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Driving nightmare

hello all

i have just moved to zurich and other than getting more than my fair share of parking and speeding fines i am needing to change my license over.
i am on a german passport, have a south african drivers (its real, did not buy it) and used to have a UK license.
when i went back to SA i had to hand in my UK card (still have the paper one)
now that i am here they want me to resit my driving test!!!!!!
im in a state! is there anyway i can get uk to send me a new license without actually living there?
that would be great then i would not need to break out in a sweat and feel like i am 18yrs old again (which was not a great time for me)
i have another 9 months where i can drive on my SA one but need to get this sorted

thanx in advance for any help
and pls pls pls no sarky comments like "why not just do your test again" "if your driving is good enough you should not have to worry"
seriously folks - i don't need the stress of sitting through that again
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Old 12.07.2012, 14:04
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Re: Driving nightmare

wow!! there's a lot of info there...

to start with;

what nationality are you? German?
where did take your test and when?
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Re: Driving nightmare

Yes I'm German
Had my license for over 20yrs
Have a uk one too but had to hand the card in to swop to a SA one
Same as I have to do here
Hand SA one in to get Swiss one.
Being a SA one they want me to resit test, if I had a uk card I would not have to
Ssssoooooooooo I want to know how to get uk to re issue card license if I don't live there now?
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Yes I'm German
Had my license for over 20yrs
Have a uk one too but had to hand the card in to swop to a SA one
Same as I have to do here
Hand SA one in to get Swiss one.
Being a SA one they want me to resit test, if I had a uk card I would not have to
Ssssoooooooooo I want to know how to get uk to re issue card license if I don't live there now?
Did you take the test in DE or UK?

I would call the DVLA and tell them you are no longer in SA and ask them to re=instate your licence and make it active again, you can then use your paper with the SVKA. If you took your test in Germany you could ask for a re issue of that licence.
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Re: Driving nightmare

Sadly they said they won't accept the paper one ONLY a card.
This is why I am asking how to get card re issued when I dont live in uk!
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Old 12.07.2012, 14:32
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Re: Driving nightmare

I think the biggest problem you might face (but I am not entirely sure about this) is that even if you get a driving license card from the UK or Germany at the moment, the issue date will be XX.XX.2012 which will be after you have become Swiss resident thus they will not accept it or even will say that you needed to have it 6 months or 1 year before you became Swiss resident.

But best is to ask the administration there, reading through files when I was converting mine I think I read this IF I understood it correctly.
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Sadly they said they won't accept the paper one ONLY a card.
This is why I am asking how to get card re issued when I dont live in uk!

i had this issue when i tried to change my license over - the person would not accept that the paper version were still valid and insisted on a photocard licence, asking to speak to the manager resulted in " ok ill allow it this time but never again"
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hello all

i have just moved to zurich and other than getting more than my fair share of parking and speeding fines i am needing to change my license over.
i am on a german passport, have a south african drivers (its real, did not buy it) and used to have a UK license.
when i went back to SA i had to hand in my UK card (still have the paper one)
now that i am here they want me to resit my driving test!!!!!!
im in a state! is there anyway i can get uk to send me a new license without actually living there?
that would be great then i would not need to break out in a sweat and feel like i am 18yrs old again (which was not a great time for me)
i have another 9 months where i can drive on my SA one but need to get this sorted

thanx in advance for any help
and pls pls pls no sarky comments like "why not just do your test again" "if your driving is good enough you should not have to worry"
seriously folks - i don't need the stress of sitting through that again
Maybe that's why they want you to take the test again.
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i had this issue when i tried to change my license over - the person would not accept that the paper version were still valid and insisted on a photocard licence, asking to speak to the manager resulted in " ok ill allow it this time but never again"
Exactly, because in fact the paper is the actual licence, the card is a scaled down version and it's the paper one you have to use for UK cops and courts.

Thus phone the DVLA in Swansea
Telephone: 0300 790 6801
Fax: 0300 123 0784
+44 (0)1792 786 369 (Drivers Abroad)

Quote your drivers number and ask them them to reinstate the licence status, if you have friends or family there you could ask them to send the card to them as a C/O address. Explain the situation to them, if they won't send a card to a C/O address then inform the SVKA that you cannot get a card copy as you are no longer aUK res, you moved here. There are many people I knew up to recently that never even had the ID card version!
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This all sounds too stressful. I had a SA license and had to do the test. Test took 20 minutes and wasn't stressful at all. It's not a proper license test. I think they just want to see that you are going to drive on the wrong (right hand) side of the road and you're not going to kill anybody. Simples!
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Re: Driving nightmare

DVLA can only issue a license to a UK resident however they can issue a certificate of entitlement, which states the dates test passed etc & what groups.
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Test took 20 minutes and wasn't stressful at all. It's not a proper license test. I think they just want to see that you are going to drive on the wrong (right hand) side of the road and you're not going to kill anybody. Simples!
All true;

however, if you fail for one reason or the other (sh** happens),

you cannot repeat the exam but have to redo it all up again from zero.


I didn't really understand where the OP got his original license, in SA or the UK?

If the answer is SA, than it was a mistake to hand in the UK converted license when leaving UK so the challenge is to regain it (as saint7uk pointed out how maybe it could work).

If it is UK, there shouldn't be any real problem except bureaucracy stuff.
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Re: Driving nightmare

phone dvla, say you are living back in the UK and ask them what you need to do to get the UK licence back, give a friends address if required.

keep it simple and dont complicate matters by saying living in CH etc,
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Re: Driving nightmare

I'm assuming that the issue is that you have a driving licence from a country of which you are not a natural, and that therefore, getting a UK one would not make any difference, unless it's an EU/Swiss thing. Have you asked them that?

What are the chances of replacing the SA one for a German one, and then swapping that for Swiss? Slim I guess as you are no longer resident, but you presumably have family there, and can use that address. But V__'s point probably invalidates that.

But I'd be interested to know the Strassenverkehrsamt's reasoning if you have been resident here less than 12 months, regardless of where your licence is from. They must have had this scenario before.
After 12 months, forget it. Retest
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Re: Driving nightmare

the issue is that ch sees the sa licence as being crap and with poor driving standards.. sa nationals also have to take the test.

licences can be swapped even if you have been resident for several years, depending on where the licence was issued of course
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Re: Driving nightmare

Further to my last, this is your problem http://www.stva.zh.ch/internet/siche...umschreib.html

South Africa's not in there unfortunately. But reading further, you have to make a "Kontrollfahrt", which is not the same as a full test. Only if you fail it must you retest.
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But reading further, you have to make a "Kontrollfahrt", which is not the same as a full test. Only if you fail it must you retest.
Kontrolfahrt is equal to a full test without the parking test but it is MORE demanding and more difficult than a normal test as they expect you to be VERY good driver and show that you can cope with everyday traffic without any hesitation.

If you fail the kontrolfahrt you are banned from driving in Switzerland and your license is not valid in CH anymore and you have to start the driving lessons from scratch as if you never had a license.
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Re: Driving nightmare

As long as you don't mind telling the DVLA a little porkie that you are 'Temporarily abroad', you can do the following and have the photocard delivered to you in Switzerland.

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How do you obtain a replacement driving licence if yours is lost or stolen?

Conclusion
  • complete a D1 application form, available from the Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (DVLA) form ordering service or from Post Office® branches
  • enter your Great Britain (GB) address details in section one of the D1 application form
  • if you wish to change your photograph, you will need to enclose one passport-type and size colour photograph, signed by a suitable person
  • if your name has changed, include original identity documentation confirming your new name
  • enclose the fee of £20.00, cheque or postal orders made payable to ‘DVLA, Swansea’
  • enclose the photocard or paper counterpart you still have in your possession
  • send your completed application to DVLA, Swansea, SA99 1AB
  • a driving licence can be posted to an address abroad if you enclose a signed letter stating your full name, date of birth, the GB address shown on the driving licence and your address abroad
  • inform the police if your driving licence has been stolen
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As long as you don't mind telling the DVLA a little porkie that you are 'Temporarily abroad', you can do the following and have the photocard delivered to you in Switzerland.
Problem with this is, as the OP has already changed the UK license for a SA one in SA, she had to give back the UK on to the authorities in SA and after that they send back the license to the UK to be annulled.

So when you go back to live in the UK, DVLA will issue you another new UK license on the basis of the SA one.

I think the DVLA knows that OP changed license in SA and the point of converting licenses is you not to have multiple...
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Re: Driving nightmare

if its been swapped then maybe the sa authories have informed dvla - doubt it given the state of the country but wonders may happen.

the UK address might be the issue for a lost/stolen licence.

give dvla a call on the status of your UK licence, remember you have "returned to the UK" they dont bite!
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