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Junkies getting a fix in the middle of the day in center Bern

I've been in Switzerland 3 years now and absolutely adore it. Having lived in Amsterdam, New York and Milano before - I have to say I have never ever seen such thing as today. I was so shocked that I didn't believe my eyes.

Went to visit Bern today, parked the car on the open parking lot just behind the Bern train station. Just in front of the parking there is a bridge or elevated road and tunnel, if you know the exact place, I forgot the name of the parking. But really 30 seconds walking distance from Bern central station.

I came back to my car around 6 pm to find some 10 meters away 2 persons (one woman mid 40s and another man mid 20) shaking and getting undress with needles in their hands trying to get a fix. Thank God I was with an adult friend who was as shocked as I was, I watched and witnessed for 2 junkies getting a fix with a needle one in the foot another in another private area of their body.

Was I dreaming to see this today? This was not some remote industrial area, this was Bern center where people with children walk around. I had to video the event in case someone doesn't believe me.

What the hell the police is doing in this city, I saw a lot of cop cars cruising around in the center, are they fighting things like this at all?

Still shocked. I had a very dear friend who died of OD at age 20 and this things really creep me out. Don't know what to say.
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Old 08.07.2012, 23:21
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Re: Junkies getting a fix in the middle of the day in center Bern

You must have parked around Reithalle ... Switzerland's Junkie & Alternative heaven. It's been and still is a big political issue. They don't go in because they don't want the open drug scene to spread all over town (and especially the government buildings, wouldn't that be a shame).
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Re: Junkies getting a fix in the middle of the day in center Bern

Wow. You lived in Amsterdam (of all places) and never saw that before?
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Old 08.07.2012, 23:30
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Re: Junkies getting a fix in the middle of the day in center Bern

They were doing that in Bern when I lived there in 1997, it is nothing new in Bern or Switzerland. 20 years ago the infamous Needle Park in Zurich was shut down. http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/Ten_year...ml?cid=2517882
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Wow. You lived in Amsterdam (of all places) and never saw that before?
Have YOU ever been to Amsterdam ? Do you know the difference between Pot and Heroin ?
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Old 08.07.2012, 23:36
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Wow. You lived in Amsterdam (of all places) and never saw that before?
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Have YOU ever been to Amsterdam ? Do you know the difference between Pot and Heroin ?
It was like that when I was there in the late '80's - Vondelpark was a favourite haunt.
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Re: Junkies getting a fix in the middle of the day in center Bern

I remember going into a public loo in Geneva and two people were shooting up in there - was most surprised when they apologised as I must have looked really shocked.
I remember asking why some loos in shopping areas had a "blue light" - the answer I received was that it discouraged that practice -( and I thought it was because they were using some sort of energy saving lightbulb )
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Re: Junkies getting a fix in the middle of the day in center Bern

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You must have parked around Reithalle ... Switzerland's Junkie & Alternative heaven. It's been and still is a big political issue. They don't go in because they don't want the open drug scene to spread all over town (and especially the government buildings, wouldn't that be a shame).
Is this Bern's version of Zurich's needle park, or something completely different?

EDIT: now I see I was answered above. sorry, pls ignore me
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Have YOU ever been to Amsterdam ? Do you know the difference between Pot and Heroin ?
I have a close friend who lived in Amsterdam for seven years and told me that she often saw people shooting up (heroin) in public there. And if I remember correctly, the Dutch authorities turn a bit of a blind eye toward BOTH heroin and pot.

This is why I was surprised that the OP never saw anyone doing that in Amsterdam.
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I remember going into a public loo in Geneva and two people were shooting up in there - was most surprised when they apologised as I must have looked really shocked.
I remember asking why some loos in shopping areas had a "blue light" - the answer I received was that it discouraged that practice -( and I thought it was because they were using some sort of energy saving lightbulb )
actually heard it was to sterilize the germs but i honestly have no idea if that's true.

anyway, i'm with you on the sadness- but usually they try to contain this to certain areas so it's not all over the city. saw the same in lyon a few months back and it bugged me all night. growing up in nyc we would see the after effects- people blanking out while putting sugar in their coffee at starbucks and the like. not pretty, especially when you know there are kids around.
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actually heard it was to sterilize the germs but i honestly have no idea if that's true.
No man, the blue light makes 'em sick.
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Re: Junkies getting a fix in the middle of the day in center Bern

I must say that the drug users I had contact with in Bern were incredibly polite and nothing like the stereotypical junkie from places like Edinburgh (think Trainspotting). One guy politely excused himself while heating up his heroin in a spoon and moved as he was blocking a door way, he actually apologised in perfect English for being in the way.
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Re: Junkies getting a fix in the middle of the day in center Bern

I was told that the blue light makes them unable to find their veins.

Icky.

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I've been in Switzerland 3 years now and absolutely adore it. Having lived in Amsterdam, New York and Milano before - I have to say I have never ever seen such thing as today. I was so shocked that I didn't believe my eyes.

Went to visit Bern today, parked the car on the open parking lot just behind the Bern train station. Just in front of the parking there is a bridge or elevated road and tunnel, if you know the exact place, I forgot the name of the parking. But really 30 seconds walking distance from Bern central station.

I came back to my car around 6 pm to find some 10 meters away 2 persons (one woman mid 40s and another man mid 20) shaking and getting undress with needles in their hands trying to get a fix. Thank God I was with an adult friend who was as shocked as I was, I watched and witnessed for 2 junkies getting a fix with a needle one in the foot another in another private area of their body.

Was I dreaming to see this today? This was not some remote industrial area, this was Bern center where people with children walk around. I had to video the event in case someone doesn't believe me.

What the hell the police is doing in this city, I saw a lot of cop cars cruising around in the center, are they fighting things like this at all?

Still shocked. I had a very dear friend who died of OD at age 20 and this things really creep me out. Don't know what to say.
Absolutely horrible, they should ship them off to a rundown industrial area...how dare they disturb the society!!!
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Re: Junkies getting a fix in the middle of the day in center Bern

Really, I spent almost 2 years living in Amsterdam and never witnessed somebody getting a fix. This was back in 2004, I remember mushrooms were available in specialized shops, but I could never see somebody fixing up heroin on the street in broad daylight.

I checked on google maps to find this place but I have no luck. There were a lot of cars and some buses on the parking, it is metered parking with 3h MAX time. There is grafiti under the bridge or tunnel on one side and residential area like houses on the other. I think this parking was marked by signs when you follow Bern Zentrum and than Bahnhof signs for parking when you get off the highway coming from Geneva.

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Absolutely horrible, they should ship them off to a rundown industrial area...how dare they disturb the society!!!
Is this supposed to be funny? My friend who is in his mid 50s who was more shocked than me has 2 small children. They were planned to come along on this trip but their mother had to work today. Imagine if a 5 yo and 11 yo old witnessed this?! How the hell are you supposed to know that this can be a junkie place when you are like 200 meters away from the main train station and like 500m away from the Parliament of Switzerland?
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Re: Junkies getting a fix in the middle of the day in center Bern

honestly though that is part of being a parent. it sucks but you can't keep them in a bubble and you hope they see the ugliness of it so it's not glamorous or curious. my son has seen people here in lausanne in the riponne (the area where it all happens, right in the center)and though he's older (11) he is aware that this is something that isn't ok. he often says, 'how can they take care of their dogs if they aren't even taking care of themselves'.

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...Imagine if a 5 yo and 11 yo old witnessed this?!...
oh the horror, don't be such a drama queen, disclose children to the real world...can't have that can we...my son wouldn't even look because he is also getting daily shoots...
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Re: Junkies getting a fix in the middle of the day in center Bern

Solution simple, shoot the buggers like they do in Malaisia, sorry I would not know what else to do.
The "just say 'NO'" approach don't work, the live and let live approach don't work, all education and threats and therapy and god knows what else over the last enlightened 50 liberalalala years don't work.
What's left?
Can society live with junkies? Simple yes or no!
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I was told that the blue light makes them unable to find their veins.

Icky.
Quoted for truth, saw this on the news when they first started doing that in UK
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Re: Junkies getting a fix in the middle of the day in center Bern

These junkies are all around the train station and also down by the river...

I wish they would just do it out of sight. At least there is not a lot
of burglaries and robberies associated with it like in the US.
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