so.
Wasn't it in the UK where some law office started sending out these " pay the penalty or be prosecuted " letters for illegal downloading. Until someone challenged it and it was deemed unlawful.?
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Re: Troubles with Louis Vuitton for a gift...

i'm sure your cousin knew it was a fake based on how much they paid for it...

so if you end up having to pay the fine- i say make your cousin foot that bill for putting you in this mess
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Old 07.06.2012, 15:37
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Re: Troubles with Louis Vuitton for a gift...

It was not a random anonymous person sending her/him a fake bag from HK, it was a cousin, a family member you know? There is a real link between two persons from the same family, making comparisons with a neighbour sending you a bag and other random stuff is totally pointless.

But what I find more amazing is that there actually is people in here defending the OP.

One of the reasons Switzerland is doing not so bad right now is its luxury goods industry and specially watches. Tens of thousands of employees and many more if you count indirect benefits from having a good export base depend on people from all over the world buying expensive Swiss products, fortunately those persons from other countries have higher moral standards than those in here who defend counterfeited goods. I seriously wished you worked in a company whose revenue depended on selling this kind of goods, I'd love to hear your opinion then.
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Old 07.06.2012, 15:51
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i'm sure your cousin knew it was a fake based on how much they paid for it...

so if you end up having to pay the fine- i say make your cousin foot that bill for putting you in this mess
The problem is it's not illegal in the cousin's country.


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It was not a random anonymous person sending her/him a fake bag from HK, it was a cousin, a family member you know? There is a real link between two persons from the same family, making comparisons with a neighbour sending you a bag and other random stuff is totally pointless.

But what I find more amazing is that there actually is people in here defending the OP.

One of the reasons Switzerland is doing not so bad right now is its luxury goods industry and specially watches. Tens of thousands of employees and many more if you count indirect benefits from having a good export base depend on people from all over the world buying expensive Swiss products, fortunately those persons from other countries have higher moral standards than those in here who defend counterfeited goods. I seriously wished you worked in a company whose revenue depended on selling this kind of goods, I'd love to hear your opinion then.
I'm not "defending the OP". I just don't agree that the company had the authority to do this without any type of court order and frankly not sure you should able be prosecuted for someone else's actions.

The OP didn't buy the goods, receive the goods, nor bring the goods into the country. Like I said, has SHE actually brought them in herself that's a different story.
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Old 07.06.2012, 16:03
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Re: Troubles with Louis Vuitton for a gift...

It doesn't matter who sent it, as long as she didn't send it to herself. There is no evidence (no return address), just hearsay and circumstantial. LV may take it to court (cause the can afford it) but they will not win.
Why give in to the bully tactics, they can't enforce it.

And saying this does not condone piracy, just rejecting threatening, bullyboy mentality of wealthy corporations against innocent people ( remember, innocent until proven guilty, I think we all expect that, don't we?)
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Old 07.06.2012, 16:07
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It doesn't matter who sent it, as long as she didn't send it to herself. There is no evidence (no return address), just hearsay and circumstantial. LV may take it to court (cause the can afford it) but they will not win.
Why give in to the bully tactics, they can't enforce it.

And saying this does not condone piracy, just rejecting threatening, bullyboy mentality of wealthy corporations against innocent people ( remember, innocent until proven guilty, I think we all expect that, don't we?)
Yes in theory, but in practice we also don't like the "innocents" who abuse, rape that right: "innocent until proven guilty".

For example here she never opened the package and yet knew what it was...

So this "innocent" thing is also not to be taken lightly by both sides (citizen side and business side).
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Old 07.06.2012, 16:16
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I'm not "defending the OP". I just don't agree that the company had the authority to do this without any type of court order and frankly not sure you should able be prosecuted for someone else's actions.

The OP didn't buy the goods, receive the goods, nor bring the goods into the country. Like I said, has SHE actually brought them in herself that's a different story.
Let's face it, you're just mentioning what could be a technical problem, but by knowing the sender is a cousin and that the OP knew what was inside the package chances are he/she knew exactly what was going on and now instead of admitting fault and paying for it he's looking for a way to avoid his responsibility and this is what the thread is all about.
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Old 07.06.2012, 16:18
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Let's face it, you're just mentioning what could be a technical problem, but by knowing the sender is a cousin and that the OP knew what was inside the package chances are he/she knew exactly what was going on and now instead of admitting fault and paying for it he's looking for a way to avoid his responsibility and this is what the thread is all about.
my thoughts exactly, its what the op isn't saying about it that speaks volumes, especially as they have been on here today and not replied

you took the gamble and lost, now for the next gamble, are LV bluffing, various posts over the internet suggest they are not
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Old 07.06.2012, 16:24
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The problem is it's not illegal in the cousin's country.

I'm not "defending the OP". I just don't agree that the company had the authority to do this without any type of court order and frankly not sure you should able be prosecuted for someone else's actions.

The OP didn't buy the goods, receive the goods, nor bring the goods into the country. Like I said, has SHE actually brought them in herself that's a different story.

Plus, the bill they sent is based on the concept of ''lost revenue'' for LV

The OP surely was never going to buy a 900 CHF handbag, since this was a gift. So then they are welcome to go after the cousin, but like was said, this isn't even illegal in the cousin's country.
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Old 07.06.2012, 16:25
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Let's face it, you're just mentioning what could be a technical problem, but by knowing the sender is a cousin and that the OP knew what was inside the package chances are he/she knew exactly what was going on and now instead of admitting fault and paying for it he's looking for a way to avoid his responsibility and this is what the thread is all about.
I took her at face value and go by the facts as the she laid them out. I'm not going to assume she's knew just because I have a suspicious mind. She still has a right to be taken to court and then proven guilty or not.

I refuse to give this type of power to a corporation. I'm a crafter and know all about corporations extorting small business over supposed TM infringement when these corporations are in fact in the wrong. Plenty of crafters just pay up because they can't afford to go to court even when they are in the right. And that is unacceptable.
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Old 07.06.2012, 16:28
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Plus, the bill they sent is based on the concept of ''lost revenue'' for LV

The OP surely was never going to buy a 900 CHF handbag, since this was a gift. So then they are welcome to go after the cousin, but like was said, this isn't even illegal in the cousin's country.

since when was counterfeiting legal in Hong Kong?? thing you'll find it is illegal there

https://www.google.com/search?q=coun...w=1204&bih=646
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The problem is it's not illegal in the cousin's country.




I'm not "defending the OP". I just don't agree that the company had the authority to do this without any type of court order and frankly not sure you should able be prosecuted for someone else's actions.

The OP didn't buy the goods, receive the goods, nor bring the goods into the country. Like I said, has SHE actually brought them in herself that's a different story.
She didn't recieve the goods because they were seized en route to her. Why don't we ask the intended receiver had the bag been delivered, would she visit customs and hand over the bag voluntarily? I think not.

The reason why companies ask for the face value of the intended knock-off is to deter this from happening. If you set a precendent where all the recievers can say that the package that was en route for them, wasn't something they asked for, but are free from any consequence, then you will have a massive flood of attempted bootlegging.

It seems so easy to say that she had no idea it was coming for her, so how can customs blame her? But we all know that in fact she did know. I really don't see why there is this much discussion on this. I never in my life have had random packages sent to me from people I don't know of viagra, pills, fake bags, extinct reptiles, kilos of cocaine, replica watches, or the like. I do however keep getting bills from a creditor that can find me anywhere I go in the world wish, I wish, I would never get any more "suprise" letters from.
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since when was counterfeiting legal in Hong Kong?? thing you'll find it is illegal there

https://www.google.com/search?q=coun...w=1204&bih=646

Thanks for that! It will shut up those who open their gab and spew BS like there's no tomorrow.
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