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Old 07.06.2012, 16:50
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since when was counterfeiting legal in Hong Kong?? thing you'll find it is illegal there

https://www.google.com/search?q=coun...w=1204&bih=646
They said it WASn't illegal in the Hong Kong
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They said it WASn't illegal in the Hong Kong
wut?

First link:

'Is It Illegal to Buy Fake Products?

Yes, it is; period. However, the reason why so many people continue to do so is because the chance of getting caught is remote and the penalties light. If you are caught by police on the street or at customs, you'll likely have the product confiscated and be given a slap on the rist. Of course, this assumes you are buying a single item or two for personal use, not a suitcase stuffed full of fake handbags; for which the penalty will be far stiffer.'

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Old 07.06.2012, 16:56
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Re: Troubles with Louis Vuitton for a gift...

But buying or using counterfeit goods is not illegal everywhere...as I said earlier, I didn't know that it was a problem here, not that I have a fake LV bag or otherwise.

There are so many knock off out there, and the biggest problem I see is if someone buys a knock off thinking it is real (paying the high price). But if someone knows they are buying a knock off, well, I don't have a huge problem with it (if it is not illegal to do so where they are). It's not like someone who is buying the $20 LV bag is getting that instead of the real thing, is it?
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wut?

First link:

'Is It Illegal to Buy Fake Products?

Yes, it is; period. However, the reason why so many people continue to do so is because the chance of getting caught is remote and the penalties light. If you are caught by police on the street or at customs, you'll likely have the product confiscated and be given a slap on the rist. Of course, this assumes you are buying a single item or two for personal use, not a suitcase stuffed full of fake handbags; for which the penalty will be far stiffer.'

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'Hong Kong steps up fight against counterfeits'

Should have gone to Specsavers
I only referred to the quotes I highlighted. Please a little less hostile.
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Old 07.06.2012, 17:02
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since when was counterfeiting legal in Hong Kong?? thing you'll find it is illegal there
Thanks for that. Good to know. They can take it up with the cousin. It's certainly much more tolerated in the general public. That's for sure, ie. the cousin seeing no problem sending such an item.

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She didn't recieve the goods because they were seized en route to her. Why don't we ask the intended receiver had the bag been delivered, would she visit customs and hand over the bag voluntarily? I think not.
Regardless. She still didn't receive them. No crime was committed by the OP.

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It seems so easy to say that she had no idea it was coming for her, so how can customs blame her? But we all know that in fact she did know.
No we don't. Some people assume. Not sure I'd want you on my jury!

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I really don't see why there is this much discussion on this. I never in my life have had random packages sent to me from people I don't know of viagra, pills, fake bags, extinct reptiles, kilos of cocaine, replica watches, or the like. I do however keep getting bills from a creditor that can find me anywhere I go in the world wish, I wish, I would never get any more "suprise" letters from.
I get care packages all the time. None of those things are included. Had they been though I certainly wouldn't have known they were coming.


Anyway, we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.



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Old 07.06.2012, 17:03
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But buying or using counterfeit goods is not illegal everywhere...as I said earlier, I didn't know that it was a problem here, not that I have a fake LV bag or otherwise.

There are so many knock off out there, and the biggest problem I see is if someone buys a knock off thinking it is real (paying the high price). But if someone knows they are buying a knock off, well, I don't have a huge problem with it (if it is not illegal to do so where they are). It's not like someone who is buying the $20 LV bag is getting that instead of the real thing, is it?
How about knock off childrens' toys, car parts, plane parts, recreational drugs, medicines etc etc etc.

If they're a bit cheaper on the web, it's not like you're getting the real thing, eh?
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Old 07.06.2012, 17:08
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How about knock off childrens' toys, car parts, plane parts, recreational drugs, medicines etc etc etc.

If they're a bit cheaper on the web, it's not like you're getting the real thing, eh?

Buyer beware, if it's too good to be true, it probably is... And I don't compare a fake handbag to fake medicines. Obviously a different story.

Not sure what you mean by you last comment...too much sun today, possibly (on my part)
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Old 07.06.2012, 17:19
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Buyer beware, if it's too good to be true, it probably is... And I don't compare a fake handbag to fake medicines. Obviously a different story.

Not sure what you mean by you last comment...too much sun today, possibly (on my part)
As I said in an earlier post - it's the same criminal gangs pushing all manner of fake goods. By buying the fake bag, you're supporting them.
(The drug money needs laundering somewhere).
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Old 07.06.2012, 17:22
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Re: Troubles with Louis Vuitton for a gift...

Valid point. I think that the public could use some educating along that front - ie who is getting rich off the knockoffs. To be honest, I never knew/realized that it was organized crime...guess I am naive! Good to know.
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Old 07.06.2012, 17:33
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since when was counterfeiting legal in Hong Kong?? thing you'll find it is illegal there

https://www.google.com/search?q=coun...w=1204&bih=646
My apologies, I was under the impression that while counterfeiting was illegal, that buying counterfeit stuff was not.

Anyway, regardless of that, even if the OP knew what the contents were, it doesn't matter. LV is accusing her of something, so they have to prove she knew about the bag, that it wasn't a gift, etc. If they can't prove that, then they are welcome to send the cousin a bill.

The OP shouldn't pay absolutely anything.
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Why are people going on about fines ? No one has been fined.
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Old 07.06.2012, 17:41
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My apologies, I was under the impression that while counterfeiting was illegal, that buying counterfeit stuff was not.

Anyway, regardless of that, even if the OP knew what the contents were, it doesn't matter. LV is accusing her of something, so they have to prove she knew about the bag, that it wasn't a gift, etc. If they can't prove that, then they are welcome to send the cousin a bill.

The OP shouldn't pay absolutely anything.

I think the op should get proper legal advise asap, given that customs pass on all his / her data to LV and they seem to be getting away with sending out bills, I don't think a government agency would be sending them the info, knowing what they are going to do with it, if its illegal.

if the op waits to see what happens it could get VERY costly very quickly indeed
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Old 07.06.2012, 17:59
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I think the op should get proper legal advise asap, given that customs pass on all his / her data to LV and they seem to be getting away with sending out bills, I don't think a government agency would be sending them the info, knowing what they are going to do with it, if its illegal.

if the op waits to see what happens it could get VERY costly very quickly indeed
The send the info so that LV can take them to court, not extort money.
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Old 07.06.2012, 18:00
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As I said in an earlier post - it's the same criminal gangs pushing all manner of fake goods. By buying the fake bag, you're supporting them.
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Valid point. I think that the public could use some educating along that front - ie who is getting rich off the knockoffs. To be honest, I never knew/realized that it was organized crime...guess I am naive! Good to know.
I found a quote to back up my claim regarding lanudering:


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The counterfeiting trade exploded in 2001 due to the terrorist attacks. Tightened banking regulations meant it was harder for criminals to store cash, so reinvesting it in a cash-generative business like counterfeiting makes sense. The War on Terror changed priorities in law enforcement, diverting attention away from 'harmless' crimes like counterfeiting and focusing Customs inspectors' attention on other threats.
From here

Is this Off-topic. Not in my opinion as it does help to explain the stance here.
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Old 07.06.2012, 19:31
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I took her at face value and go by the facts as the she laid them out. I'm not going to assume she's knew just because I have a suspicious mind. She still has a right to be taken to court and then proven guilty or not.

I refuse to give this type of power to a corporation. I'm a crafter and know all about corporations extorting small business over supposed TM infringement when these corporations are in fact in the wrong. Plenty of crafters just pay up because they can't afford to go to court even when they are in the right. And that is unacceptable.
A TM is infringed if a name or logo of another company that has the IP rights finds that another company who is operating in the same business has used an identical name or logo or one incredibly similar.

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Did I say they weren't/one wasn't?

They are different rights and frankly I don't think trademark infringement stifles creativity. (not that I agree with TM infringement)

You can't copyright a handbag.
But you can tradmark your logo and a fake LV bag is covered in the LV logo making the item appear to belong to the same company.
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Old 07.06.2012, 20:00
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A TM is infringed if a name or logo of another company that has the IP rights finds that another company who is operating in the same business has used an identical name or logo or one incredibly similar.

But you can tradmark your logo and a fake LV bag is covered in the LV logo making the item appear to belong to the same company.
Thanks. Not sure why you think you need to tell me but OK.
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Re: Troubles with Louis Vuitton for a gift...

The WRS consumer show talked about the issue of people getting letter from customs and a payment slip from LV. The broadcast is posted on their website. The advocate said that LV is known for sending out the letters, but do not pay. They said it was unlikely that LV would pursue in court as they would have to prove the level of damage caused to them was 900chf.
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The WRS consumer show talked about the issue of people getting letter from customs and a payment slip from LV. The broadcast is posted on their website. The advocate said that LV is known for sending out the letters, but do not pay. They said it was unlikely that LV would pursue in court as they would have to prove the level of damage caused to them was 900chf.

good info... it runs along the lines of the UK private parking tickets and extionate amounts demanded for free car parks etc.
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Old 21.06.2012, 20:07
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Re: Troubles with Louis Vuitton for a gift...

In Turkey for my daughter I bought a perfectly good non trade marked hand bag for CHF 25. (She wanted a Gucci, but no chance!) Now if LV is selling the same thing with LV stamped all over it for CHF 1'000 I ask myself whom is the bigger criminal?
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Re: Troubles with Louis Vuitton for a gift...

Fair point Sbrinz. Would be quite different for a hand-made watch, being faked with a case with mass-made movement inside.

But come on - it's a fair cop. Reading between the lines it seems the OP knew exactly what's what, which is why there was no sender's name on the parcel (probably the reason why it was opened).
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