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Immigrants difficult to integrate into Swiss...

I was just curious, that out of all foreigners be it Asylum seekers or work immigrants, which ones ( by nation ) are most difficult to integrate into the Swiss culture & society?

I've heard now and then, that the Sri lankans are liked by far of all others, because they integrate well... Not sure, about what to make of that, even though i have yet to see one myself.

Also, who are the less-liked ones? I have no idea.
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Do you really think you can apply that rule to an entire nation? Isn't that the definition of stereotyping?

I'm a Brit and I've integrated pretty well, learned the language, got Swiss friends, my child is in the Swiss school system and yet I know other Brits that struggle to say "Danke", put their kids in international school and only mix with English speaking people.
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Re: Immigrants difficult to integrate into Swiss...

I agree. I do not think that integration has to do with the nation you are coming from...


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Do you really think you can apply that rule to an entire nation? Isn't that the definition of stereotyping?

I'm a Brit and I've integrated pretty well, learned the language, got Swiss friends, my child is in the Swiss school system and yet I know other Brits that struggle to say "Danke", put their kids in international school and only mix with English speaking people.
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Re: Immigrants difficult to integrate into Swiss...

I was refering to a majoriry not as a nation
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Re: Immigrants difficult to integrate into Swiss...

Probably people who bond and try to retain their culture, language, etc... Some people like to be with people of their own... I hardly see Somalis integrating anywhere, mostly but few do intergate. Same as few Indians, Ethiopians etc
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I've heard now and then, that the Sri lankans are liked by far of all others, because they integrate well... Not sure, about what to make of that, even though i have yet to see one myself.
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I was referring to a majority not as a nation
So is Sri Lanka not a nation any more?
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... Sri lankans are liked by far of all others, because they integrate well... Not sure, about what to make of that, even though i have yet to see one myself.



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Also, who are the less-liked ones? I have no idea.
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I was refering to a majoriry not as a nation
it's not about majoriry but about the efforts and interests that every individuals put into integration.

For example honking for hours at night, from Portuguese football team fans is definitely not a good behavior to integrate. Especially that it can bother many people and lead to resentments toward the member of that "community" from any other citizen.

Anyway I don't see what kind of scientific observation are you going to have from such a thread. Are you seriously considering a decent "observation" based on our comments? This topic has absolutely no relevance for a decent explanation of integration.


In another topic I would say that real Integration is hardly possible with the new trend of 2000-2010: "communities". For me it's beyond integration and only leads to re-creating the worlds issues locally. For example neighborhoods of blacks in the UK, neighborhoids of Pakistaneses, etc... When it's all ok it might seem to works but when anything sparkle, such as the previous riots in the UK, you start to see the fights between communities (ie Pakistaneses VS Blacks, etc...). A bit like the old fashionned Tutsi VS outu in Rwanda, or the French VS Germans a while ago.

Anyway, it's not really relevant to your topic.
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Re: Immigrants difficult to integrate into Swiss...

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So is Sri Lanka not a nation any more?
I said " Sri lankans " NOT " Sri Lanka "



Don't be quick to judge .. Or hate!
Obviously, contrary to your myopic perception of the fact, there will always be those who can integrate well than othes. Like the Germans would integrate in Swiss than say... Somalians because (Gosh.. I feel like idiot explaining this ) Germany and Swiss people share a lot than ........ ( work it out, you can DO IT! I believe in you.)
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Re: Immigrants difficult to integrate into Swiss...

Germans are the best integrated, Italians the most liked.
People from the Maghreb are probably the least liked at the moment in Switzerland for obvious reasons.
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I said " Sri lankans " NOT " Sri Lanka "



Don't be quick to judge .. Or hate!
Obviously, contrary to your myopic perception of the fact, there will always be those who can integrate well than othes. Like the Germans would integrate in Swiss than say... Somalians because (Gosh.. I feel like idiot explaining this ) Germany and Swiss people share a lot than ........ ( work it out, you can DO IT! I believe in you.)
Which bit of my posts were "judging" or "hating"? Feel free to quote and make them bold so I can see what you mean.

I agree that there will always be people that can and cannot integrate but my point is that you can't make a sweeping statement and say that "the Germans" or "the Sri Lankans" integrate better than other nations (or "majorities" as you describe them).
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I heard TEXANS integrate really well. Thats because of the lax gun laws, low taxs, low crime rates and hands-off government that AMERICA was built on!!!!!

Its too bad none of them can get working visas
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Re: Immigrants difficult to integrate into Swiss...

Ive met lots of very very nice Sri Lankans in Switzerland.

But I have yet to see any of the integrate well.

They typically, in my experience, hang out with other auslanders and dont really have too many Swiss friends. Half of my Klubschule was Sri Lankan. First class people, but after seeing a few of them last month it was obvious that they still hadnt integrated.

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I heard TEXANS integrate really well. Thats because of the lax gun laws, low taxs, low crime rates and hands-off government that AMERICA was built on!!!!!

Its too bad none of them can get working visas
They even have something more in common with us Swiss. Nobody understands them outside their country
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Re: Immigrants difficult to integrate into Swiss...

I cannot integrate, I'm not bad enough at graffiti, although I do excel at staring.
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For example neighborhoods of blacks in the UK, neighborhoids of Pakistaneses, etc... When it's all ok it might seem to works but when anything sparkle, such as the previous riots in the UK, you start to see the fights between communities (ie Pakistaneses VS Blacks, etc...). A bit like the old fashionned Tutsi VS outu in Rwanda, or the French VS Germans a while ago.
I don't think you can compare riots in London with Genocide in Rwanda!
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I was just curious, that out of all foreigners be it Asylum seekers or work immigrants, which ones ( by nation ) are most difficult to integrate into the Swiss culture & society?

I've heard now and then, that the Sri lankans are liked by far of all others, because they integrate well... Not sure, about what to make of that, even though i have yet to see one myself.

Also, who are the less-liked ones? I have no idea.
While the Tamils in Switzerland ARE a success-story indeed, integration generally is what individuals do

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I was refering to a majoriry not as a nation
there are no "majorities" as ethnic groups at a close look become simply lots of individuals

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Probably people who bond and try to retain their culture, language, etc... Some people like to be with people of their own... I hardly see Somalis integrating anywhere, mostly but few do intergate. Same as few Indians, Ethiopians etc
retaining their culture and language is no hindrance against integration ! Tamils were mentioned above, an ethnic group which is very proud about their culture. Italians, Portuguese and many others even are organiszed in a way which has BOTH aims, and that is to keep the culture of their country of origin alive while at the same time integrating into the "guest country"

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Germans are the best integrated, Italians the most liked.
People from the Maghreb are probably the least liked at the moment in Switzerland for obvious reasons.
No, no, no, do not generalize, people from the Maghreb are well liked far around, in spite of some sh... produced by criminals who used the turmoil to get released from prison, as Europe (incl CH) suddenly saw them as "political prisoners". I mean it was remarkable. For decades even Amnesty Int'l in case of Hosni Mubarak and Abidine Ben Ali spoke about 100 to 300 political prisoners, but after the two men were toppled, all of Europe suddenly spoke about THOUSANDS of "political prisoners" and practically forced the new regimes to release thousands. And now, some people are astonished.

If you want to sample CAMEL MILK on a CAMEL FARM in 8154 Oberglatt (Bens Kamelfarm, Im Hof 20) or enjoy grilled meat etc etc. The event takes place on next Saturday 11.00-21.00 and Sunday 10.00-19.00. My guess is that Mr Ben Salem (of Tunisian origin) launched the event not ouf of sheer coincidence. But rather follows the advice of Egyptian born Prof Dr Amin (Amin Travel) and also of Prof Dr Abdel-Aziz (also Eg. origin) (www.diwan.ch) who both appeal to other Arabs here to tackle the matter from a positive side and move ahead !
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Re: Immigrants difficult to integrate into Swiss...

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Do you really think you can apply that rule to an entire nation? Isn't that the definition of stereotyping?

I'm a Brit and I've integrated pretty well, learned the language, got Swiss friends, my child is in the Swiss school system and yet I know other Brits that struggle to say "Danke", put their kids in international school and only mix with English speaking people.
But what does "integration" really mean? Does it mean that everyone has to fit one sterotype? I am inclined to think that with the number of non-Swiss residents in this country, that many people have settled well, abiding by the Swiss laws and norms, but also retaining their own culture and sometimes language, whether that is from another European country, or elsewhere in the world. Does that make their residency here any less valid? Personally, I like places that have a rich diversity of culture living alongside each other.
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But what does "integration" really mean? Does it mean that everyone has to fit one sterotype? I am inclined to think that with the number of non-Swiss residents in this country, that many people have settled well, abiding by the Swiss laws and norms, but also retaining their own culture and sometimes language, whether that is from another European country, or elsewhere in the world. Does that make their residency here any less valid? Personally, I like places that have a rich diversity of culture living alongside each other.
Well, exactly. Integration is a completely subjective thing so to ask which "group" of people integrates the best is probably the equivalent of asking "how long is a piece of blue string" .
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