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moving to Basel in October, wil be earning 170K with 100k for 4 childrens private schooling. My questions are:

1 where and how much can we get a 4 bedroom house. i dont understand the 4.5 rooms bit.

2 if I bring my uk tv and skybox, will it work and do i need the satellite dish too, or do i plug in the aerial into the box?

3 are the telephone plug sockets the same, so in other words are uk phones going to work.

4 is the broadband wireless or plugged in via ethernet. if wireless should i bring sky or virgin router as i have both also have an old wireless router.

5 what is the equivalent of UK AA or greenflag car breakdown service.

6 as the red meat is half kg import p/p p/d what if the whole family goes shopping including children, or is it only for over 18's.

7 how much are 2 pin uk to european sockets?

sorry for the long list of questions, pls answer what you can
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moving to Basel in October, wil be earning 170K with 100k for 4 childrens private schooling. My questions are:

1 where and how much can we get a 4 bedroom house. i dont understand the 4.5 rooms bit.

2 if I bring my uk tv and skybox, will it work and do i need the satellite dish too, or do i plug in the aerial into the box?

3 are the telephone plug sockets the same, so in other words are uk phones going to work.

4 is the broadband wireless or plugged in via ethernet. if wireless should i bring sky or virgin router as i have both also have an old wireless router.

5 what is the equivalent of UK AA or greenflag car breakdown service.

6 as the red meat is half kg import p/p p/d what if the whole family goes shopping including children, or is it only for over 18's.

7 how much are 2 pin uk to european sockets?

sorry for the long list of questions, pls answer what you can
Welcome to the forum.

May I ask where you are moving from?

In answer to your questions:

1. Look for 5.5 rooms, the living room and kitchen count as 1.5
2. People here do manage to use Sky. I dont. I believe a dish is required. Others may be able help on this. Not entirely sure how legal it is, but pubs have sky, somehow.
3. No I dont think telephone sockets are the same
4. Wireless. Maybe bringing router will work, but would likely be easier to subscribe to one of two main cable companies instead of trying to set up sky, whereby you will be provided a wireless router dependent on plan.
5. Pass
6. I dont understand the question
7. Erm....10-15CHF or thereabouts I think
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moving to Basel in October, wil be earning 170K with 100k for 4 childrens private schooling. My questions are:

1 where and how much can we get a 4 bedroom house. i dont understand the 4.5 rooms bit.

2 if I bring my uk tv and skybox, will it work and do i need the satellite dish too, or do i plug in the aerial into the box?

3 are the telephone plug sockets the same, so in other words are uk phones going to work.

4 is the broadband wireless or plugged in via ethernet. if wireless should i bring sky or virgin router as i have both also have an old wireless router.

5 what is the equivalent of UK AA or greenflag car breakdown service.

6 as the red meat is half kg import p/p p/d what if the whole family goes shopping including children, or is it only for over 18's.

7 how much are 2 pin uk to european sockets?

sorry for the long list of questions, pls answer what you can
Strange selection of Q's for someone that's going to be on a better package than the majority of Swiss.

Swiss plug sockets are different to Fr, De, It, etc. - there is no European standard - cut of your UK plug and re-wire A Swiss one at CHF1.20 a piece.

Surprise, surprise - phone sockets aren't the same as UK, but it is possible to buy phones here that work, as is routers, including that modern thing of wifi - sometimes they even come "free" from the provider.

Car breakdown is provided by TCS, ACS, or included in car insurance (but a bit hit and miss, so worth paying for).

One and a half rooms is usually living room and kitchen - all additional rooms should be bedrooms ..... lets just hope they have bathrooms and loos too. Crazy Swiss advertising.

If I recall, satellite TV, require satellite dishes and not aerials, in any country, including CH; and the satellites are far enough away that I think the same ones can be used from UK and CH. Cable's good.

Re. meat - on your salary, support the country that employs you/in which you live and buy Swiss, if you don't want to see the same happen here as has beset UK farmers ..... you can afford it.

Why is it that the people that earn well, seem the stingiest?

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Re: cost of living

we are moving from UK,

thanks for the reply q.5 is:

the import limit on red meat such as lamb is half kg..

so if me and my husband went shopping in germany would we be able to buy 1kg and if our 2 children were with us could we buy and import 2 kg or is it per adult.
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we are moving from UK,

thanks for the reply q.5 is:

the import limit on red meat such as lamb is half kg..

so if me and my husband went shopping in germany would we be able to buy 1kg and if our 2 children were with us could we buy and import 2 kg or is it per adult.
A fellow Brit, cool. I was only checking to see whether you was American re: your schooling benefit. Americans often surprised they are taxed at home on that, but moving on...

Ahh, I see. Erm, well I dont do the whole import thing, so again will leave to another member to help you out there. The way I understand it though, factoring petrol, time, etc, into import, and possibly limits too, its not much different, but maybe for family your size it is worth while.

It pays to approach local farmers. I for example can put my name down and the farmer will email when a cow, pig etc is being slaughtered. You can buy in baulk at a reasonabl price.
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Re: cost of living

2. Sky will work. You will need a satellite dish, maybe bigger than most Ive seen in the UK. Not that big a cost if you buy one yourself and set it up.

The subscription for sports, premium shows etc the account will have to be maintained in the UK so you can't change the account address. Otherwise there are companies that hold your Sky account for a fee of about 100chf per year.

6. Everyone in the car counts, children as well.

As a general rule I would suggest not posting your family salary on the internet, especially here.

Good luck with the move.
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Re: cost of living

TiMow

I thought the forum was to be able to ask what you required without judgement, I personally dont think the questions are strange as when people relocate there is the facility of taking all your belongings with you, therefore reusing what you have and not being wasteful is a good thing, I am not being miserly rather sensible!!

Q2, 3 and 4 are specifically so that i dont have to throw out perfectly ggod equipment.

Q.5 is a reasonable question.

Q.6 we have specific dietary requirements that are not accesible in CH.

Q.7 i only asked because you can buy them here for £1 and since I need at least 15 it would be easier to get them here seeing they ate £10-15 CHF each in CH.
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Re: cost of living

thankyou Brian and Jordan, oops I didn't realise that I shouldn't have put salary on....

so my question on the satellite dish wasn't as dumb as was thought. In UK we normally take our own set top box and assuming the new house has a dish we just plug in and we're done....
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thankyou Brian and Jordan, oops I didn't realise that I shouldn't have put salary on....

so my question on the satellite dish wasn't as dumb as was thought. In UK we normally take our own set top box and assuming the new house has a dish we just plug in and we're done....
You can post your salary, it is up to you. I believe Brian maybe alluding to fact it gets people irate on here. For some they would love a salary you are posting. But you have many mouths to feed. Some people are funny about money. I have never really understood it myself.

Yeah, you wont find dishes on the apartments here. For all the hassle, I think its best to go with local provider of cable.
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hi
moving to Basel in October, wil be earning 170K with 100k for 4 childrens private schooling. My questions are:

1 where and how much can we get a 4 bedroom house. i dont understand the 4.5 rooms bit.

2 if I bring my uk tv and skybox, will it work and do i need the satellite dish too, or do i plug in the aerial into the box?

3 are the telephone plug sockets the same, so in other words are uk phones going to work.

4 is the broadband wireless or plugged in via ethernet. if wireless should i bring sky or virgin router as i have both also have an old wireless router.

5 what is the equivalent of UK AA or greenflag car breakdown service.

6 as the red meat is half kg import p/p p/d what if the whole family goes shopping including children, or is it only for over 18's.

7 how much are 2 pin uk to european sockets?

sorry for the long list of questions, pls answer what you can
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Strange selection of Q's for someone that's going to be on a better package than the majority of Swiss.

Swiss plug sockets are different to Fr, De, It, etc. - there is no European standard - cut of your UK plug and re-wire A Swiss one at CHF1.20 a piece.

Surprise, surprise - phone sockets aren't the same as UK, but it is possible to buy phones here that work, as is routers, including that modern thing of wifi - sometimes they even come "free" from the provider.

Car breakdown is provided by TCS, ACS, or included in car insurance (but a bit hit and miss, so worth paying for).

One and a half rooms is usually living room and kitchen - all additional rooms should be bedrooms ..... lets just hope they have bathrooms and loos too. Crazy Swiss advertising.

If I recall, satellite TV, require satellite dishes and not aerials, in any country, including CH; and the satellites are far enough away that I think the same ones can be used from UK and CH. Cable's good.

Re. meat - on your salary, support the country that employs you/in which you live and buy Swiss, if you don't want to see the same happen here as has beset UK farmers ..... you can afford it.

Why is it that the people that earn well, seem the stingiest?

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I thought the forum was to be able to ask what you required without judgement, I personally dont think the questions are strange as when people relocate there is the facility of taking all your belongings with you, therefore reusing what you have and not being wasteful is a good thing, I am not being miserly rather sensible!!

Q2, 3 and 4 are specifically so that i dont have to throw out perfectly ggod equipment.

Q.5 is a reasonable question.

Q.6 we have specific dietary requirements that are not accesible in CH.

Q.7 i only asked because you can buy them here for £1 and since I need at least 15 it would be easier to get them here seeing they ate £10-15 CHF each in CH.
I was actually quite restrained and relatively helpful in my replies (EF search function sometimes works, as many similar threads and Q's have previously been posted).

Sky will work with a dish; your phones wont, even with an adapter; your router probably will - but, as most people find out, it is usually best to start afresh than try to adapt something that was designed to function in another country.

Q5 was a reasonable question, reasonably answered - but unless you're planning on bringing your right hooker from the UK, then you probably won't need it.

Without prying, I find it strange that any dietary requirement concerning meat (other than cost), can't be satisfied by buying Swiss - we have the same animals, I think.

Regarding electrical appliances, you'll find that in 2 or 3 plug sockets, you wont fit in more than one adapter - it is much easier to change the plug, or to use a UK extension block with a Swiss plug.

See .... very helpful - but after hundreds of "can I survive on double the salary as most Swiss" type questions, you'll have to accept some cynicism - you really can afford to start afresh.
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but after hundreds of "can I survive on double the salary as most Swiss" type questions, you'll have to accept some cynicism - you really can afford to start afresh.

See Shaa, you do get some bitterness to others success.

Don't worry, some seniors of the forums often get agitated with repeat questions, and newbies not fully understanding or utilizing the forums search functions for old posts and discussed topics.

We're not all grumpy

P.S. Dont buy Swiss cow, import much better! Surprising really given the whole cow affiliation, but, trust me!!
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See Shaa, you do get some bitterness to others success.

Don't worry, some seniors of the forums often get agitated with repeat questions, and newbies not fully understanding or utilizing the forums search functions for old posts and discussed topics.

We're not all grumpy

P.S. Dont buy Swiss cow, import much better! Surprising really given the whole cow affiliation, but, trust me!!
Success cannot just be measured by financial rewards .... after all - look at me - I don't even work.

I just find some peoples priorities a bit weird; and their dependence on strangers' advice a bit worrying.

Life is about logic, self reliance and common sense - from someone who has lived and worked in a few different locations (legally and not), before there were internet help forums to dumb us down.
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Success cannot just be measured by financial rewards .... after all - look at me - I don't even work.

I just find some peoples priorities a bit weird; and their dependence on strangers' advice a bit worrying.

Life is about logic, self reliance and common sense - from someone who has lived and worked in a few different locations (legally and not), before there were internet help forums to dumb us down.
Perhaps, but essentially, money sadly is what makes the world go round. it does not guarantee happiness but it certainly helps. Particularly in Switzerland. In anycase, I am sure it was not a gloating intention, merely a basis for suitable feedback.

I guess dependency on strangers advice can be deemed lazy. But why does it show a lack of common sense? Surely you could argue utilizing modern technology to gain a heads up is precisely the opposite. Just because you didn't need a forum, and I am sure the OP doesnt NEED the forum, but its here, and it helps.
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7. Erm....10-15CHF or thereabouts I think
Go to Amazon. You can find some much cheaper. Make sure you get ones that are for CH. Many are good for Europe, but won't function in CH.
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i think far from being lazy, I am being proactive, using technology and the advice of "strangers" rather then depend on my husband to navigate his way around his job as well as shopping, selecting internet/tv/phone and finding that most of our "gadgets" etc dont work, once we landed. i would rather take the kind assistance of all the forum members that are obviously in a better position to answer my queries then I am.

"Life is about logic, self reliance and common sense - from someone who has lived and worked in a few different locations (legally and not), before there were internet help forums to dumb us down"

Maybe, although I would beg to differ as at this moment I am using logic as well as common sense to navigate tricky areas without having to knock on strangers doors and ask questions with the language barrier to contend with. As for self reliance, hmmm! that is what this forum is for, I dont want to be thrown in the deep end.

Now I can happily donate all excess items to friends and family.
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Re: cost of living

2. Re Sky : if you want premium channels as stated best way is to keep you UK subscription going at your home address. If just want FreeSAT then you just need equipment as you have at home , plus a dish etc ( 80 cm is recommended) and the right bit in the middle ( LNB I think ?) . There is a good thread here on how to set one up, but make sure you get a place with a clear line of site to the the satellite ( I think this means you can direct it at andle 154, around pitch 28) and it is easy to set up comapared to the frightening quotes you get from people who focus on ex pats . you do not need any special equipment but a bit of patience helps

3. Telephone : Actually many phones from UK ( ours did 4 years ago) do work but it is not the main socket that plugs into Swiss wall but the much smaller plug can plug into many of the main box ( which plugs into the swiss wall) that get provided for internet etc

4. No idea if these branded touters should work , cannot really see why not, but ours was a UK router ( Netgear) that just plugged into provided box ( as above)

6. Good thinking : I think children get an allowance and meat here is very expensive : cannot see why you need to buy it at the inflated prices of CH and feel bad ( when many CH people do this and have no concern in doing so) , in terms of supporting the agri business here : you family will be paying tax here so I cannot see the problem of legitimate importation

but if you can think ahead , purchase dried and tinned UK things you love before travelling and send with furniture etc.

7. Swiss plug is different from continental : you can buy these but what we did was purchase multi socket converters in UK and then changed the main plug on these : hence providing 4 UK plus plugs available : saved a lot of time changing plugs over and avoided cutting off moulded plugs

All good and sensible questions :
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Regarding the car support question a number of insurers include roaside assist in insurance here for all of europe alternatively if you get a new car then the roadside asssist is with manufacturer
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moving to Basel in October, wil be earning 170K with 100k for 4 childrens private schooling. My questions are:

1 where and how much can we get a 4 bedroom house. i dont understand the 4.5 rooms bit.

2 if I bring my uk tv and skybox, will it work and do i need the satellite dish too, or do i plug in the aerial into the box?

3 are the telephone plug sockets the same, so in other words are uk phones going to work.

4 is the broadband wireless or plugged in via ethernet. if wireless should i bring sky or virgin router as i have both also have an old wireless router.

5 what is the equivalent of UK AA or greenflag car breakdown service.

6 as the red meat is half kg import p/p p/d what if the whole family goes shopping including children, or is it only for over 18's.

7 how much are 2 pin uk to european sockets?

sorry for the long list of questions, pls answer what you can
1. Swiss are funny in advertising property, they don't include the kitchen and bathroom/s in the numbers for some reason. So a 4.5 is a living/dining room (1.5) plus 3 bedrooms. For a 4 bedroom place you need to be looking for at least 5.5 or 6 (separate living & dining rooms). Also be aware that the total living space allowed to foreigners is 200m2.

2. Yes, Sky box will work here, but you may need a bigger dish and you'll need to either keep your subscription address in the UK or use a company who provides address services which cost around CHF200 a year over your Sky subscription costs. Also, if buying a new dish here make it very clear that you want one for Sky services and not the normal Swiss ones; I think it's a different LNB for picking up Sky and certainly a different satellite.

3. Not sure, we got new ones when we moved here, but that was 14 years ago so systems will have changed in that time.

4. Can be wireless or plugged as it feeds through the electricity system here I believe. There may be some deals from Swisscom or Cablecom which suit your needs and you might get a free router thrown in as well.

5. TCS is the biggest, but you may be able to get cover through your car insurance so worth asking them when you arrange it before joining one of the others. Also you will automatically be covered with a green card for travelling outside Switzerland when you get car insurance so don't have to pay extra for that like in UK.

6. I would think it includes everyone in the car regardless of age, but check with the customs people at the border when you cross. They'll know as that's the sort of thing they are on the outlook for. Iirc the meat allowance also includes any that is in things like meat pies as well so worth getting a definitive answer.

7. As mentioned Euro plugs aren't Swiss ones. I have to have an adapter for my German made bread making machine as the plug doesn't fit Swiss sockets. It's a hassle I know, but changing plugs over to Swiss ones will be the cheapest option and they're readily available at any diy store.
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6. Good thinking : I think children get an allowance and meat here is very expensive : cannot see why you need to buy it at the inflated prices of CH and feel bad ( when many CH people do this and have no concern in doing so) , in terms of supporting the agri business here : you family will be paying tax here so I cannot see the problem of legitimate importation

but if you can think ahead , purchase dried and tinned UK things you love before travelling and send with furniture etc.
The reason he should buy in Switzerland is to allow other people, shop assistants, builders etc to receive a salary they can live on, in order for the OP to receive his far larger salary.
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3 are the telephone plug sockets the same, so in other words are uk phones going to work.

4 is the broadband wireless or plugged in via ethernet. if wireless should i bring sky or virgin router as i have both also have an old wireless router.
3 UK phones certainly work in CH but the socket is different so you will need to buy an adapter or a replacement phone cable (you can get them here in electrical stores or DIY stores).

4 Broadband can be wireless or ethernet depending on the provider and the router, your routers might work here or they might not, there are a few different standards and technology (ADSL2+, VDSL, cable) both in the UK and here so it's hard to say without knowing exactly what standards the routers you have support and what provider you will choose here in CH.

I was able to re-use my UK DSL modem here in CH without problems.
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