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I'm sure it can be but not always. I'm a big fan of the concept of "eating intuitively." No discipline, willpower or patience needed.
Unless your intuition says 'have another slice of cake to go with those erdnuss flips', and you haven't been able to exercise for five years because finding suitable clothes is just too hard...

Seriously, though - for those who find it hard (and we are many), staying fit is work, and it does take planning and dedication to achieve. There are people who don't find it difficult (for reasons metabolic or psychological), but they are increasingly a minority.

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I'm sure it can be but not always. I'm a big fan of the concept of "eating intuitively." No discipline, willpower or patience needed.
But knowing yourself enough to eat when you are hungry, and to not use food as an antidote to boredom or stress. Mindful eating. I think it takes a bit of work to get yourself to that stage. Or perhaps not everyone is ready to trust their intuition.
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I'm sure it can be but not always. I'm a big fan of the concept of "eating intuitively." No discipline, willpower or patience needed.
I don't think that's possible these days unless you prepare and cook yourself )or get someone to do it for you).

If you have one of those very large cokes that contains the equivalent of 50 teaspoons of sugar, there's no way your body is going to tell you that you've actually eaten enough calories for two meals in one drink.

If however, you manage to chomp through the equivalent in carrots, you'll give up long before you get to the fortieth carrot.
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If however, you manage to chomp through the equivalent in carrots, you'll give up long before you get to the fortieth carrot.
True.....I give up around carrot no. 7 ....before 10 AM that is.

But that said. Carrots are excellent fill-up-food. Low in carb and high in density. Add a few almonds and your craving (if any) are on hold for a while.
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Well, I really like to go to the gym! If you start running, you will lose weight very fast and after a while, it turns really fun (I guess)... I love it!
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Carrots are excellent fill-up-food. Low in carb and high in density.
Fully agreed. I tend to substitute boiled carrots now for pasta in my evening meal - they are very filling and make a tasty base for most sauces and cheese, but keep the total calorie count low.
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Fully agreed. I tend to substitute boiled carrots now for pasta in my evening meal - they are very filling and make a tasty base for most sauces and cheese, but keep the total calorie count low.
Bad idea. Pasta is not good as they are fast carbs (high glycemic index). Stick to carrots (but not too many) and add broccoli and other slow vegestables. See for example this.

Google glycemic index if you are new to this and want to know more. There is plenty of threads here on EF on this topic so I will not go into this further.

Basically...stay away from all white food (pasta, flour, sugar, marsh mellows ).
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Fully agreed. I tend to substitute boiled carrots now for pasta in my evening meal - they are very filling and make a tasty base for most sauces and cheese, but keep the total calorie count low.
I was actually just using carrots as an example. They are mind-blowingly dull (especially raw).

What I was trying to say that real food that you cook yourself normally contains a lot less calories than processed and/or junk food.

Even if you ate the pasta instead of the carrots - a large portion of pasta (140g) would be considered a meal but would still be 600 calories less than the single drink I mentioned that people wouldn't even consider as a meal (or even a snack).

It actually really annoys me when people harp on about snacks - they are a relatively new invention and only deemed necessary by some people because of the sugar-crash after eating the wrong foods.

We did not evolve to require snacks and those adults believe they do need them (rather than having them occasionally because they taste great), really need to review what they eat if they do not want to put on excess weight).
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Bad idea. Pasta is not good as they are fast carbs (high glycemic index). Stick to carrots (but not too many) and add broccoli and other slow vegestables. See for example this.

Google glycemic index if you are new to this and want to know more. There is plenty of threads here on EF on this topic so I will not go into this further.

Basically...stay away from all white food (pasta, flour, sugar, marsh mellows ).
Oh...boy...I misunderstood.

Before: pasta
Now: carrots.

Carry on soldier.
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I was actually just using carrots as an example. They are mind-blowingly dull (especially raw).

What I was trying to say that real food that you cook yourself normally contains a lot less calories than processed and/or junk food.

Even if you ate the pasta instead of the carrots - a large portion of pasta (140g) would be considered a meal but would still be 600 calories less than the single drink I mentioned that people wouldn't even consider as a meal (or even a snack).
Agreed as to their dullness - that's why they are a good vehicle for sauce. Filling, inoffensive, and very low cal.

As to your point about cooking and processed/junk food - again, spot on. I just avoid the pasta as it allows me to add more cheese, and fast carbs play merry hell with my GI and thus are a bit counterproductive for me.
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Fully agreed. I tend to substitute boiled carrots now for pasta in my evening meal - they are very filling and make a tasty base for most sauces and cheese, but keep the total calorie count low.
have you tried spaghetti squash?

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have you tried spaghetti squash?
I have not, but I'll look into it - not super big on squash, tho... but worth a try
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I have not, but I'll look into it - not super big on squash, tho... but worth a try
If you use a potato peeler on zucchini to cut it into thin strips, it works quite well as replacement for pasta as well.




Anyhow, the "excuses" I was giving was more as a way to try to help you guys see the obstacles (mental, emotional and actual physical, in the way of no clothing to fit) which are there. Trying to help you see that simply saying "eat less, exercise more" is not enough. There are some very real (clothing that is "for purpose" AND fits) and some "imagined" obstacles which are reasons we give ourselves - not as fodder for you to make anyone feel worse, but to try to help you see how hard it is for someone who faces those challenges.

It's more than a problem finding motivation to do it, it is motivation to search high and low (and save enough money to spend tons of money) to find proper clothing and equipment. To find motivation to find that special yoga instructor who knows about the limitations but ALSO the capabilities of someone who is overweight and looking to change.

Trust me, I HAVE thought about it, I think it's way past time for some of you guys to really, really think about what it's like for someone else - what is beyond what you see when you look at a photo.
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It's more than a problem finding motivation to do it, it is motivation to search high and low (and save enough money to spend tons of money) to find proper clothing and equipment.
Now you're just being silly.

For example, Decathalon in France sells running shorts for 6.95EUR.
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Anyhow, the "excuses" I was giving was more as a way to try to help you guys see the obstacles (mental, emotional and actual physical, in the way of no clothing to fit) which are there. Trying to help you see that simply saying "eat less, exercise more" is not enough. There are some very real (clothing that is "for purpose" AND fits) and some "imagined" obstacles which are reasons we give ourselves - not as fodder for you to make anyone feel worse, but to try to help you see how hard it is for someone who faces those challenges.
OK, I can accept that, but that's not how you phrased it previously - and kindly retract the "not as fodder for you to make anyone feel worse, but to try to help you see how hard it is for someone who faces those challenges." comment about me, since I've NEVER made such a comment in this thread, and in case you didn't read the above, I'm sympathetic to how difficult it can to get your body back into shape BECAUSE I HAD TO RELEARN HOW TO WALK.

The obstacles you have mentioned are real, and I've never denied that - but they are not insurmountable. Can't find clothing, afraid of the looks, don't have the money for equipment? If you're serious enough you can start with bodyweight exercises and basic cardio, indoors in your skivvies.

I'm sorry to be blunt about this, but any non-medical 'reason' you give can be seen as an excuse, simply because there are workarounds. The workarounds may not be fun, social, or inspiring, but with willpower and proper diet they WILL work.

To me, and I think to many people, a reason starts with an incontestable 'I can't", i.e. "I can't run because my legs are shot".

An excuse starts with a statement which boils down to "I don't want to", i.e. "I don't want to exercise in these trousers and I don't want to put the effort into/spend the money on finding suitable ones" or "I don't want to go to the gym because I think people are judging me".
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Occasional Canadian good luck with everything. I have respect for you. Keep fighting

Btw I also respect fat people who take 100% responsibility for their current state and do something about it instead of moaning and coming out with 1million excuses. I always observe and am amazed with what fat people buy at supermarket.
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Now you're just being silly.

For example, Decathalon in France sells running shorts for 6.95EUR.
I'm being silly? SILLY? Did you LOOK at those shorts?

Here they are:


Now, what SIZE do they come in? Top size is 48. THIS is part of the problem!

SILLY. ARGH!!!

You're not listening!

Do you really think that someone is going to WANT to go running (an exercise they actually don't have much desire to do in the first place) in shorts that are four or more sizes TOO SMALL with fat bulging out of everywhere? Do you have the first clue what kind of abuse they have to take from other people - not only hearing it, but feeling it?

Are you even close to getting it now?

Silly my big fat behind!


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and kindly retract the "not as fodder for you to make anyone feel worse, but to try to help you see how hard it is for someone who faces those challenges." comment about me, since I've NEVER made such a comment in this thread,
The comment you object to wasn't directed toward you, I am sorry. That is why I left that huge gap, I'd only wanted to point out the zucchini "trick" to you.
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Occasional Canadian good luck with everything. I have respect for you. Keep fighting

Btw I also respect fat people who take 100% responsibility for their current state and do something about it instead of moaning and coming out with 1million excuses. I always observe and am amazed with what fat people buy at supermarket.
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fat bulging out of everywhere? Do you have the first clue what kind of abuse they have to take from other people - not only hearing it, but feeling it?
You have two options. Get fatter or get fitter. Even I don't wear Lycra stuff like that. Comfy track suit bottoms is what I wear, you on the other hand can wear baggy ones. If you can't get any here I am sure you can order one from DE or USA. If you are poor I am sure I can raise some money for you on this forum.
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