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Old 22.06.2012, 14:44
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1) There is a "You and I", it all depends on the point of view and the viewing angle you are in. In that respect there is a "you and I posting together on the same topic".
Aw that's so sweet. There is a "you & I". <3 <3 <3

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2) Well I used quotation marks to give a special meaning to "portuguese" as explained above (to avoid confusing nationality VS portuguese team footbal fan".
Ok. It seemed weird. You do seem to have your own punctation rules.

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3) There's no "thirdly" where it has been? Maybe it's in transit to Portugal?
OMG!!! Who stole my thirdly????

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4) Your opinion, my opinion... I tried to explain that both have not much meaning in that particular context where the law prevails.
The original question wasn't about the law. The OP asked "what are your reactions about the noisy portugues [sic] fans?" You gave your opinion and I gave mine. I didn't say yours didn't matter as you did with me.

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5) Respect...groaning... I respect "melusine" for her second explanations, but I definitely not respect what she said first (that it's great that they have such a strong sense of community feeling). So yes I don't respect anything supporting nationalism, discrimination, racism, etc...
You don't respect her for having her own opinion? Nice. I also agree that it's great to have strong sense of community, which has nothing to do with discrimination or racism. That bit is in your head.

A bit of nationalism, regionalism is exactly what these types of competitions are about. The olympics are next. Get ready!
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Old 22.06.2012, 14:44
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Old 22.06.2012, 14:45
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First of all there is no "you & I".

Secondly you don't need all those quotation marks they make no sense and make your posts impossible to read.

Fourthly, I don't care that you don't care what I care about. I'm giving my opinion just like you did. And PS, I wasn't really directing that point to you but it was a comment on the overall topic, hence the big space between the paragraphs.

And finally, respect also means not groaning everyone you don't agree with.



Right. But you are the one complaining "I find disturbing that you can not even mention that you have been disturbed by that without being "groaned" at." when in fact you have given the most (if not only) groans on this thread.
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1) There is a "You and I", it all depends on the point of view and the viewing angle you are in. In that respect there is a "you and I posting together on the same topic".

2) Well I used quotation marks to give a special meaning to "portuguese" as explained above (to avoid confusing nationality VS portuguese team footbal fan".

3) There's no "thirdly" where it has been? Maybe it's in transit to Portugal?

4) Your opinion, my opinion... I tried to explain that both have not much meaning in that particular context where the law prevails.

5) Respect...groaning... I respect "melusine" for her second explanations, but I definitely not respect what she said first (that it's great that they have such a strong sense of community feeling). So yes I don't respect anything supporting nationalism, discrimination, racism, etc...


6) Yes I groaned a few thing. I am not the OP and I am not the one groaning him/her. That person found disturbing the noise and the behavior or particular football fan and ask us all (save yourself from saying there is no "us" ) what we though about it. And what they gave him was a groan!

PS: I'm perfectly fine with receiving groans especially from those who say "people have right to celebrate at all costs, etc...". It's a bit like someone killing a cow for fun and celebration will "groan" me: quite proud to be groaned by that person with such behaviour.

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The original question wasn't about the law. The OP asked "what are your reactions about the noisy portugues [sic] fans?" You gave your opinion and I gave mine. I didn't say yours didn't matter as you did with me.
Well that's unfortunate that you are mixing everything. I totally agree with that statement "The original question wasn't about the law"...

Unfortunately the "law" bit was referring to that post and not the original post:
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LIVE AT LEAT LIVE!!! one day you will celebrate something with vuvuzelas and stuff ! i thing was good to forget the routine .... everybody is entitled to show emotions! anyway get ready for next week, i'll cross my fingers cause i love portugal!!!


So yes the 1st topic was not about law. That one is.
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Old 22.06.2012, 14:57
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5) Respect...groaning... I respect "melusine" for her second explanations, but I definitely not respect what she said first (that it's great that they have such a strong sense of community feeling). So yes I don't respect anything supporting nationalism, discrimination, racism, etc...


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Community doesn't mean nationality you know? Anyway, your're doing exactly the same when you speak of 'the Portuguese' when it concerns only the football team fans.

There is a huge Portuguese population in Switzerland. Some of them + people of other nationalities decided to form a short-lived community to express their enthusiasm at seeing 'their' team winning the match.

They didn't express racism toward the team that had lost. They were simply happy and, yes, quite vocal about it. Some (again, a minority from the group) went too far and got too noisy for too long. We can't exacly blame all the Portuguese population OR all the Portuguese football fans for that, surely?
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Old 22.06.2012, 15:02
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Well that's unfortunate that you are mixing everything. I totally agree with that statement "The original question wasn't about the law"...

Unfortunately the "law" bit was referring to that post and not the original post:
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LIVE AT LEAT LIVE!!! one day you will celebrate something with vuvuzelas and stuff ! i thing was good to forget the routine .... everybody is entitled to show emotions! anyway get ready for next week, i'll cross my fingers cause i love portugal!!!


So yes the 1st topic was not about law. That one is.
Ok. But that wasn't me.

Although they did get something right!!!
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Old 22.06.2012, 15:07
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Do you think it's too much, isn't disturbing a whole town each time the team wins considered a public disorder? I've got nothing on Portugues people, but i find it disturbing.
Come on don't be such a kill joy. Its fun to see and only lasts and hour or so. I cant believe people complain about such things, not like its every year is it. And anyway last night in Lausanne was Fète de la music with multiple sound stages playing till midnight all round the city!

All part of city life!

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Come on. Let us have our moment of emotional discussion.
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Old 22.06.2012, 15:12
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Come on don't be such a kill joy. Its fun to see and only lasts and hour or so. I cant believe people complain about such things, not like its every year is it. And anyway last night in Lausanne was Fète de la music with multiple sound stages playing till midnight all round the city!

All part of city life!

Let's "celebrate"(beeping with cars at nights on a week day):
Tennis victories
Rugbys victories
Swimming victories
American Football victories
etc...
Handball victories

* every countries in the world.

= I think they won't be enough evenings to celebrate in a year...

So what else you can't believe?


PS: they also made lot of noise the previous nights, they were no "fete de la musique" by then.
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Old 22.06.2012, 15:14
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Bad interpretation, based on nothing else than a stupid analysis.

"drive by groan", I only had time to read the topic and had no time to reply.
I wish I had more time to backup my argument and demonstrate how stupid yours were.
I have absolutely no shame to express different opinion than the "mass" here, as you can demonstrate yourself by reading my previous posts in the forum.

She got a groan for "approving" nationalism (she said "community feeling").
It's a soccer (sorry, football) tournament after all, relax. Fans support their teams. In this case it is the national team. Nothing wrong with that form of nationalism/patriotism/community feeling.

Do you never wave the blue, white and red on Bastille day?
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Re: What are you reactions about the noisy portugues fans?

Comment on Lausanne - it is annoying like hell. When they want to party, go ahead. Driving around for 1 and half hour around midnight, blowing car horn all the way and running in circles... pathetic. Those few people on streets mostly didn't care or were just annoyed. People with little kids must have been very pleased for such huge amount of sympathy and understanding. And it was quite loud even with windows completely shut.

If I would be a huge fan of free solo rock climbing (which I am), some slovak guy won a world championship, would it be OK to run around Your town blowing vuvuzela to everybody's face? You know, it's my right, we won!
And some John Doe having his favorite curling team won 7. place in local championship, he should continue tomorrow. Such an achievement! And so on...

I find passive sport watching beyond pathetic, but people have right to do so. If their team wins, go ahead and celebrate. But blowing horns into faces of people who don't care a bit about that is selfish, arrogant and pathetic. Don't care whether it's football, hockey or chess. Do it in your home country, make a mess but have some respect to other people here.
And people wonder why Swiss don't like foreigners so much. Hell, I am still amazed how forgiving they are!
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Regardings laws. Germany has no speed limits and Switzerland has limits.
Where there are more deaths by capita due to car accidents?
That sounds like a valid point when you read it. Buf after thinking about it for a second:

1. You are wrong, Germany has speed limits.
2. Therefor your conclusion that there are less deaths by capita BECAUSE of not having speed limitis is bonkers.
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It's a soccer (sorry, football) tournament after all, relax. Fans support their teams. In this case it is the national team. Nothing wrong with that form of nationalism/patriotism/community feeling.

Do you never wave the blue, white and red on Bastille day?
No I am not attached that much to my "nationality" to do stupid stuffs "in its name".
Although to be fair, I often have the feeling to cut some heads, I guess that nationality thing must be in the genes after all...

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Comment on Lausanne - it is annoying like hell. When they want to party, go ahead. Driving around for 1 and half hour around midnight, blowing car horn all the way and running in circles... pathetic. Those few people on streets mostly didn't care or were just annoyed. People with little kids must have been very pleased for such huge amount of sympathy and understanding. And it was quite loud even with windows completely shut.

If I would be a huge fan of free solo rock climbing (which I am), some slovak guy won a world championship, would it be OK to run around Your town blowing vuvuzela to everybody's face? You know, it's my right, we won!
And some John Doe having his favorite curling team won 7. place in local championship, he should continue tomorrow. Such an achievement! And so on...

I find passive sport watching beyond pathetic, but people have right to do so. If their team wins, go ahead and celebrate. But blowing horns into faces of people who don't care a bit about that is selfish, arrogant and pathetic. Don't care whether it's football, hockey or chess. Do it in your home country, make a mess but have some respect to other people here.
And people wonder why Swiss don't like foreigners so much. Hell, I am still amazed how forgiving they are!
Well explained, well done!
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It's a soccer (sorry, football) tournament after all, relax. Fans support their teams. In this case it is the national team. Nothing wrong with that form of nationalism/patriotism/community feeling.

Do you never wave the blue, white and red on Bastille day?


By the way, thanks for that warm and eyes opening comment!

"It's a soccer (sorry, football) tournament after all, relax. Fans support their teams."


So nice that you can "just relax about it".
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Old 22.06.2012, 15:37
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No I am not attached that much to my "nationality" to do stupid stuffs "in its name".
Although to be fair, I often have the feeling to cut some heads, I guess that nationality thing must be in the genes after all...

LOL

I think that's the funniest thing you've ever written.
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By the way, thanks for that warm and eyes opening comment!

"It's a soccer (sorry, football) tournament after all, relax. Fans support their teams."


So nice that you can "just relax about it".

huh? Actually, I am pretty relaxed, thanks for inquiring! Won't be tonight during the Germany match, you see, as I am a crazy fan (but won't disturb others peace and quiet when/if they win). Why all the hate and negativity? BTW, thanks for flipping me off - quite classy...
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Let's "celebrate"(beeping with cars at nights on a week day):
Tennis victories
Rugbys victories
Swimming victories
American Football victories
etc...
Handball victories
Horgen gets quite noisy late at night when the local waterpolo team win the Swiss league.
Again (29 titles since 1917!), although some other teams claim Horgen have an advantage because they play their home games in Lake Zurich and not in an indoor pool.
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