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But I mean how do I react? Last night she kept talking about it and I tried to ignore it but she just carried on. I snapped and said "you know what's not good for a belly? Beer. And Chinese" (she'd had Chinese for dinner). She got really offended. I just can't stand to listen to it anymore. When she's right in front of me saying these things, what do I do?
You can only lose with this one.
She is frustrated with herself and doesn't know where to put all the anger.
If she didn't let off some steam at you, she'd probably stuff herself the whole day like there's no tomorrow - resulting in even more weight-gain.
The psychologists here may know the correct word for this behavior.

Sugar and fat (and salt) are like drugs. It takes a lot of will-power to limit the intake to levels the body can cope with. Not everybody achieves this - as evidenced by the fact that ambulance-cars, hospital-beds and coffins need to get bigger all the time.

As a woman, she'd need to be extra-careful, as she aggregates a lot of risk-factors later in life. But as with all drugs - who ever successfully argued a junky out of his addiction? Reason doesn't work here.
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Last night she kept talking about it and I tried to ignore it but she just carried on. I snapped and said "you know what's not good for a belly? Beer. And Chinese" (she'd had Chinese for dinner). She got really offended. I just can't stand to listen to it anymore. When she's right in front of me saying these things, what do I do?
that seems like a good way to react. If you point out every time that yes, I agree you're fat and you will remain fat if you keep eating like you do, that beer has 250 kcal and you've had 3 - she might find another more sympathetic sounding board soon.
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I just want to say to all the people trying to lose weight: good job!

I am definitely on the curvy side, not massively overwheight, but I could lose 5-6 kilos to get to my perfect weight (not because I said so, according to my doctor). I have put on these additional kilos in the past year or so and, while they are not an immediate threat to my health (still according to my doctor), having a history of back problems and being subject to high cholesterol make it imperative that I watch my weight.

The reason for the gain is a combination of 1) I love to eat, cook, try new restaurants; 2) due to other health issues, I have not been exercising as much as I used to, when I was practicing martial arts and/or going to the gym 5-6 days a week.

The doctor has been very clear with me on this point: in my case, if I want to achieve and maintain my perfect weight, I have to watch what I eat and what I drink, every day of my life. This means strict discipline. The exercise, in my case, is a huge plus that serves more the purpose of having a toned, shapely body, but has nothing to do with the weight loss, unless I stick to the discipline in eating.

He told me plainly that, in my case, discipline is the key, the rest is excuses: sure I can go out to eat every day of the week with my friends, but instead of the veal liver with roschti, I should order a salad and fish (SOB ). Sure I can have a drink with friends, but instead of 3 beers, just one glass of red wine will do. Sure I have a busy schedule and limited time to eat lunch, but just as I have the time to pop in the Coop and buy a ham and cheese sandwitch, I definitely have time to buy a salad instead, and so forth. Discipline.

I've occasionally had people comment that I could lose a few kilos, I smile, yeah sure, then hit a mental ignore button. It also depends who makes the comment: someone I respect, I listen, some random stranger, I give them the STFU smile. I never had people making nasty comments when I exercise, etc. but if they did, I would tell them "I am working on improving my health, and what do you do to improve yours?" besides the fact that I can brag about being able to break boards with a jump side kick, and that shuts them up, hehehe

Again good luck to all of us working hard to lose weight - it's possible!

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Goodness gracious - didn't know you had that kind of power behind you! Now you mention it, I can see it.
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many people that i have met complaining about being fat kept on doing what they were doing: eating, drinking and no exercise. they did not accept the fact that in their daily routine there MUST be something wrong! its an eyewash not to accept and change it but complaining, "suffering" and stuffing a pack of whipped cookies in their mouth to dry off their tears. they cant face the facts: too much, too fat, too sugery.

what i noticed is that you really want to change it and start thinking about a way to loose weight. first id say start eating half portions. then reduce the fat, sugar and carbs plus consumption of alcohol. and best to top it up with some regular sport. by regular i mean: include that in your daily routine, it must get to the naturally stage like tooth brushing. for me swimming works best. to keep the weight youre aiming for from my perspective it only works if you burn more calories than you take in. and as i am enjoying food and drinks, for me a diet or "eating plan" does not work. i reduced meat (easy, as i dont cook, my GF cooks veg-based. also a good way to cut spendings on food), if i eat meat, then more fish, chicken, turkey etc.
then i checked my fast food consumption. all the sausages etc. i reduced. but i have kebap every now and then. so with 185cm i came down from 96kg to 89kg and keep it. since 2010 i stopped swimming in winter as i cant be arsed to go to oerlikon. im waiting that the city bad opens again. in that winter period i gain 2-3kgs. i think if the bath opens again and i keep on swimming every day, i hit the desired 85kg soon. happy days!

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OK, I'm going to take the plunge here. I've lost 10kg since January going from this (on the left):



To this (again, on the left, taken a week ago):



Gah! I photograph so badly! Anyway...

The first picture is actually what made me decide to lose weight. I honestly didn't go on a strict diet. I started going to the gym an average of 3-4 times a week, eating less bad stuff (although you may notice in picture 2 there is a raclette set in the background!) and a lot less alcohol. At the moment, none.

I would still like to lose another 7kg or so, but to do that, I will have to be stricter with the food and make some sacrifices. Right now, my priority is enjoying my summer, eating bad stuff when I want to (and being sensible in between) and just being happy. After my holidays, I will most probably start keeping a food diary again and hopefully will drop the additional few kilos.

It's not that hard, hence my frustration with my friend. She's lost 23kg since coming to this country and, seeing what she eats now, I dread to think what her diet was like before.

The key thing is patience. For me, the weight didn't start coming off straight away and it was frustrating. It made me think "why am I bothering?" but I carried on and eventually something started happening. It HAS to be a change of mentality, or the weight will just go back on after you've finished your "diet"/"programme"/"regime"/whatever. If I have a day or even a week where I slip, I pull it together and sort myself out for the week after.

As far as the OP goes, if you haven't got much free time it's bloody difficult to find things to do. When I do the housework, I put on some latin music and dance while I'm doing it (yes, really). Partly because I enjoy it, but partly because I burn more calories that way. Adjusting small things can help, and it doesn't take any extra time. If you can sign up for a class like zumba then even better. It really depends on your personal taste, I guess.

EDIT: OMG that first photo is so huge and horrible! Haha! Can I reduce the size?
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I just want to say to all the people trying to lose weight: good job!

not massively overwheight, but I could lose 5-6 kilos to get to my perfect weight ... they are not an immediate threat to my health (still according to my doctor)...

The reason for the gain is a combination of 1) I love to eat, cook, try new restaurants; 2) due to other health issues, I have not been exercising as much as I used to

...achieve and maintain my perfect weight, I have to watch what I eat and what I drink, every day of my life. This means strict discipline.

He told me plainly that, in my case, discipline is the key, the rest is excuses: Discipline.

I've occasionally had people comment that I could lose a few kilos, I smile, yeah sure, then hit a mental ignore button. It also depends who makes the comment: someone I respect, I listen, some random stranger, I give them the STFU smile.

Again good luck to all of us working hard to lose weight - it's possible!
nothing more to add! besides if you drink 10 beers you need to fight them off by reducing other calories or even better: exercise as much that youll lose them. that simple.

side note: i once tried a diet with crispbread, herbal curd cheese and a salad. yes, the kgs are dropping quickly but as soon as you return to "normal" food...bingo! back on again! diets dont work for me, yoyo effect. steady discipline and regular exercise is the key. otherwise surrender, white flag
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To this (again, on the left, taken a week ago):


erm, you´re really the one on the left side???? whoohaw! impressive! i cant "see" really why and where you want to loose another 7kg but i cant agree more on what you are saying. its always the same: a bit of sacrifices, a bit of control mixed up with discipline and sport.

yes, were (maybe) all professionals, tight schedule, hard working. but believe me: if you want to, you can do it! walk/cycle to work, climb the steps and skip the elevator, check if you have a shower at work and go jogging during your lunchbreak. if you cant do it throughout the week, saturday and sunday...fix for the beginning 20min for sport. after 1-2 weeks do it 30mins, 40mins... my GF is into running, i wasnt as i feared my knees will make trouble. hey... if somebody would have told me that, i would have pointed him out to a spiritual hippy meeting on üetliberg. but i experienced that for the first time myself what a boost of endorphines were rushing through my body!!! after i was running lets say that i felt i did something. it was just 2km maybe 3km... this was fascinating and amazing in one!
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Haha, yes that is me and I could definitely still stand to lose 7kg. This time off my mid-section rather than my tits which is where most of it seems to have disappeared from!

Totally agree with what you're saying - take the stairs for sure! The number of people I see going up one floor in the lift is incredible. I sometimes even do sit-ups while I'm watching Neighbours (for those of you who are unlucky enough not to know it, it's an amazingly brilliant Australian soap opera). Instead of sitting still watching it, I'm doing something for 25 minutes.
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rather than my tits which is where most of it seems to have disappeared from!
no offense ( i think i am a rare type of guy that gives no toss for big tits)
but i wanted to say the opposite: ladies, youre nightmares about damaging your tits while loosing weight is herby rebuted! still all looks attractive to me, especially on the booty side: not exceeding width of your shoulders. bravo!
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Thanks for the ego boost! Haha

My point is I look a hell of a lot better now than I did 6 months ago!
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Thanks for the ego boost! Haha

My point is I look a hell of a lot better now than I did 6 months ago!
and i guess youre feeling the same. better! eh? ok, nuff said!
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I feel so much better (and can't wait to feel even better when I lose a bit more... after my holidays ).

Yes, exercise but also really, really watch what you eat. I just tucked into some carrot sticks with homemade hummus. As I made the hummus myself (which took 5 minutes) I know what went into it - chickpeas, garlic, turmeric, lemon juice, water and a teeeeeeeeeny drizzle of olive oil. Much nicer than a packet of crisps.
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OK, I'm going to take the plunge here. I've lost 10kg since January going from this (on the left):

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The first picture is actually what made me decide to lose weight. I honestly didn't go on a strict diet. I started going to the gym an average of 3-4 times a week, eating less bad stuff (although you may notice in picture 2 there is a raclette set in the background!) and a lot less alcohol. At the moment, none.

I would still like to lose another 7kg or so, but to do that, I will have to be stricter with the food and make some sacrifices. Right now, my priority is enjoying my summer, eating bad stuff when I want to (and being sensible in between) and just being happy. After my holidays, I will most probably start keeping a food diary again and hopefully will drop the additional few kilos.

It's not that hard, hence my frustration with my friend. She's lost 23kg since coming to this country and, seeing what she eats now, I dread to think what her diet was like before.

The key thing is patience. For me, the weight didn't start coming off straight away and it was frustrating. It made me think "why am I bothering?" but I carried on and eventually something started happening. It HAS to be a change of mentality, or the weight will just go back on after you've finished your "diet"/"programme"/"regime"/whatever. If I have a day or even a week where I slip, I pull it together and sort myself out for the week after.

As far as the OP goes, if you haven't got much free time it's bloody difficult to find things to do. When I do the housework, I put on some latin music and dance while I'm doing it (yes, really). Partly because I enjoy it, but partly because I burn more calories that way. Adjusting small things can help, and it doesn't take any extra time. If you can sign up for a class like zumba then even better. It really depends on your personal taste, I guess.

EDIT: OMG that first photo is so huge and horrible! Haha! Can I reduce the size?
You look fantastic... great job on the weight loss. Don't be so hard on yourself. Did you know (and I only know this from being a photographer) that a still image of someone is extremely difficult to really capture a persons full beauty. If the light is wrong, angle is wrong... so many simple things can make anyone look like, well, me.
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I feel so much better (and can't wait to feel even better when I lose a bit more... after my holidays ).

Yes, exercise but also really, really watch what you eat. I just tucked into some carrot sticks with homemade hummus. As I made the hummus myself (which took 5 minutes) I know what went into it - chickpeas, garlic, turmeric, lemon juice, water and a teeeeeeeeeny drizzle of olive oil. Much nicer than a packet of crisps.
for me that was the biggest spoiler to overcome: cooking. i hate it to full extent and always had the bachelor dish on: pasta with ready made sauce or frozen pizza when i was not eating out (and wasting loads of money doing so) or doing the fast food stuffing. still a problem is after drinking to get the munchies under control. nearly impossible. at 4am happy bäckerei or new point has only fast food. so i know that sunday and monday i do have to take an extra round on the pitch or in the pool.
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You look fantastic... great job on the weight loss. Don't be so hard on yourself. Did you know (and I only know this from being a photographer) that a still image of someone is extremely difficult to really capture a persons full beauty. If the light is wrong, angle is wrong... so many simple things can make anyone look like, well, me.
I don't think I'm being too hard on myself - I still don't feel comfortable in a bikini, for example. I'd like to reach a point where I don't think about how I look all the time. The most important thing is to feel at ease in your own skin. Nil said earlier on the thread that she's 62kg and feels fat. I would look a bit bony at 62kg and that's not my goal. I'm naturally more "robust", so I need to recognise when I've gone too far (pretty unlikely!).

Nice point about the photo though - it must be true because in real life I'm unbelievably gorgeous.


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for me that was the biggest spoiler to overcome: cooking. i hate it to full extent and always had the bacchelor dish on: pasta with ready made sauce or frozen pizza when i was not eating out (and wasting loads of money doing so) or doing the fast food stuffing. still a problem is after drinking to get the munchies under control. nearly impossible. at 4am happy bäckerei or new point has only fast food. so i know that sunday and monday i do have to take an extra round on the pitch or in the pool.
Ah, despite not living in Zurich, I know the bakery. Nasty! Here we have pizzerias open all night, and I don't think I've ever been to one. The trick is to get so drunk you feel sick and don't want to eat anything, it's much more healthy that way.
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I don't think I'm being too hard on myself - I still don't feel comfortable in a bikini, for example. I'd like to reach a point where I don't think about how I look all the time. The most important thing is to feel at ease in your own skin. Nil said earlier on the thread that she's 62kg and feels fat. I would look a bit bony at 62kg and that's not my goal. I'm naturally more "robust", so I need to recognise when I've gone too far (pretty unlikely!).

Nice point about the photo though - it must be true because in real life I'm unbelievably gorgeous.




Ah, despite not living in Zurich, I know the bakery. Nasty! Here we have pizzerias open all night, and I don't think I've ever been to one. The trick is to get so drunk you feel sick and don't want to eat anything, it's much more healthy that way.
oh no, that doesnt work either. as i said, controlled eating or ticking things off the list i have tried, i get tempted and cant resist. and tbh i wont. i want to live a bit, but face the consequences and stop telling myself its comimg from some strange "magic". in and out. thats it.
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for me that was the biggest spoiler to overcome: cooking. i hate it to full extent and always had the bachelor dish on: pasta with ready made sauce or frozen pizza when i was not eating out (and wasting loads of money doing so) or doing the fast food stuffing. still a problem is after drinking to get the munchies under control. nearly impossible. at 4am happy bäckerei or new point has only fast food. so i know that sunday and monday i do have to take an extra round on the pitch or in the pool.
Canned tuna or sardines make excellent bachelor food with minimal preparation. Frozen chicken breasts too.

Kebap places aren't bad if you minimize the starchy stuff. Go for one of those wraps full of meat and vegetables and go easy on the sauce. The fries are the killer.
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I usually get a wrap with chicken and ask for lots of salad (and a drizzle of sauce admittedly!). YUM. Probably still hideously unhealthy, though.
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It's nice that this thread has turned positive with practical solutions and real-life success stories

It's also interesting to see that those success stories didn't involve some weirdly named diet and but just sensible eating and some exercise.
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