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Both the above groups might also have Psychological issues.

If someone is fat because of medical reasons then that is not what I was discussing on this thread. As those peopel are absolutely in the minority.
So when you see someone who doesn't fit your range of "ok", you go up to them an double check why they are fat / too thin so you can show the appropriate response? Wow, you ARE thorough.

You know what? If I put more effort into it, I could probably be a bit slimmer. But since it's already an effort to manage the rest of my life and I am not pleasant company when focused on weight loss, I'll just keep making small changes, try to choose the healthy option over the not-so healthy one as much as possible, etc. Slowly, slowly, the weight comes off but that is not my main goal in life. I've arrived at the conclusion that it will take at least half as long to shed weight that you gained as it took to gain it. Anything quicker and you will either become one of those annoying former fat people who don't talk about anything else or you will be the 90% percent who put it all back on again. Plus some more.

So you think I should try harder? Again, I realise that people who are so fat they can barely walk are a bit difficult to stomach, in fact, I hate sitting next to them on the bus too. But I still maintain that nobody who is truly happy with their life will get to that size, so I feel sadness rather than contempt. Empathy tends to be more constructive than judgement.

Also, consider this - the images in the media are unattainable, so why bother trying? Even if I shed a third of my weight, I would not look like that. Whatever happened to being neither fat nor thin but just "normal" or even, gasp, "average"? Normal is no longer good enough, in trying to attain the impossible women embark on diets, usually without weight bearing exercise, consequently their muscles shrink, they are not happy with the results in the mirror, fall off the waggon, which is doubly lethal with their new "no muscles" lower metabolism and you're off on a journey of lifelong dieting. It's what happened to me and many others I know.
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Ummm say what? Fat people always have a ready made response that skinny people or fashion models are not healthy. So I was only pointing that one does not have to go from one extreme end to another. How about being in the healthy middle? Hence my fat and starving skinny are both unhealthy post.

If that sounds like a back pedal to you then you logic circuit is broken. So just to spell it out for you again I stand by everything I have said on this thread. Majority of the fat people are fat because they eat more than what their body requires, they eat unhealthy, exercise less and can't close their mouth.

Regarding media! Wtf? If you are dumb enough to listen or be influenced by mass media then you have bigger issues than just stuffing your face. Everyone knows what healthy and fit is people just ignore it and make excuses for being too fat or too thin.

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So when you see someone who doesn't fit your range of "ok", you go up to them an double check why they are fat / too thin so you can show the appropriate response?
I am too busy living my life to go up to anyone let alone fat people and giving a shit about their life choices. That does not mean I don't have opinions and occasionally I express them on open internet forum.
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Re: fat bum

I am one of those never satisfied with their weight.

I am 167 cm. I am now fighting to lose my last 4 kilos to get to my "ideal". My ideal of what I consider the max I wish to be. I went down to 48 kilos for a year once. I was very very skinny but I fitted perfectly the actual standard of those girls on the pictures you guys put all over the forum.

I am now 62 kilos and I feel fat and hate it.

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Whatever happened to being neither fat nor thin but just "normal" or even, gasp, "average"?.
I tell you: it's fat. Fat fat fat. (starting with 12-14 UK size)
(but if you feel OK then.....what the hell, good for you...and haters gonna hate)
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It seems that the idea of "thin" or "fat" is quite subjective.

I'm a size 44 here and about 169 cm tall. Some people (especially here in CH) would probably consider me to be overweight. But I actually just had my body-mass-index checked by my doctor, and she said I'm perfectly fine. Having had a baby 8 months ago, I have come to terms with the fact that my body will never be as it was before the pregnancy. And I most certainly will never have the body that I did when I was 20 years old. I have more important things to worry about in life than whether or not I will ever look good in a bikini again.

Anyways, for some people, trying to lose weight is literally like trying to defy their genetic code, because many people are genetically predisposed to become overweight as they age. In fact, most (or all?) of us are the weight we are precisely because of our biological make-up. I saw a well-detailed lecture about this once, and I only wish I could find it online to post a link to it here.

To the shallow guy who posted the photo of the (quote) "beached whale" earlier in this thread, I think it's a bit obvious that that woman probably had children which resulted in her stomach being dis-proportioned to her arms and legs.

I'd rather be fat than shallow.
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Old 26.06.2012, 19:49
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The bikini picture earlier is definitely not due to a pregnancy. It's due to poor eating and lifestyle habits. Which it totally fine if she is happy with it, but as in many cases, there are personal psychological demons to deal with, thus not being happy with one's appearance.
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The bikini picture earlier is definitely not due to a pregnancy. It's due to poor eating and lifestyle habits. Which it totally fine if she is happy with it, but as in many cases, there are personal psychological demons to deal with, thus not being happy with one's appearance.
I disagree. I just had a baby 8 months ago, and my stomach probably doesn't look much better than hers right now, though my arms and legs are the same size they were pre-pregnancy. My doctors have said it's normal, especially because I gave birth C-section. For some women, it takes a long time (or perhaps never) to lose a postpartum belly.

But regardless -- I certainly don't think that woman (or anyone for that matter) deserves to be labeled a "beached whale." Even if the weight is a purely psychological issue from over-eating, I equate making fun of someone for being overweight with making fun of someone for having autism, a missing leg, etc.
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I disagree. I just had a baby 8 months ago, and my stomach probably doesn't look much better than hers right now, though my arms and legs are the same size they were pre-pregnancy. My doctors have said it's normal, especially because I gave birth C-section. For some women, it takes a long time (or perhaps never) to lose a postpartum belly.

But regardless -- I certainly don't think that woman (or anyone for that matter) deserves to be labeled a "beached whale." Even if the weight is a purely psychological issue from over-eating, I equate making fun of someone for being overweight with making fun of someone for having autism, etc.
Agreed with the 'beached whale' comment, such name calling is just rude regardless.

However in this case, the pictured female does not have any children, so the chances of the extra mass coming from pregnancy is extremely unlikely.
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Ummm say what? Fat people always have a ready made response that skinny people or fashion models are not healthy. So I was only pointing that one does not have to go from one extreme end to another. How about being in the healthy middle? Hence my fat and starving skinny are both unhealthy post.

If that sounds like a back pedal to you then you logic circuit is broken. So just to spell it out for you again I stand by everything I have said on this thread. Majority of the fat people are fat because they eat more than what their body requires, they eat unhealthy, exercise less and can't close their mouth.

Regarding media! Wtf? If you are dumb enough to listen or be influenced by mass media then you have bigger issues than just stuffing your face. Everyone knows what healthy and fit is people just ignore it and make excuses for being too fat or too thin.

I am too busy living my life to go up to anyone let alone fat people and giving a shit about their life choices. That does not mean I don't have opinions and occasionally I express them on open internet forum.
Models represent a very small portion of society - basically the the 2nd percentile of population for weight compared to height. So suddenly the other 98% is trying to achieve something that only the constitutionally thin achieve. Thin people are healthy or unhealthy, I have no idea.

I said you backpedaled because all of a sudden you excluded from your ire people who were fat for a medical reason. Where did that come from?

You know the saying opinions are like assholes, everyone's got them? Well you're welcome to your opinion, albeit poorly informed.

There is a lot of research - good research on the impact of mass media on how women view themselves. Something like 80% of women are dissatisfied with their appearance. It's socially unacceptable for women to say nice things about themselves - others tend to think they're snotty and stuck up.

Young women grow anxious when reading fashion magazines. They worry about their appearance and engage in disordered eating practices that might set them up for weight cycling later on. They're not dumb and most of them aren't even fat. They're nice, normal women whose time would be better spent on other activities. You want a peer reviewed bibliography of studies conducted on this segment of the population? I've got it.

I'm satisfied with my appearance. But more important, I'm happy with my life. I'm not happy that I've wasted today reading and responding to this nonsense.
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obesity /obes·i·ty/ (o-bēs´ĭ-te) an increase in body weight beyond the limitation of skeletal and physical requirements, as the result of excessive accumulation of body fat

A selection of definitions, but the line is usually drawn at the point where the fat itself becomes too much for the body to bear.
That is probably the best definition that I have ever heard, Hut ab!
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Models represent a very small portion of society - basically the the 2nd percentile of population for weight compared to height. So suddenly the other 98% is trying to achieve something that only the constitutionally thin achieve.
Well the people who are trying to achieve that are stupid then. I am not part of that 98%. Constitutionally thin? Wtf is that? I have 2 sisters and 3 brothers all very fat! I am the only one who is fit. They eat all kind of junk food never exercise regularly like me but they act as if I am naturally fit while they are constitutionally fat!
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I said you backpedaled because all of a sudden you excluded from your ire people who were fat for a medical reason. Where did that come from?
People who have limbs missing and can't exercise easily, people who might have heart problems from birth, people who might be seriously ill and piling on the weight due to not being able to function normally etc Not people who were born normal but started stuffing their face as grown up adults because oh! life is so tough. Life is tough in it's own way for everyone.
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There is a lot of research - good research on the impact of mass media on how women view themselves. Something like 80% of women are dissatisfied with their appearance. It's socially unacceptable for women to say nice things about themselves - others tend to think they're snotty and stuck up.
I have always been attracted to people who do their own thing because it is the healthy thing to do and not because of some group or media pressure. I would say 100% of humans to some degree are dissatisfied with some part of their life or body. Pass the tissue please!
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Young women grow anxious when reading fashion magazines. They worry about their appearance and engage in disordered eating practices that might set them up for weight cycling later on.
If grown up adults can't exercise self control and continue blaming their teenage years for loss of control then maybe they are smart enough only to stuff their face.
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I'm not happy that I've wasted today reading and responding to this nonsense.
Were you forced to respond at gunpoint?

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I have empathy for starving thin people who can't get one square meal a day because of being born in poor parts of the world. I have zero empathy for self made fat people who can't stop eating because oh it's so hard to resist. Go hang with your fat buddies, you ain't getting any sympathy from me.
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It's not without some irony the fat bum thread is right next to the Swiss chocolate right now on the "new posts" list...
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People who have limbs missing and can't exercise easily, people who might have heart problems from birth, people who might be seriously ill and piling on the weight due to not being able to function normally etc

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I have empathy for starving thin people who can't get one square meal a day because of being born in poor parts of the world. I have zero empathy for self made fat people who can't stop eating because oh it's so hard to resist. Go hang with your fat buddies, you ain't getting any sympathy from me.
I want neither sympathy nor empathy from you. Stuff it.

As it happens, I do know what it's like to be seriously ill and pile on the pounds - last year I had steroids and all sorts of shit so I could tolerate chemotherapy. It made me gain weight (I've lost that weight now). It's horrible to feel so out of control though.

But I was never as irrationally angry and nasty as you are now. So thank you. I suppose I should give you positive rep..... nah. Can't go that far!
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Sadly, I think it's rather obvious from his self-appointed profile name that this guy doesn't care about who he offends... and perhaps even takes pleasure in offending people.

Mr. HGH... I think you could use a few courses in Biology and Anthropology.
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Sadly, I think it's rather obvious from his self-appointed profile name that this guy doesn't care about who he offends... and perhaps even takes pleasure in offending people.

Mr. HGH... I think you could use a few courses in Biology and Anthropology.
To be honest, I think he is an old troll ghost of this forum. His style is not new and I am prett sure of who he is.

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I'm a size 44 here and about 169 cm tall. Some people (especially here in CH) would probably consider me to be overweight. But I actually just had my body-mass-index checked by my doctor, and she said I'm perfectly fine. Having had a baby 8 months ago, I have come to terms with the fact that my body will never be as it was before the pregnancy. And I most certainly will never have the body that I did when I was 20 years old. I have more important things to worry about in life than whether or not I will ever look good in a bikini again.
This is not necessarily so! How much do you exercise? Possibly it will get back in shape if you have some regular physical activity.
I got 3 kids, ride a bike for an hour or so every day and look great in a bikini
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Hey Nil, when are you and the family gonna come down from Catalunya for a BBQ in Valencia? Might be a nice weekend trip for you guys?

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To be honest, I think he is an old troll ghost of this forum. His style is not new and I am prett sure of who he is.

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I am one of those never satisfied with their weight.

I am 167 cm. I am now fighting to lose my last 4 kilos to get to my "ideal". My ideal of what I consider the max I wish to be. I went down to 48 kilos for a year once. I was very very skinny but I fitted perfectly the actual standard of those girls on the pictures you guys put all over the forum.

I am now 62 kilos and I feel fat and hate it.

I so understand, my wife is 165cm and complaining that she is 60kg rather than 57!

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A fun way to be aware about what you are eating is (as already mentioned by several in this thread) the free app myFitnessPal. You can type in the name of any product ... or scan the bar codes ... and a huge list comes up. Most foods are findable, American, British, Aussie and even Swiss brand names too. If you can't find it in there, you can scan a product and add it in for others to use (Migris and Coop are there, Starbucks, Lindt). Cool. Oh and it tells you at the end of each day total cals and what you'd weigh in 5 wks if you continued at today's calories intake which is clearly just indicative but motivating!!!!

And if it's dinner time and you've got no calories left you can go for a walk or hop on the bike and then type that in and you're under your target again. It gives daily and weekly summaries also about nutritional value of what you've consumed (indicative). And you can invite friends to cheer you on (they can only see what you allow them to see, eg that you didn't log on at the weekend, or that you did a 10k run today etc).

It has definitely increased my awareness of what I eat. I find that at the weekend I consume more (wine) so I try and get the whole week to come within the caloric as well as nutritional targets, forgiving myself for the bad days ... which are not even that "bad". It's really fun and I'm losing weight slowly and surely. You can invite friends, so I do it with some girlfriends from around the globe. Although we are a variety of sizes and shapes and different medical backgrounds .... with different goals ... we are all a similar age and trying to combat the reality that it's harder the older we get.

HIGHLY RECOMMEND myFitnessPal.com /iPhone app
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