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Guys, can we get back from canibalism to fun weight loss? Ew.

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Dude, I don't know about you, but this is completely false for me. Going to bed hungry is the epitome of suck. When you sleep, your body is repairing itself and requires fuel for that. .

If you don't eat before going to sleep, your stomach has less work to do, thus you sleep better, because the whole organism goes into "sleep" mode.


Besides, you will be very hungry in the morning, which is a good thing because then you can eat as much of almost anything with little risk of getting fatter - unless you keep eating and snacking throughout the day until bedtime, that is.
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and the fact that while scores of people diet regularly to loose weight, maintaining weight loss is rare.
Thats because once the diet is over it's pig out time, to stay thin you pretty much have to be on a diet every day of your life, it's a personal choice most people don't want to do that.
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It does work the other way for some people, though, not eating breakfast, having a light lunch and loading up at night, weird as it is. For some, it will be the ultimate full day amount of food they consume that would really matter, for others a combo of what they eat and when.
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This isn't actually fun per-se, and it echoes what others have said - basically that to lose the weight you've got to change your routine in a meaningful and lasting manner.

I dropped 15kg in about 4 months, by putting in (initially) 20 min on the bike before going to work and restricting myself to a small lunch. As I got fitter, I went up to 45 min after work. (this was because I used Monty Python episodes in the beginning and went up to Star Trek as my cardio improved.)

It became tolerable after a while, and now I actually like it and keep to my routine fairly easily. I don't think there is a solution that is fun, simple and non time consuming, because whatever you do must raise the amount of energy burned proportional to your intake, and that means more exercise or less food.

However, with dedication it becomes easier.
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It does work the other way for some people, though, not eating breakfast, having a light lunch and loading up at night, weird as it is. For some, it will be the ultimate full day amount of food they consume that would really matter, for others a combo of what they eat and when.
Most of the people I know who skip breakfast have weight-problems.

It's the mid-morning donuts they eat that usually does it

(But they can have them because they missed out on breakfast)

What is this "snacking" thing anyway? Do people really eat so little at meals they they need to re-fuel after an hour or so?
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Most of the people I know who skip breakfast have weight-problems.

It's the mid-morning donuts they eat that usually does it

(But they can have them because they missed out on breakfast)

What is this "snacking" thing anyway? Do people really eat so little at meals they they need to re-fuel after an hour or so?
Actually, snacking thing is a ok with me, since my snack is a 5yr old size snack, I am on autopilot, heheh, so my kiddos portions are mine, too, it works really well.

The no breakfast works for me, while it wouldn't for most people I know, I have no idea why. But my metabolism speeds up incredibly if I move on empty stomach, so I walk and work, then eat, then work and walk, snack and dinner.
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Probably not, depends on the person. For long term weight loss or, what's harder, maintenance, these factors certainly play a role and influence compliance with diet and exercise programs. I think the individual differences are sometimes mistaken for "willpower".
When you say "depends on the person" do you mean the hormonal changes could potentially bring a certain person to a state where they would generate more energy compared to what they intake, thereby storing the balance as fat and effectively turning into a "perpetuum mobile" machine?
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Re: fat bum

I too don't eat breakfast, but that's mostly through being on autopilot until coffee #3, and then I hold out until lunch. I'll eat fruit as snacks, and try to keep my daytime calorie count down far enough so that I can eat a large, stuffing meal at night and still be in my target intake range.

Then on weekends I forget it all and indulge in fatty foods and beer!
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Most of the people I know who skip breakfast have weight-problems.

It's the mid-morning donuts they eat that usually does it

(But they can have them because they missed out on breakfast)

What is this "snacking" thing anyway? Do people really eat so little at meals they they need to re-fuel after an hour or so?
Whereas all the people I know who don't eat breakfast are slim! I used to force myself to eat breakfast, having read somewhere that it was essential to kick-start one's metabolism in the morning, although I rarely felt hungry. Now I tend to have a couple of coffees and don't eat until lunchtime.

I don't get the snacking thing either. I think perhaps it is a state of mind as much as anything.
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Re: fat bum

I think snacking is ok if you avoid having meals, then. Exclusive grazers are mostly thin. It's those who graze and have solid meals that pile up cals in no time.
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When you say "depends on the person" do you mean the hormonal changes could potentially bring a certain person to a state where they would generate more energy compared to what they intake, thereby storing the balance as fat and effectively turning into a "perpetuum mobile" machine?
I don't know. I don't think it's that extreme. My point was that it's not the simple equation, there are other factors. I'm not making excuses for people, just saying that it doesn't work the same for everyone. You have to learn what works for you, and for the rest, try not to be too judgmental.

For me, low carbohydrate /low sugar works best with moderate exercise. I don't know if it works well for other people.
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I don't know. I don't think it's that extreme. My point was that it's not the simple equation, there are other factors. I'm not making excuses for people, just saying that it doesn't work the same for everyone. You have to learn what works for you, and for the rest, try not to be too judgmental.
Unfortunately, many people grasp at the 'it's my metabolism' straw to avoid the whole 'radical lifestyle changes needed' thing.

Granted, everyone is different, and granted, some things work better with some people than others - but if you eat more than you burn, you gain weight, and if you eat less than you burn, you lose it. All the metabolic wackyness in the world cannot change the laws of thermodynamics.

Even Scotty cannae break the laws of physics.
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Most of the people I know who skip breakfast have weight-problems.

It's the mid-morning donuts they eat that usually does it

(But they can have them because they missed out on breakfast)

What is this "snacking" thing anyway? Do people really eat so little at meals they they need to re-fuel after an hour or so?
I normally don't eat breakfast, lunch, or snacks.

Tom
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I normally don't eat breakfast, lunch, or snacks.

Tom
Are you slim?
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Are you slim?
I would be if I'd consume less alcohol!

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Re: fat bum

Although it is very simple (calories in vs calories out) some people burn more calories than others doing the same exercise. Some people burn off more calories than others just sitting around not doing much. Some people keep more calories in their body from eating the same as someone else.

There's been some research (can't remember where I read it now) that most people have a set weight which the body naturally strives to keep, and one needs to fight against this if one wants to be a different weight. Plus some chemical concoctions (like fructose) used in many foods trick the body (in this case, you get the fat and energy as if it were sugar without the trigger to tell your brain that you're full).

This all means some people need to work harder than others to keep a low weight.

Two points: First, that's just tough. Smart kids do their homework quicker than the less smart ones. Doesn't mean everyone should just do 30 minutes and stop, it means the less smart ones need to work harder. Second, weight is not an accurate predictor of health and hence life expectancy. Not on its own, anyway.

Note: I'm not an expert in anything I've said above, but I take a keen interest as I've noticed I have a body which I'm quite attached to.
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Although it is very simple (calories in vs calories out) some people burn more calories than others doing the same exercise. Some people burn off more calories than others just sitting around not doing much. Some people keep more calories in their body from eating the same as someone else.
True - that's why you should not tailor the size of your plate on someone else. If you cut down your plate size and you still put on weight - you haven't cut it down enough. Quite simple really.

People would be surprised to see the calorie bombs they're subjecting themselves too. Just because you *can* eat a 40cm dia pizza is not an indication the body actually *needs* it.
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does someone of you have a excel spread or a link where i can find a precise calculator what product has how many calories? i saw a mobile device ages ago that by scanning the product tells you how much calories it has... im not gaining fat but would like to lose 5kgs and keep them down. i do go running 5 km (took a break from it) and swimming 1 km /day by turns (swimming only in summertime and when the pool is not closed due to rain). but i think i still eat too much calories that i dont burn them off well. id like to have a combination of sport and "controlled" consumption. any tips, links? cheers.
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I don't know. I don't think it's that extreme. My point was that it's not the simple equation, there are other factors. I'm not making excuses for people, just saying that it doesn't work the same for everyone. You have to learn what works for you, and for the rest, try not to be too judgmental.

For me, low carbohydrate /low sugar works best with moderate exercise. I don't know if it works well for other people.
I agree, low carb, though not much fun definitely works best. Gary Taubes' "Good Calories, Bad Calories" is an interesting read..
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