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Old 23.08.2012, 17:58
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Re: Protecting Non-smokers - Referendum Sep 23, 2012

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Do I know you? Do you know me? No, I thought not. I guess it`s time to change my avatar, huh? I just so liked that painting.........
To be fair to Mirfield, you have mentioned in a few posts that you smoke.

Although if you did smoke a lot, you'd probably look more like the lady below rather than the one in your avatar:

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About "why object to the labeling?"

Because people like you mix up the technologies being used & with no scientific backing turn "GM" & similar technologies into an ogre.

As a matter of interest can you quote an example of "Grown foods containing in their seeds pesticides/herbicides?"
Juslaaik, but some folk are just too dumb for words!
Are you looking forward to eating your genetically modified foods?
Do you believe it is a good thing for seeds to be sterile?
Do you believe it is healthy for seeds to contain "built-in" pesticides?
Do you enjoy irradiated vegetables and fruits?
Do actually believe you are "feeding" your body?
Are you overweight and always hungry?
Do you have aches in your joints?
Are you taking medications for high blood pressure cholesterol?
If I`ve missed anything, you can add that, just for interest.

Darl, if you don`t know what is going on in real life .... you can simply Google the info.
While at it, also Google info on "fracking" for gas in America, I would be most relieved to learn that it`s just a conspiracy, and nothing to be concerned about. Thanks.

I`m too busy trying to figure out how to change my avatar ... being a miserable hysterical old trolling git with very little knowledge, that is about my bag for today.

Happy Googling.
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To be fair to Mirfield, you have mentioned in a few posts that you smoke.

Although if you did smoke a lot, you'd probably look more like the lady below rather than the one in your avatar:


Ewwww sun exposure is a biatch
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To be fair to Mirfield, you have mentioned in a few posts that you smoke.

Although if you did smoke a lot, you'd probably look more like the lady below rather than the one in your avatar:

Now .... WHERE did you manage to find my photo? That is a very old one, from about 20 years ago - I`m much improved now ... with age, you know?... Like wine....... well not really like wine, cause I`ve tasted some really awful old wine - so that`s a falacy, just like everything else here.
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Ewwww sun exposure is a biatch
No, not sun exposure ...... t`was my home-made face creams!
Well, at least they were cheap, and not made by some money-grabbing charlatan!

Anyone interested in buying some - they contain Formaldeyde, good for preserving flesh. And then you combine daily applications with lots of alcohol - also good for preservation purposes.
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Re: Protecting Non-smokers - Referendum Sep 23, 2012

It is certainly proven that second-hand smoke is dangerous. The amount must be more than just a whiff, which is why the complete ban is not supported by health risks. However, there should be a ban within 30 meters of air intake locations for buildings, especially where people work or children live.
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Re: Protecting Non-smokers - Referendum Sep 23, 2012

So now the SVP have decided to oppose the extension of the smoking ban. Yeah I know, I usually stand up for their freedom of choice angle, but not this time. I fail to see any political view on this one, although they'll argue "less state".

Sorry SVP, you're out of line on this one, this isn't about politics, it's about health, so butt out of this and let the good voting public choose how clean they'd like their air in eateries.
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Old 28.08.2012, 09:11
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So now the SVP have decided to oppose the extension of the smoking ban. Yeah I know, I usually stand up for their freedom of choice angle, but not this time. I fail to see any political view on this one, although they'll argue "less state".

Sorry SVP, you're out of line on this one, this isn't about politics, it's about health, so butt out of this and let the good voting public choose how clean they'd like their air in eateries.
It just is a rough guess, but I suppose that the top-guns of the SVP in fact ARE smokers
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Old 28.08.2012, 09:12
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It just is a rough guess, but I suppose that the top-guns of the SVP in fact ARE smokers
Or, like me, they are non-smokers who detest the nanny-state!

Tom
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Old 28.08.2012, 09:30
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Or, like me, they are non-smokers who detest the nanny-state!

Tom
Out of curiosity, what is your idea of the opposite of a Nanny State?

Would you consider possibly a country like Somalia? as a non nanny state?
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Old 28.08.2012, 09:39
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Would you consider possibly a country like Somalia? as a non nanny state?
I don't think that Somalia's demographics allows anyone to actually reach the age of being a grandparent ...
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Sorry SVP, you're out of line on this one, this isn't about politics, it's about health, so butt out of this and let the good voting public choose how clean they'd like their air in eateries.
OK, so now I'm confused - I thought restaurants and bars were all smoke free already. I know there are a few exceptions but, on the whole, I thought this ruling was already home and dry?

I thought this initiative was just an extension of this established law, further banning smoking in bus shelters, hospital grounds, etc.
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Old 28.08.2012, 09:50
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Re: Protecting Non-smokers - Referendum Sep 23, 2012

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OK, so now I'm confused - I thought restaurants and bars were all smoke free already. I know there are a few exceptions but, on the whole, I thought this ruling was already home and dry?

I thought this initiative was just an extension of this established law, further banning smoking in bus shelters, hospital grounds, etc.
In the Canton of Zürich and many other cantons with Cantonal bans, restaurants and bars ARE smoke-free, but in those Cantons with only the Federal law, small places in many cases are smokers places. The idea of the new law proposal is to liquidate this practice. This is a good idea even if it is a pity that the Fumoirs will die.
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I don't think that Somalia's demographics allows anyone to actually reach the age of being a grandparent ...
age of consent is 16, and life expectancy is 50... I'm sure there are a few granny's around.

tho Nanny ( A nanny, childminder, child care provider, or a mother's helper is an individual who provides care for one or more children in a family as a service. Traditionally, nannies were servants in large households and reported directly to the lady of the house.) ~wiki

and Nanny State ( a term of British origin (and primary use) that conveys a view that a government or its policies are overprotective or interfering unduly with personal choice)~wiki

is not usually a granny. LOL
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In the Canton of Zürich and many other cantons with Cantonal bans, restaurants and bars ARE smoke-free, but in those Cantons with only the Federal law, small places in many cases are smokers places. The idea of the new law proposal is to liquidate this practice. This is a good idea even if it is a pity that the Fumoirs will die.
I wonder if in practice, assuming the law/movement/current fad comes into play, this pans out like some of the smaller remote village type establishments in the UK whereby when the odd person (you're not from around here are you) pops into said place and does have an issue with the locals, who support the majority of the business, doing their thing that they say like it or lump it, on the basis if and when a fine arrives the locals all chip into pay for it.
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Re: Protecting Non-smokers - Referendum Sep 23, 2012

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In the Canton of Zürich and many other cantons with Cantonal bans, restaurants and bars ARE smoke-free, but in those Cantons with only the Federal law, small places in many cases are smokers places. The idea of the new law proposal is to liquidate this practice. This is a good idea even if it is a pity that the Fumoirs will die.
There are plenty of non smoking bars now, why do they have to kill off the remaining smokers bars? Why is that a good thing? They don't even go to the exisiting non smoking ones, it's not a question of choice.
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There are plenty of non smoking bars now, why do they have to kill off the remaining smokers bars? Why is that a good thing? They don't even go to the exisiting non smoking ones, it's not a question of choice.
Exactly! I still fail to see how or why the state should interfere with personal choices, when it has already established a "clean air" policy for those wishing it?

Banning smoking in the open is going to make life very difficult for those without a choice as well. I`m thinking of a person who, after a traumatic accident, had their leg amputated - a smoker - who would manouvre his wheel-chair outdoors to go have an occasional smoke - far away, in a designated smoking area in the gardens. Being banned from smoking outdoors in hospital grounds? What choice does that offer to those who never asked to be put in that position?

Non-smokers are reminding me more of "super-religious" people - with zero tolerance for the foibles of the "lesser" folk. "You will all be like ME, or suffer the consequences!"
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In the Canton of Zürich and many other cantons with Cantonal bans, restaurants and bars ARE smoke-free, but in those Cantons with only the Federal law, small places in many cases are smokers places. The idea of the new law proposal is to liquidate this practice. This is a good idea even if it is a pity that the Fumoirs will die.
Here`s a question - Is smoking allowed inside Bordellos? Or is that a "private" house? They sell alcohol ... and rent out women ........?
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Exactly! I still fail to see how or why the state should interfere with personal choices, when it has already established a "clean air" policy for those wishing it?

Banning smoking in the open is going to make life very difficult for those without a choice as well. I`m thinking of a person who, after a traumatic accident, had their leg amputated - a smoker - who would manouvre his wheel-chair outdoors to go have an occasional smoke - far away, in a designated smoking area in the gardens. Being banned from smoking outdoors in hospital grounds? What choice does that offer to those who never asked to be put in that position?

Non-smokers are reminding me more of "super-religious" people - with zero tolerance for the foibles of the "lesser" folk. "You will all be like ME, or suffer the consequences!"
The problem is the people are basically stupid and there come a time, as with seat belts, motorcycle helmet and now smoking where the state has to enforce sense.

What was it Chalton Heston used to say about guns? I suppose the smokers version is "Out of my cold yellow fingers..."
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It is certainly proven that second-hand smoke is dangerous. The amount must be more than just a whiff, which is why the complete ban is not supported by health risks. However, there should be a ban within 30 meters of air intake locations for buildings, especially where people work or children live.

About "It is certainly proven that second-hand smoke is dangerous."

Do you have a link to this proof?
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